[TC Patriot]

Re: Pray for this RETARD to die!

Mr. Goldman, deep down you know there is no Scripture to justify your beliefs that handicapped people are going to burn in Hell just for being handicapped. Yes sometimes God punishes people in life (or uses tragedy to wisen them up and accept Christ as He did with me), but where do you draw the conclusion that all handicapped people are hated by God?

Your quote is also out of context (as usual).

Romans 9
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Yes, God does have control over us. And yes he made handicapped people that way for a reason.

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

Now herein lies the problem with your Scripture twisting. You are trying to claim that what Paul is saying here implies that handicapped people are endured with longsuffering because God hates them.

But that would logically entail that anyone who suffers would mean that God hates them. Does that mean every person who gets cancer is hated by God? Everyone who ever gets in a car accident? Are you so bold to claim that you've led a perfect life with nary an incident of misfortune?

Besides, a careful look at the Scripture reveals that God does not hate these people (nor damn them). He does it to "show his wrath" and "make his power known". Nowhere does Paul say that those who suffer his wrath are going to be damned to Hell. Using my life's tragedy, indeed God did show me his wrath and made his power known. And look where it brought me? It made me Saved! I am now a Christian.

Some people whom God loveth he chastizeth because they sin but others who are born all screwed up God hated form the get go. The Bible is clear on that.

[TC Patriot]

Re: Pray for this RETARD to die!

He's probably just using the sign language symbol for "I love you", but you can't see his thumb, so who knows. Sign language has the thumb out, while the satanic gesture uses the thumb to hold the other 2 fingers. Its a subtle but important difference.

That is the same demonic gesture you LIEbrul drug freaks make at the Ozzy Osbourne concerts as you pay homage to you prince of darkness.

His gesture is saying that he loves this guy and not this guy .

[James Hutchins]

Re: Pray for this RETARD to die!

Wally, Wally Wally, how can you have such filthy glasses. You do not seem like a complete moron so think for a moment. As you know, God is all powerful and can e merciful or incredibly damning and cruel. There are a lot of retards in the world, right? Why do you think this is? Did God make this abominations to force man to rise up above obstacles? Or did he do it to punish?

What can be accomplished if the point was to overcome the disability? I have never heard of a retard being a truly productive member of society (WalMart greeter is not a productive position). Mostly, these slabs of jellified flesh just consume resources better used by those that could honestly appreciate them. You know many people have to give up worthwhile lives to tend to the care and feeding of these beings. You know deep down in your heart, all we really need is a few few of these people in zoos, where the keepers could take care of a few retards as part of the daily routine there nd people could enjoy the retard antics.

The real reason these creatures are here is a punishment. Often a punishment for a sin of a parent, grandparent, brother or sister, these mistakes are intended to be a burden. The problem is, society seems to often take on the responsibility of the burden, which is completely wrong. If some skanky whore boozes it up, snorting crank and crack fornicating with anything that will fit, these retards can be the result. Gods intention was to burden the whore with the retard, to show her the evilness of her ways. Either she cares for it or goes to jail for neglect. A pretty good 'life on earth' punishment. Unfortunately, 'kindly people' get involved, make sure the mistake is cared for and therefore the rest of the honest hard working society has to take care of the failure. We end up being punished. This is not Gods will and is grossly incorrect. I do not care how pure a True Christian™ life you have led. You get involved with one of these errors and you will be damned to Hell for all eternity.

God gave us life. He intended for the stongest to rise to the top of the human world and he intended for the weakest to be destroyed. Please Wally, I beg of you, do not go against God's will, it just is not natural.

[Wally's World]

Re: Pray for this RETARD to die!

Mr. Goldman, deep down you know there is no Scripture to justify your beliefs that handicapped people are going to burn in Hell just for being handicapped. Yes sometimes God punishes people in life (or uses tragedy to wisen them up and accept Christ as He did with me), but where do you draw the conclusion that all handicapped people are hated by God?

Your quote is also out of context (as usual).

Romans 9
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Yes, God does have control over us. And yes he made handicapped people that way for a reason.

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

Now herein lies the problem with your Scripture twisting. You are trying to claim that what Paul is saying here implies that handicapped people are endured with longsuffering because God hates them.

But that would logically entail that anyone who suffers would mean that God hates them. Does that mean every person who gets cancer is hated by God? Everyone who ever gets in a car accident? Are you so bold to claim that you've led a perfect life with nary an incident of misfortune?

Besides, a careful look at the Scripture reveals that God does not hate these people (nor damn them). He does it to "show his wrath" and "make his power known". Nowhere does Paul say that those who suffer his wrath are going to be damned to Hell. Using my life's tragedy, indeed God did show me his wrath and made his power known. And look where it brought me? It made me Saved! I am now a Christian.

[David Goldman]

Re: Pray for this RETARD to die!

I honestly cannot believe what I am reading here! This is supposed to be a Christian forum? That poor man is in a wheelchair and you want to damn him to Hell?

Nope -- God does. And who are you to question God?

Romans 9:

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

I also recommend Job chapters 38, 39 and 40 regarding those who would demand explanations from God. Job tried it and it didn't work out so well for him. He finally wised up in Job 40:4-5

4 Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.
5 Once have I spoken; but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further.

That might be a good signature for you

[Wally's World]

Re: Pray for this RETARD to die!

I honestly cannot believe what I am reading here! This is supposed to be a Christian forum? That poor man is in a wheelchair and you want to damn him to Hell? Also, Heathen Basher is grossly twisting Scripture around to justify these evil thoughts.

Ex.4:11
Who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

Of course the Lord makes people handicapped. He makes everybody. But where does it say that it's meant as a punishment or handicapped people will go to Hell?

Leviticus 21:18-24

For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,
Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;
No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire:

This just says handicapped people cannot approach the alter to make an offering. It doesn't say they are damned.

he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God.
He shall eat the bread of his God, both of the most holy, and of the holy.

The handicapped still eat the bread of God, just not in the temple.

Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries: for I the LORD do sanctify them.
And Moses told it unto Aaron, and to his sons, and unto all the children of Israel.

Hebron the "Godmocker" is completely right in his rebuke on this. This about priestly duties and does not condemn anyone to Hell.

You are being a Scripture-twister.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Pray for this RETARD to die!

I believe this passage only applies to Levites in the carrying out of his priestly duties. It does not apply to others. Nor does it condemn anyone to hell, especially boys like in this picture. In fact, Jesus had compassion on those who were afflicted.

Ex.4:11
Who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Pray for this RETARD to die!

He's probably just using the sign language symbol for "I love you", but you can't see his thumb, so who knows. Sign language has the thumb out, while the satanic gesture uses the thumb to hold the other 2 fingers. Its a subtle but important difference.

Actually, no, there isn't a difference.


The "El Diablo" hand sign often is con-fused with the deaf hand signal of the phrase, "I love you." While at first this appears an odd resemblance, we register an "ahh, I get it!" emotion when we discover that the person who invented, or created, the hand sign system for the deaf, Helen Keller, was herself an occultist and Theosophist. Did Keller purposely design the deaf's "I love you" sign to be such a remarkable imitation of the classic sign of Satan? Was Keller saying, basically, "I love you, Devil?" —Texe Marrs (See CODEX MAGICA).

More information about this satanic symbol here: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False...s_of_satan.htm

(and the music is sure to stay in your head all day )

[hebron the Godmocker]

Re: Pray for this RETARD to die!

You could have gone here and introduced yourself and asked your question about this thread.

Then, there's your method of crashing into a site and going on the attack. It's probably less effective, but certainly more entertaining.

The answer to the question you seek is found in Leviticus 21:18-24

For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,
Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;
No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God.
He shall eat the bread of his God, both of the most holy, and of the holy.
Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries: for I the LORD do sanctify them.
And Moses told it unto Aaron, and to his sons, and unto all the children of Israel.


We follow every word.

I believe this passage only applies to Levites in the carrying out of his priestly duties. It does not apply to others. Nor does it condemn anyone to hell, especially boys like in this picture. In fact, Jesus had compassion on those who were afflicted.

[Jake Botamus]

Re: Pray for this RETARD to die!

I'd lie if I said I feel sorry for this person because of his physical disability.
I will not be praying, but WISHING for him to die a slow death.
Son of Satan, rot in the deep caverns of hell.

[hebron the Godmocker]

Re: Pray for this RETARD to die!

He is shamelessly mocking Jesus! He has the flames of hell painted on his tard-mobile and there is a demonic image responding to his satanic hand signal.

Pray this fat nasty piece of unsalvageable trash into hell for so shamelessly mocking our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. BURN DEMON! BURN IN THE FIRES OF HELL!

He's probably just using the sign language symbol for "I love you", but you can't see his thumb, so who knows. Sign language has the thumb out, while the satanic gesture uses the thumb to hold the other 2 fingers. Its a subtle but important difference.

[SA Child of God]

Re: Pray for this RETARD to die!

Do you ever pray for the salvation of those who you feel are condemned?


Of course not! For, if we follow (as we ought) the example of our Saviour and the clear commandment of God, we would not dare to do so.
To clarify, consider what the Saviour said in John 17. After stating at length how God pre-selected a few out of the world to give to Jesus, it comes to verse 9 which states unequivocally "I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou has given me; for they are thine." To the extent that we are ever instructed to pray for any other than those who make a profession to this faith, it is in recognition that they may be God's elect who have not yet received the call to grace. Hence, we are instructed to "pray for them who despitefully use you, and persecute you. (Matthew 5:44). We know that, as with Saul of Tarsus, we could find among the enemy one who has grace.
More telling on the subject, however, is the events immediately prior to the destruction by God of the nation of Israel told of in Jeremiah. Throughout the detailed accounts of the abominations of that nation, God repeatedly tells his prophet "pray not thou for this people" (Jeremiah 7:16; 11:14; 14:11). Then, as if to put the instruction into the hyperbolic range, God pronounces the futility of such prayer by saying "Though Moses and Samuel stood before me, yet my mind could not be toward this people." (Jeremiah 15:1). You simply cannot read the accounts given throughout the scriptures without recognizing that those who are clearly condemned of God are beyond any hope of intervention by prayer. To bring the point into focus, consider the pronouncements of God that He has thrice given sodomites "up to uncleanness" (Romans 1:24), "up unto vile affections" (Romans 1:26), and "over to a reprobate mind" (Romans 1:28). What arrogance would we display to pretend we could pray them back into the good grace of Him who has given them up?

Thank you for the specifics... much appreciated and noted...

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Pray for this RETARD to die!

Here's a radical idea... How about we rather pray for him to repent his sins and see his erroneous ways and to be saved by our Lord Jesus Christ who died for ALL our sins...? Is that not more befitting to a Christian than wishing him dead and damning him to hell??

Do you ever pray for the salvation of those who you feel are condemned?


Of course not! For, if we follow (as we ought) the example of our Saviour and the clear commandment of God, we would not dare to do so.
To clarify, consider what the Saviour said in John 17. After stating at length how God pre-selected a few out of the world to give to Jesus, it comes to verse 9 which states unequivocally "I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou has given me; for they are thine." To the extent that we are ever instructed to pray for any other than those who make a profession to this faith, it is in recognition that they may be God's elect who have not yet received the call to grace. Hence, we are instructed to "pray for them who despitefully use you, and persecute you. (Matthew 5:44). We know that, as with Saul of Tarsus, we could find among the enemy one who has grace.
More telling on the subject, however, is the events immediately prior to the destruction by God of the nation of Israel told of in Jeremiah. Throughout the detailed accounts of the abominations of that nation, God repeatedly tells his prophet "pray not thou for this people" (Jeremiah 7:16; 11:14; 14:11). Then, as if to put the instruction into the hyperbolic range, God pronounces the futility of such prayer by saying "Though Moses and Samuel stood before me, yet my mind could not be toward this people." (Jeremiah 15:1). You simply cannot read the accounts given throughout the scriptures without recognizing that those who are clearly condemned of God are beyond any hope of intervention by prayer. To bring the point into focus, consider the pronouncements of God that He has thrice given sodomites "up to uncleanness" (Romans 1:24), "up unto vile affections" (Romans 1:26), and "over to a reprobate mind" (Romans 1:28). What arrogance would we display to pretend we could pray them back into the good grace of Him who has given them up?

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Pray for this RETARD to die!

I am part of a Spiritual Warfare team in South Africa

You seem to be at best a fluffy bunny salad bar liberal "Christian", so if this is true then you are as much a warrior as a fat teenager playing on his Atari.
On the other hand, even salad bar "Christianity" is better than the voodoo practiced by spear chuckers over there as it at least opens the door to them one day accidentally reading a King James Bible and becoming ex-nigra True Christians(tm).

[David Goldman]

Re: Pray for this RETARD to die!

Angels, you know nothing about me, so perhaps this is not your place to speak? Let me enlighten you about something about me, I am part of a Spiritual Warfare team in South Africa, and if anyone knows, it's me, there is NOTHING funny about Satan or his traps or his works... You really do not need to confince me of this!! Again, I seriously thought Levi was joking when he posted that... I am no where near anything to do with the devil...

What is very hard to understand, is what I said to set this alarm off? You seem to know, so why don't you point it out for me? I would be very grateful if you could?

Angels has a gift of discernment for spotting femme fatales who would try to corrupt the brothers here. If something sets her radar off, I take notice.