[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Electric dog collar för my disobedient wife

You are openly discussing the commission of a crime (domestic abuse/child abuse). I think as a member of society, I have a right to comment on such deplorable suggestions.

Don't be silly. The U.S. Supreme Court decided once and for all that your facts are irrelevant when it comes to our sincerely held religious beliefs. Besides, when it is understood that a female employee's uterus is appropriately cared for under the auspices of her employer, how much more is her entire body appropriately cared for when it is the rightful property of the LORD (1 Corinthians 6:19)? When the Holy Word tells us that the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the church (Ephesians 5:23), then we can rest assured our True Christian™ husbands will treat us in an appropriate (read, Biblically sanctioned) manner, and the laws of the land will protect us.

So, thank you for your opinion, but we'll stick with the Word of God and the United States Supreme Court on this one. Thanks.

[MWTLeadership]

Re: Electric dog collar för my disobedient wife

Don't be silly. The U.S. Supreme Court decided once and for all that your facts are irrelevant when it comes to our sincerely held religious beliefs. Besides, when it is understood that a female employee's uterus is appropriately cared for under the auspices of her employer, how much more is her entire body appropriately cared for when it is the rightful property of the LORD (1 Corinthians 6:19)? When the Holy Word tells us that the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the church (Ephesians 5:23), then we can rest assured our True Christian™ husbands will treat us in an appropriate (read, Biblically sanctioned) manner, and the laws of the land will protect us.

So, thank you for your opinion, but we'll stick with the Word of God and the United States Supreme Court on this one. Thanks.

Could you please identify the specific Supreme Court case that you're referencing, which allegedly provides an individual the right to cruelly abuse woman and children for religious reasons?

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Electric dog collar för my disobedient wife

Could you please identify the specific Supreme Court case that you're referencing, which allegedly provides an individual the right to cruelly abuse woman and children for religious reasons?

Proverbs 13:24
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

So we have a child hater in our midst?

YIC

Jack

[MWTLeadership]

Re: Electric dog collar för my disobedient wife

Proverbs 13:24
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

So we have a child hater in our midst?

YIC

Jack

Spanking is one thing. We're talking about the use of electric collars on human beings. Are you suggesting that a "rod" can be interpreted as the use of an electrical shock to discipline a child? Could you quote a relevant argument next time? Nice try...

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Electric dog collar för my disobedient wife

Spanking is one thing. We're talking about the use of electric collars on human beings. Are you suggesting that a "rod" can be interpreted as the use of an electrical shock to discipline a child? Could you quote a relevant argument next time? Nice try...

A rod is an implement that causes pain and shock to correct behaviour. As an electric collar is.

YIC

Jack

[MWTLeadership]

Re: Electric dog collar för my disobedient wife

A rod is an implement that causes pain and shock to correct behaviour. As an electric collar is.

YIC

Jack

You are using two different definitions for the word "shock". You are a complete mormon.

In fact, you are all idiots, and yes, frauds. I'll agree with the mainstream religious leaders that try to shut down this site and think you are all going to hell, because if there is a hell, that is EXACTLY where you are all headed.

I'm done on this site. If you spend too long arguing with crazy people, others will just assume that you are insane, too.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Electric dog collar för my disobedient wife

You are a fool.

Proverbs 26:3
A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back.

YIC

Jack

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Electric dog collar för my disobedient wife

It's a shame that such a literal interpretation of the Holy Scripture would lead anyone to believe..

Of course, a literal reading is not an interpretation but what is important here is what God teaches us. Wives are to be frightened of their husbands. MWTL claims to have stopped posting, but eternity is at stake and there are other readers. Turn with me to The New Testament:

I PETER
3:1-2 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
KJV .. look up . context

Now to me that seems pretty straightforward. But let's try "interpreting" the passage anyhow; just by way of illustration I have underlined a couple of words:

subjection ·· What type of subjugation is God commanding here? I suppose I could include a dictionary definition v.i. but that is hardly necessary because God is really very explicit here. This subjection is subjugation causing fear. Is it a special magic fear? No.

fear ·· So a special magic fear? Of course not. This is the type of fear brought on by being in subjection to another person. Perhaps like a criminal is frightened of the policeman or the gazelle of a lion. Seems like the fear we're all familiar with to me. As wives we are to be frightened of our husbands. There is a dictionary definition included for this word too.

That is the Biblical standard.

that this type of behavior is acceptable. I honor and respect the women in my life.

Still in The New Testament

I TIMOTHY
2:13-14 Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
KJV .. look up . context

And continuing with the "interpretation" effort:

transgression ·· Adam's sin was not being deceived, it was listening to his wife (who had not been given a name at that stage). God is quite clear that the woman was in transgression; a dictionary definition is appended. Since there was no society—only one man existed—the offence here is against a moral principle. This woman did not do as she was told. And who told her? Adam. She had not even been created when God told her husband what not to do.

To me this makes perfect sense. God is always consistent and although there aren't degrees of consistency—either one is consistent or one is not—on this point we can be very certain indeed.

How dare anyone suggest that this is anything but domestic abuse.

This is not "domestic abuse" but God's Justice in action.
Suggesting otherwise is a condemnation to HELL. FOREVER.

Now that really is abusive.

• http://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/subjection
• http://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/fear (noun)
• http://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/transgression

[Des]

Re: Electric dog collar för my disobedient wife

Spanking is one thing. We're talking about the use of electric collars on human beings. Are you suggesting that a "rod" can be interpreted as the use of an electrical shock to discipline a child? Could you quote a relevant argument next time? Nice try...

The shock collar was developed from the cattle or stock prod. The cattle prod was developed from the prod, a simple rod used to goad creatures.
In essence then, the shock collar is nothing more than a modernized rod. Nice fail...

[Alvin Moss]

Re: Electric dog collar för my disobedient wife

You are a complete mormon.

In fact, you are all idiots...(other insults, etc.)

You are very cruel.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Electric dog collar för my disobedient wife

The shock collar was developed from the cattle or stock prod. The cattle prod was developed from the prod, a simple rod used to goad creatures.
In essence then, the shock collar is nothing more than a modernized rod.

Jesus is God. When He fulfilled His promise to Abraham that The Israelites would inherit very specific acreage there were heathens galore, vile, idolatrous and deserving only of death. Cattle included:

DEUTERONOMY 20
1 When thou goest out to battle against thine enemies, and seest horses, and chariots, and a people more than thou, be not afraid of them: for the LORD thy God is with thee, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

There they were, temple prostituting. burning incense to fish gods, murdering and raping but God knew all about that and God knew what to do. A proclamation of peace.

10 When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.

Well what temple prostitute is interested in peace? She needs a hero. She's holding out for a hero till the end of the night, he's gotta be strong and he's gotta be fast and he's gotta be fresh from the fight. Under such circumstances peace is impossible. And God knew what to do.

12-13 ..if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword

Hero central. But there is a second category. God is very explicit. There is no doubt what is included in this second category:

14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.

Should all such cities be so traeted? God knew what to do:

15-17a Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations. But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them

Recall that the men were already destroyed in every case. No further mention of men. Only of things. God is always consistent.

Certain trees are exempt and I am not suggesting that trees are livestock—after all men cannot breed with trees—but the categories are made very plain here. Women are not men and men are not cattle. Methods for controlling men are not the same as methods for controlling livestock of any genus and divers species are specified. By God. Distinct from men. I'm glad that my Redeemer liveth.

18 That they [males are exterminated at each & every opportunity, trollops seek heroes, all heathen women are trollops] teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God.
19 When thou shalt besiege a city a long time, in making war against it to take it, thou shalt not destroy the trees thereof by forcing an axe against them: for thou mayest eat of them, and thou shalt not cut them down (for the tree of the field is man's life) to employ them in the siege:
20 Only the trees which thou knowest that they be not trees for meat, thou shalt destroy and cut them down; and thou shalt build bulwarks against the city that maketh war with thee, until it be subdued.
KJV .. context

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[Witch Hammer]

Re: Electric dog collar för my disobedient wife

Spanking is one thing. We're talking about the use of electric collars on human beings. Are you suggesting that a "rod" can be interpreted as the use of an electrical shock to discipline a child? Could you quote a relevant argument next time? Nice try...

Are you totally insane? You don't even know what you're talking about! Clubbing idiot children and women the old fashioned way drives the devil out roughly 95% of the time, which is not a bad ratio at all! However, the Lord is not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9.

Are you suggesting that it is right for us to allow that 5% to fall through the cracks into an everlasting inferno, just because secular douche-bags like you quail at the notion of employing high voltage in order to win more souls for Jesus? YOU SICKEN ME, YOU SADISTIC SCUM!!

[manismyruler]

Re: Electric dog collar för my disobedient wife

I am sorry to have angered you, sir. I know your are a very learned Christian man and I humble myself before you. I will study my King James. I know I could learn much from you. What is the best advice you could give me as a future Christian wife. My fiancée said my only true purpose is to be seeded and bear sons. Please pray that I am able to fulfill my fiancées wishes. Bless you.

[Dagda]

Re: Electric dog collar för my disobedient wife

I am sorry to have angered you, sir. I know your are a very learned Christian man and I humble myself before you. I will study my King James. I know I could learn much from you. What is the best advice you could give me as a future Christian wife. My fiancée said my only true purpose is to be seeded and bear sons. Please pray that I am able to fulfill my fiancées wishes. Bless you.

Please don't let these people talk you in to being abused....This is crazy. I love my wife and never would lay a hand on her. I hope if your husband uses or beats you that you turn him in. I feel sorry for you....

[Des]

Re: Electric dog collar för my disobedient wife

Please don't let these people talk you in to being abused....

Who said anything about abuse? We're talking Christian Domestic Discipline here and a man's duty to his wife.

I love my wife and never would lay a hand on her.

You contradict yourself, sir.

I hope if your husband uses or beats you that you turn him in.

Turn him into what? Are you a closet fag or something?

I feel sorry for you....

I feel sorry for any woman with a closet fudge packer for a husband.