The concept being his works

[God's agent]

First off, as a disclaimer, this might be my first and last post seeing as people are being banned for speaking their minds. I have no problem with being banned or restricted since my objective is to try to link life and afterlife together.

God is the almighty one who has graciously given us life and free will. But was free will a great idea. If he wanted people to enter in his doorway into heaven then we would have all been under the rule of one person or holy being in his case. So why would he give us free will then if he knew that there would be some who would either rebell or stray away from him.
Well everything in life needs a balance which is why there is a Satan and there is a god since without good we can't have evil and without evil there is no good. If one can't have the other then the world would be in utter chaos since evil fuels our ambitions to better ourselves through the need of greed and competition. The goodness in our hearts allows us to show kindness and in turn is an extention of how much God loves us. If we are all judged by our purity neglecting redemption then we would all be unpure which in turn deems us unfit to go to heaven. So there is no one pure person since even Jesus disobeyed his parents when he was born.
This evil or imputity is fueled by our free will. But then, why blame the devil for temptation if we are endowed with the power to make a choice? The answer is that most of us fear our shortcomings. Instead of saying we gave in to the devil's good tastes we say that the devil tempted me. Now taking the free will concept we can say that since our free will causes all of these problems then we can say that in a way free will is evil. Since free will was given to us by God, does that mean that God sinned accidently? To answer that question no he didn't. The philosopical concept of life is that we are surrounded by good and evil.
So why does God send us to this world first and then when we go to our gravebeds we await final judgement then. My only logical answer is that God sent us here as a test of not only loyality but also to test if we can live in a world where everything is balanced. But as the years pass evil is growing. Even if evil is growing good is battling that much harder to drive the evil away. So in short, it is choice that will truly decide our passage to heaven. If we remain loyal with the lord he will grant us eternal paradise. But I don't care where I end up as long as I can do some good in this world.

Well now that I have typed up a long explanation, feel free to critcize me on my views and credibility of what I claim. God has commanded me, even though I was going to do this anyway, to speak my tongue for it is the strongest weapon againest evil. Yes I'm expecting a ban or a restriction since so far your views and the views of most of the members seems to not be on the same page. So statistically I expect the same thing to happen to me. The only purpose of me typing this is to stir some possible questions about the concept of life, afterlife, and free will.

[ForGodsSake]

Re: The concept being his works

In the beginning there was no evil, there was no need for a balance cause was none. Satan only became Satan when he deceived Eve into eating of the tree of knowledge (Its her fault then that we are in this mess now)

Then freewill and sin entered into the world.

Remaining loyal to GOD under a great tribulation a fine example , read Job

[God's agent]

Re: The concept being his works

I suppose but even if that is the fact God could easily drive the evil away from us. But as I have stated he lets evil run rampant as a test of our wills. Otherwise, he could just enter the depths of hell and execute satan once and for all. But in any case free will is dangerous or helpful depending on who you claim to be.

[ForGodsSake]

Re: The concept being his works

It is a test, yes, but if you read Job you will understand this, that satan went to the heavens before GOD and said, that he (satan) could get Job to turn against God if all was taken away from him. But Job did not. So this is a greater part of that test. satan has challenged GOD that everyone would leave GODS for the greater evil, which material things here on earth amongst other things. If God had gone down and swiped satan of the face of the earth after the initial challenge then what would that have looked like in the eye's of the people living at that time. They would have said "Hey maybe satan had a point, could he have won that challenge. So God in all his Wisdom has left this answer to be revealed soon. It has been Proven that us humans can not live without the peace and love of our Lord JESUS. Soon god will smite satan and his demons and all that follow him, because it has been enough time now for us to know that satan has lost that challenge.

[Sister Noddy]

Re: The concept being his works

First off, as a disclaimer ...

There are some problems with your post, Mr Agent. Let me try to fix it up for you ...

You wrote ...

God is the almighty one who has graciously given us life ...

... true, but not much else of what you have to say is Biblical ...

Here, you wrote ...

Well everything in life needs a balance which is why there is a Satan and there is a god since without good we can't have evil and without evil there is no good ...

Try this instead ...

Leviticus 10:10 And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean

You wrote ...

If one can't have the other then the world would be in utter chaos since evil fuels our ambitions to better ourselves through the need of greed and competition.

The goodness in our hearts allows us to show kindness and in turn is an extention of how much God loves us. If we are all judged by our purity neglecting redemption then we would all be unpure which in turn deems us unfit to go to heaven. So there is no one pure person since even Jesus disobeyed his parents when he was born.

This evil or imputity is fueled by our free will. But then, why blame the devil for temptation if we are endowed with the power to make a choice? The answer is that most of us fear our shortcomings. Instead of saying we gave in to the devil's good tastes we say that the devil tempted me.

Now taking the free will concept we can say that since our free will causes all of these problems then we can say that in a way free will is evil. Since free will was given to us by God, does that mean that God sinned accidently? To answer that question no he didn't. The philosopical concept of life is that we are surrounded by good and evil.

Try this instead ...

Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies

You wrote ...

So why does God send us to this world first and then when we go to our gravebeds we await final judgement then. My only logical answer is that God sent us here as a test of not only loyality but also to test if we can live in a world where everything is balanced. But as the years pass evil is growing.

Try this instead ...

Proverbs 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil

You wrote ....

Even if evil is growing good is battling that much harder to drive the evil away. So in short, it is choice that will truly decide our passage to heaven. If we remain loyal with the lord he will grant us eternal paradise. But I don't care where I end up as long as I can do some good in this world.

The only purpose of me typing this is to stir some possible questions about the concept of life, afterlife, and free will.

Try this instead ...

GOD doesn't want your philosophies. This is not a philosophy forum, this is a Christian forum and we are True Christian™ Baptists who follow the whole Bible literally ...

GOD doesn't care about your concepts of life, afterlife and free will. He wants you to obey Him and His word. If you don't, you will go to Hell when you die, and you really don't want that to happen to you, do you ...

Blessings, Sister Noddy

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: The concept being his works

God's Agent: "But as I have stated he lets evil run rampant as a test of our wills."

Yes, just as a good father lets a murderous rapist live in his house and torment his children. Isn't such a father a good one? He is letting evil test his childrens' wills, just as you write.

Of course, most God-hating atheists would condemn such a father as an evil bastard who deserves prison. But that is exactly the God you envision.

God's Agent: "...since without good we can't have evil and without evil there is no good."

Wrong. That is a very old but very silly lie. Consider: Will there be good in Heaven? Of course, for it is the realm of joy and love. Will there be evil in Heaven? No, of course not. Ergo: God has already designed a place in where there is good but no evil.

The reason that nonsensical old chant exists -- "you can't have good without evil, so neener neener neener" -- is because certain limp-brained theologians can't think of any other way to explain why evil does exist.

God Himself works evil. He infects children with bilharzia, and entombs living people in hot volcanic ash. He does these things, just as Sister Noddy in her wisdom wrote. There is no other explanation.

That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Isaiah 45:6,7

There is none other but the Lord to truly create evil. Satan in not creative, and can do nothing but work God's will. God creates cancer, and war, and tornadoes. There is none who can defy His will.

God is also unfathomable. Read 1 Corinthians 1.

For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

God has His reasons, unfathomable to man. You blaspheme by pretending to understand His reasons for tormenting mankind, for He is unknowable. We cannot know why He inflicts evil; perhaps He just enjoys it.

Don't pretend to more wisdom than you have. You do not know God's mind, and you hold very foolish beliefs.

~~ OEJ

[JennyD]

Re: The concept being his works

First off, as a disclaimer, this might be my first and last post seeing as people are being banned for speaking their minds. I have no problem with being banned or restricted since my objective is to try to link life and afterlife together.

Clearly, you're not God's literary agent, as they can usually write.

If you'd read through this forum as much as you suggest, you'd see that the people who get banned are those who persist in vulgarity, mindless jabbering, and other troll-like behavior. Also, those under 18 years of age are banned, as children are not allowed. (Our lawyers say that some parts of God's Word are "too mature" for children to read.)

So, as long as you discuss with us instead of shouting at and insulting us, and are mindful of the fact that you are a guest on this forum, you should not find yourself banned. OK?

Our purpose here is to share God's Word in its entirety, that you may know the joy of Jesus' love. Doesn't that sound nice?