[BadAssButterfly (On Moderation)]

Re: Men ARE Smarter then women

On the other hand, the woman (rib), being only a part of a man, must join with a man to be joined with a whole being.

I was a whole and complete person long before I met my husband. He was a whole and complete person before he met me. And neither of us would want it any other way.


Haven't you read the Bible, BABs?

I've read it. It's one of the many works of religious-themed literature on my bookshelf. It sits alongside my copy of the Baghavad Gita, the Qu'ran, the Goseigen, Salman Rushdie's The Satanic Verses, Nikos Kazantsakis' The Last Temptation of Christ, Gore Vidal's Creation and Live from Golgotha, Joseph Campbell's Primitive Mythology: the Masks of God, Douglas Wood's Old Turtle, Byrd Baylor's I Am in Charge of Celebrations, Kahlil Gibran's The Prophet, Dan Brown's The DaVinci Code and Angels and Demons, Starhawk's The Spiral Dance, Silver Ravenwolf's To Light a Sacred Flame, Merlin Stone's When God was a Woman, and Patricia Telesco's Urban Pagan, to name just a few.

[SalvationSeeker]

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I've read it. It's one of the many works of religious-themed literature on my bookshelf. It sits alongside my copy of the Baghavad Gita, the Qu'ran, the Goseigen, Salman Rushdie's The Satanic Verses, Nikos Kazantsakis' The Last Temptation of Christ, Gore Vidal's Creation and Live from Golgotha, Joseph Campbell's Primitive Mythology: the Masks of God, Douglas Wood's Old Turtle, Byrd Baylor's I Am in Charge of Celebrations, Kahlil Gibran's The Prophet, Dan Brown's The DaVinci Code and Angels and Demons, Starhawk's The Spiral Dance, Silver Ravenwolf's To Light a Sacred Flame, Merlin Stone's When God was a Woman, and Patricia Telesco's Urban Pagan, to name just a few.

So apart from the Bible it's pretty much only fiction..
Dan Brown, "Starhawk", Salman Rushdie, "Silver Ravenwolf".. Please try to be serious for a second here!
We're not really discussing what comic books you stack your bookcase with.

[BadAssButterfly (On Moderation)]

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So apart from the Bible it's pretty much only fiction..

All so-called scripture is equally believable or unbelieveable. It all depends on your preference. And I never said that they were all factual. In fact, I never made that claim about any of them, including your holy book. I referred to them all by the same word - "literature."

Dan Brown, "Starhawk", Salman Rushdie, "Silver Ravenwolf".. Please try to be serious for a second here!
We're not really discussing what comic books you stack your bookcase with.

Comic books - you mean like those cheesy Chick tracts?

[SalvationSeeker]

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All so-called scripture is equally believable or unbelieveable. It all depends on your preference. And I never said that they were all factual. In fact, I never made that claim about any of them, including your holy book. I referred to them all by the same word - "literature."

You called it religous-themed literature!
But it's pure fiction, just like Superman or Lord of the Rings.
Would you consider the Lord of the Rings "religous-themed literature"?
The only thing factual in your bookcase seem to be the Holy Bible (that is, if it's a KJV1611.)

All "scripture" (In truth however, only the Holy Bible is scripture! But for the sake of argument, I will temporarily accept your definition.)
may appear equally believable to someone without any capability for logical thinking, but I assure you that it is not.
All of the claims in the Bible are supported by creation science, and the Holy Bible stands as the ONLY book in the entire world that has NEVER been disproven!

Comic books - you mean like those cheesy Chick tracts?

One may say that Jack Chick does "comic books", but they're not fiction like yours..
As they're based on facts; but just drawn in comic-book fashion since they're aimed mostly towards kids.

[BadAssButterfly (On Moderation)]

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Would you consider the Lord of the Rings "religous-themed literature"?

Actually, there are many positive spiritual messages in Tolkien's work, so yes, they could be considered religius-themed literature. Nobody ever said that literature had to be factual to have a positive message.

The only thing factual in your bookcase seem to be the Holy Bible (that is, if it's a KJV1611.)

You do realize that Ieshua et al did not speak Elizabethan English, that no one was taking notes during his short ministry, and that there was no divine mandate to quote him in red, right?

All of the claims in the Bible are supported by creation science, and the Holy Bible stands as the ONLY book in the entire world that has NEVER been disproven!

Creation science is an oxymoron. And no one has ever disproven that the Star-Bellied Sneeches had bellies with stars, but the Plain-Bellied Sneeches had no stars on thars, so I guess we can take Dr. Suess at his word, eh?


One may say that Jack Chick does "comic books", but they're not fiction like yours..
As they're based on facts; but just drawn in comic-book fashion since they're aimed mostly towards kids.

They may be aimed at kids, but they miss by a wide margin.

[SalvationSeeker]

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Actually, there are many positive spiritual messages in Tolkien's work, so yes, they could be considered religius-themed literature. Nobody ever said that literature had to be factual to have a positive message.

So whatever YOU consider a "positive spiritual message" is religous-themed literature?

Tolkien's works are fairytales, and they never pretend to be anything else.
Unlike silverbunny and the rest of those wiccedan homers.

You do realize that Ieshua et al did not speak Elizabethan English, that no one was taking notes during his short ministry, and that there was no divine mandate to quote him in red, right?

The KJV1611 was dictated by God to King James scribes in 1611, so Jesus do speak english.
(And please, speak American English here. Your halfassed hebrew isn't very impressive. )
And you think God cannot speak every human language there is?
You don't seem to put much stock in His awesome power, friend.

God can speak any language, American English is His favourite however, as America is His favourite country.
"Why?" you may ask, and the answer is obvious:
Which is the strongest nation on earth, guided by a man who receives his orders from God?
That's right: It's America, we are blessed with most power of all the nations, and a man of God to lead it.
THAT's why we are His favourite country!

Creation science is an oxymoron. And no one has ever disproven that the Star-Bellied Sneeches had bellies with stars, but the Plain-Bellied Sneeches had no stars on thars, so I guess we can take Dr. Suess at his word, eh?

Dr. Suess (whoeve that is) is a human, God is God, but you'd rather trust a man than God?

What I meant was that the Bible has never been disproven by ANYONE, including secular "scientists", and since it is written by God, it will never be disproven either.
God doesn't lie, nor is He lax on His promise to preserve His holy Word! How could He be when He is the Word, and the Word is Him?
Are you saying God is dead? Who do you think you are, Nietzche?
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:14

See, it is like this: Nietzche is dead, God is alive!

Your atheistic "logic" shines through everything you say, friend..
You start with the ASSUMPTION that "God doesn't exist" and then you perceive everything through that narrow belief..
Friend, the fact that God is existant is apparent in all of His creation, as the scripture say:

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Romans 1:20-21

They may be aimed at kids, but they miss by a wide margin.

Maybe you don't know how successful they are, but then..
What you don't know could fill volumes.

[BadAssButterfly (On Moderation)]

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So whatever YOU consider a "positive spiritual message" is religous-themed literature?

Tolkien's works are fairytales, and they never pretend to be anything else.
Unlike silverbunny and the rest of those wiccedan homers.

Are you aware that fairy tales began as fables?


The KJV1611 was dictated by God to King James scribes in 1611, so Jesus do speak english.
(And please, speak American English here. Your halfassed hebrew isn't very impressive. )

ROTFLMAO! The KJV translation was so named in an effort by the church to curry favor with the court of King James.

And you think God cannot speak every human language there is?
You don't seem to put much stock in His awesome power, friend.

God can speak any language, American English is His favourite however, as America is His favourite country.
"Why?" you may ask, and the answer is obvious:
Which is the strongest nation on earth, guided by a man who receives his orders from God?

The Shrub is guided by God? From what I see, he's guided by strings and Dick Cheney's hand through a hole in his back.

That's right: It's America, we are blessed with most power of all the nations, and a man of God to lead it.
THAT's why we are His favourite country!


Dr. Suess (whoeve that is) is a human, God is God, but you'd rather trust a man than God?

Even you have to have heard of Dr. Suess.

What I meant was that the Bible has never been disproven by ANYONE, including secular "scientists", and since it is written by God, it will never be disproven either.

Not being disproven is not proof. Aliens landing in Roswell, New Mexico has never actually been disproven. That doesn't mean that they happened
.

God doesn't lie, nor is He lax on His promise to preserve His holy Word! How could He be when He is the Word, and the Word is Him?

So your book is true, because it says in your book that it's true? Circular logic, my friend, doesn't work.


Are you saying God is dead? Who do you think you are, Nietzche?

To be dead, one must first be alive. You cannot prove that your god exists any more than I can prove my gods exist. That's why it's called faith.


Your atheistic "logic" shines through everything you say, friend..

Actually, I'm not atheist - I'm pagan.


You start with the ASSUMPTION that "God doesn't exist" and then you perceive everything through that narrow belief..
Friend, the fact that God is existant is apparent in all of His creation, as the scripture say:

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Romans 1:20-21

Again, you use your scripture as "proof" that your scripture is true. By that logic, I can prove that anythig written in any bok is true because the book says it is.


Maybe you don't know how successful they are, but then..
What you don't know could fill volumes.

Constantly learning new things is part of what makes life worth living.

[SalvationSeeker]

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Are you aware that fairy tales began as fables?

That is a general statement.. Do you seriously believe that all fiction started out as legend?
If so, you are dumber than I thought.
And you're also accusing Tolkien of plagarizing..

You better hope his relatives doesn't frequent these forums, or they're surely going to sue you.

ROTFLMAO! The KJV translation was so named in an effort by the church to curry favor with the court of King James.

Which church would that be? The cathylick one?
The same one who tried to murder the scribes?

Besides, it doesn't matter what it's named..
It's the content that matters, and the content was dictated by God.
PERIOD.

The Shrub is guided by God? From what I see, he's guided by strings and Dick Cheney's hand through a hole in his back.

You're getting an infraction for that.

Even you have to have heard of Dr. Suess.

I can't be bothered reading much that doesn't concern the Holy Bible.

Not being disproven is not proof. Aliens landing in Roswell, New Mexico has never actually been disproven. That doesn't mean that they happened
.

Indeed.
But what it can do however, is take away any possibility for you to say that God doesn't exist with any kind of authority, rather the opposite.

So your book is true, because it says in your book that it's true? Circular logic, my friend, doesn't work.

When you "prove" that your secular falsely-so-called science is right, without using said science..
I will prove the Bible right without using the Bible..

To be dead, one must first be alive. You cannot prove that your god exists any more than I can prove my gods exist. That's why it's called faith.

I don't need to prove my religion, I know it is the truth.

Actually, I'm not atheist - I'm pagan.

Do you sacrifice humans to please your "gods" like the real pagans did..
Or are you one of those salad bar "elective" pagans who only do what you want to do?
Who only revel in the sinful behaviour you choose to revel in, and then look for a divine excuse for it..
God is going to judge you most harshly if you deny Him, mark my words.

Constantly learning new things is part of what makes life worth living.

It would depend on what those things are..
You obviously doesn't have any interest in learning about God.

But I like to learn new things all the time however, that's why I study the Holy KJV1611 Bible every day.

[BadAssButterfly (On Moderation)]

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That is a general statement.. Do you seriously believe that all fiction started out as legend?
If so, you are dumber than I thought.
And you're also accusing Tolkien of plagarizing..

You better hope his relatives doesn't frequent these forums, or they're surely going to sue you.

Where did I say that Tolkien plagarized?


Which church would that be? The cathylick one?
The same one who tried to murder the scribes?

Besides, it doesn't matter what it's named..
It's the content that matters, and the content was dictated by God.
PERIOD.


You're getting an infraction for that.

I'm shaking.


I can't be bothered reading much that doesn't concern the Holy Bible.


Indeed.
But what it can do however, is take away any possibility for you to say that God doesn't exist with any kind of authority, rather the opposite.

I never said that your god didn't exist. I said that you can't prove it any more than anyone else can prove any other gods exist.


When you "prove" that your secular falsely-so-called science is right, without using said science..
I will prove the Bible right without using the Bible..


I don't need to prove my religion, I know it is the truth.

The proof of the scientific methos is in repeatability. If I do an experiment to test a hypothesis and get a certain result, and you do the same experiment and get the same result, then we can assume that the hypothesis is valid.


Do you sacrifice humans to please your "gods" like the real pagans did..
Or are you one of those salad bar "elective" pagans who only do what you want to do?
Who only revel in the sinful behaviour you choose to revel in, and then look for a divine excuse for it..

I take seriously the rede of "Harming none, do as you will." The "Harming none" part is crucial. And human sacrifice was never a universal pagan practice anyway.


God is going to judge you most harshly if you deny Him, mark my words.



It would depend on what those things are..
You obviously doesn't have any interest in learning about God.

I like to learn about people's ideas about religion. Learning about them doesn't require me to believe in them.

But I like to learn new things all the time however, that's why I study the Holy KJV1611 Bible every day.

I ike to learn new things all the time. That's why I study lots of different things.

[SalvationSeeker]

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Where did I say that Tolkien plagarized?

You made a general statement that fairy tales started as fable (i.e legend)..
Thus tolkien too, must have gotten everything from a legend, and thus he would have plagarized. It follows logically.

The proof of the scientific methos is in repeatability. If I do an experiment to test a hypothesis and get a certain result, and you do the same experiment and get the same result, then we can assume that the hypothesis is valid.

Of course you'd (atleast usually) get the same result if you do the exactly same thing!
The problem arises with how you INTERPRET said result.
In the end, it comes down to "scientific "THEORIES. (i.e pure belief)

I take seriously the rede of "Harming none, do as you will." The "Harming none" part is crucial. And human sacrifice was never a universal pagan practice anyway.

That's not a pagan saying, it's a WICCAN saying!
Great! Another "pagan" without a history education who follows an "ancient" faith, that is, a faith which is about a 50 years old.

I like to learn about people's ideas about religion. Learning about them doesn't require me to believe in them.

Then stop this sillyness and ask what questions you have concerning True Christianity!

[BadAssButterfly (On Moderation)]

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You made a general statement that fairy tales started as fable (i.e legend)..
Thus tolkien too, must have gotten everything from a legend, and thus he would have plagarized. It follows logically.

No - to plagarize is to take someone else's exact words and claim them as your own.


Of course you'd (atleast usually) get the same result if you do the exactly same thing!

So if you pray for something, and I pray the same prayer, then logically, we should both get the same result, but religion doesn't work that way - it's not repeatable.


The problem arises with how you INTERPRET said result.
In the end, it comes down to "scientific "THEORIES. (i.e pure belief)

Dont forget to renew your membership in the Flat Earth Society.

That's not a pagan saying, it's a WICCAN saying!
Great! Another "pagan" without a history education who follows an "ancient" faith, that is, a faith which is about a 50 years old.

Wicca is one form of paganism, not unlike your Christian differentiation of denominations. There are some elemetns of Wicca that apply to my path, but not all of them. All Wiccans are pagan, but not all pagans are Wiccan; just as all Catholics are Christian, but not all Christians are Catholic.


Then stop this sillyness and ask what questions you have concerning True Christianity!

Sometimes observation and debate result in more learning than asking direct questions.

[SalvationSeeker]

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No - to plagarize is to take someone else's exact words and claim them as your own.

No it isn't, and I'm not going to discuss it either.
Look up the definiton in a dictonary.

So if you pray for something, and I pray the same prayer, then logically, we should both get the same result, but religion doesn't work that way - it's not repeatable.

Do you know why we don't get the same results?
It's because we doesn't really do the same experiment!
The subject (the praying person) is totally different as I'm a true believer and you aren't.
God tells us that He doesn't listen to the prayers of the unGodly.
Also, God is not a "natural law" or whatever, He is a living God, so He can reject a prayer if He feels like it.
Your example fails.

Dont forget to renew your membership in the Flat Earth Society.

You're out of arguments and so you turn to insults and/or irrelevant remarks..
Thanks for proving my point that you have nothing but beliefs.

Wicca is one form of paganism, not unlike your Christian differentiation of denominations.

Good point though, wicca is about as pagan as cathylicks are True Christians.

You really don't have a clue do you?
Wicca is not paganism, it isn't old, and it isn't even a real religion.

There are some elemetns of Wicca that apply to my path, but not all of them. All Wiccans are pagan, but not all pagans are Wiccan; just as all Catholics are Christian, but not all Christians are Catholic.

Catholics ARE NOT Christians, Christians worship CHRIST and follow the BIBLE.
The cathylicks worship Mary, saints, statues, and the pope, and follow their "tradition".

Sometimes observation and debate result in more learning than asking direct questions.

If you say so, but this is getting very close to thread-deralining. Not to mention that it's pointless and irrelevant to the purpose of this forum.
So consider this "debate" closed and over. Further derailing will be moved or deleted.

[Brother Temperance]

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I take seriously the rede of "Harming none, do as you will." The "Harming none" part is crucial. And human sacrifice was never a universal pagan practice anyway.

Do you have any idea where that "rede" comes from? I'll give you a clue: it's from a satirical (satirical, that is to say JOKE, never intended to be taken seriously) book written by a French homer, and then revived by a Satanist. And have you ever spoken to your pagan "wicca" buddy wickercouple666? She seems pretty keen on running down helpless animals for kicks, I don't know how one squares that with "harming none" and "respecting mother nature." And the reason it was never a universal pagan practice is because there is no such thing as a "universal pagan practice", because ALL modern-day pagans are just making this rubbish up as they go along!

There are some elemetns of Wicca that apply to my path, but not all of them.

You mean, you're too lazy, unorganised and undisciplined to even follow Wicker consistently? My word.

[OnYourKnees]

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Do you have any idea where that "rede" comes from? I'll give you a clue: it's from a satirical (satirical, that is to say JOKE, never intended to be taken seriously) book written by a French homer, and then revived by a Satanist.

In case you aren't familiar, BABs, look up Rabelais at www.gutenberg.org.

And I'm sure you're already quite familiar with Aleister Crowley, so no need for you to look him up.

[WorthyOne]

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Hmm... that's odd, because I have a genius IQ.

BOOO!