[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: two thing you haters should consider (non haters read this a

The word "love" means different things in different contexts. You can look at the Greek text and see for yourself that different Greek words were translated as love. In Matthew 10:37, the word used is φιλων (philon), which is a love in a personal or familiar sense. In Colossians 3:19, the word used is αγαπατε (agapete), which is love in a moral sense.

It is possible to love someone in a moral sense while hating them in a personal sense -- just ask my mother in law

Great, so we are agreed. We are supposed to love everyone.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: two thing you haters should consider (non haters read this a

No, I've never used that figure of speech. But explain to me why in other parts of the Bible we are told to love those same people Jesus tells us to hate.

The word "love" means different things in different contexts. You can look at the Greek text and see for yourself that different Greek words were translated as love. In Matthew 10:37, the word used is φιλων (philon), which is a love in a personal or familiar sense. In Colossians 3:19, the word used is αγαπατε (agapete), which is love in a moral sense.

It is possible to love someone in a moral sense while hating them in a personal sense -- just ask my mother in law

Pastor, I am as much a Christian as you are.

I can't know your heart. I suppose it's possible to be saved yet completely misunderstand the Gospel, but much more often people like that are false converts who call themselves Christians but aren't really saved.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: two thing you haters should consider (non haters read this a

Those aren't "parallel passages". Matthew recored one sermon, and Luke recorded a different one. Read the whole chapters.

If you hate your family, then it follows that you don't them more than you love God.

You never answered my question about the use of that figure of speech. Have you ever told someone you hate them, meaning you love them, but less than you love someone else?

No, I've never used that figure of speech. But explain to me why in other parts of the Bible we are told to love those same people Jesus tells us to hate.

Try to answer this question, using The Message:

In Acts 8:36, the eunuch asks Peter what he needs to do before he can be baptized. What did Peter say in response?

Yes, fair enough they are not identical. But in that particular verse they are saying the same thing, and anyway, I include both versions.

A site like this that loudly proclaims the Word of God regularly attracts workers on iniquity trying to disrupt and subvert.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

Pastor, I am as much a Christian as you are.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: two thing you haters should consider (non haters read this a

Well then why is it in the parallel passage from Matthew, it's phrased "if you love your father, mother, etc. more than God..." Was Matthew wrong? Are all those passages that tell us to love those people wrong?

Those aren't "parallel passages". Matthew recored one sermon, and Luke recorded a different one. Read the whole chapters.

If you hate your family, then it follows that you don't them more than you love God.

You never answered my question about the use of that figure of speech. Have you ever told someone you hate them, meaning you love them, but less than you love someone else?

I included the KJV version of the passage, and the meaning is the same.

Try to answer this question, using The Message:

In Acts 8:36, the eunuch asks Peter what he needs to do before he can be baptized. What did Peter say in response?

Are you suggesting than an atheist would waste his time posing as a Christian to try to turn people away from the Bible? That's ridiculous.

A site like this that loudly proclaims the Word of God regularly attracts workers on iniquity trying to disrupt and subvert.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: two thing you haters should consider (non haters read this a

I believe Jesus is capable of saying what he means, without needing for someone to "interpret" for him. I've never heard such a figure of speech. Have you ever used that "figure of speech", to say you hate someone to mean that you really love him or her, but less than you love someone else? If a man loves his kids more than he loves his wife, should he tell her he hates her, and would she know that he means he loves her?

Well then why is it in the parallel passage from Matthew, it's phrased "if you love your father, mother, etc. more than God..." Was Matthew wrong? Are all those passages that tell us to love those people wrong?

Are you quoting from The Message? That's not a Bible. It's not even a good commentary.

I included the KJV version of the passage, and the meaning is the same.

So now you're bandying about the "C" word? Well the jig is up, you've outed yourself, atheist.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

Are you suggesting than an atheist would waste his time posing as a Christian to try to turn people away from the Bible? That's ridiculous.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: two thing you haters should consider (non haters read this a

Jesus was using a figure of speech. He meant that you love God so much more, that it's almost as if you hate those people.

I believe Jesus is capable of saying what he means, without needing for someone to "interpret" for him. I've never heard such a figure of speech. Have you ever used that "figure of speech", to say you hate someone to mean that you really love him or her, but less than you love someone else? If a man loves his kids more than he loves his wife, should he tell her he hates her, and would she know that he means he loves her?

Matthew 10: 34-37"Don't think I've come to make life cozy. I've come to cut—make a sharp knife-cut between son and father, daughter and mother, bride and mother-in-law—cut through these cozy domestic arrangements and free you for God. Well-meaning family members can be your worst enemies. If you prefer father or mother over me, you don't deserve me. If you prefer son or daughter over me, you don't deserve me.

Are you quoting from The Message? That's not a Bible. It's not even a good commentary.

The only explanation would be that the Bible is contradicting itself.

So now you're bandying about the "C" word? Well the jig is up, you've outed yourself, atheist.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: two thing you haters should consider (non haters read this a

I've answered this before in another discussion.

Jesus was using a figure of speech. He meant that you love God so much more, that it's almost as if you hate those people. Let's look at the parallel verse in Matthew 10:37, where Jesus phrases it as, if you love such and such more than God, etc.

Matthew 10: 34-37"Don't think I've come to make life cozy. I've come to cut—make a sharp knife-cut between son and father, daughter and mother, bride and mother-in-law—cut through these cozy domestic arrangements and free you for God. Well-meaning family members can be your worst enemies. If you prefer father or mother over me, you don't deserve me. If you prefer son or daughter over me, you don't deserve me.



37He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

In fact we know from other parts of scripture you are supposed to love your parents (Exodus 20:12, Deuteronomy 5:16, Ephesians 6:2, Proverbs 1:8, Proverbs 23:22, Malachi 4:6); wives (Ephesians 5:28, Ephesians 5:33, Colossians 3:19), children (Colossians 3:21), siblings (Leviticus 19:17, 1 John 3:15, 1 John 4:20-21), and yourself (Leviticus 19:17).

The only explanation would be that the Bible is contradicting itself.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: two thing you haters should consider (non haters read this a

No, you have to LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, everybody! And I mean EVERYBODY!

Says who? Not Jesus.

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

THAT'S what Jesus had to say.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: two thing you haters should consider (non haters read this a

I'm very sorry for that i have been helping out at my Chruch it has been taking alot of my time lately But now i can talk to you again have you repent yet? Please stop your old ways and let the Wonderful Jesus in your life

Yeah But you Said you weren't Going to bother talking Two me anymore i don't Get you at all but i Do love you

[Miss April]

Re: two thing you haters should consider (non haters read this a

Miss April, do not get any lezbo on you. It does not wipe off. I read that on Wikipedia so I know it must be true.

Thank you Brother James for the Tip I will not let this lesbain or queer give me anything yes that Wonderful Website is always right and true I'm just trying to lead this unsaved fool to Jesus but she keeps acting like a idiot i think it is a girl but it could be a queer girly man don't you think?

[Miss April]

Re: two thing you haters should consider (non haters read this a

i don't, but I most certainly don't hate. Is it similar?

Why do you Hate Jesus? yes you do hate Because you talk so much of it here of Gods Favorite Forum He hates that Troll

[Miss April]

Re: two thing you haters should consider (non haters read this a

No, you have to LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, everybody! And I mean EVERYBODY!

Don't listen to this queer he is on drugs Whould you stop getting high and repent? but No you are wrong you don't have to love everybody Read the real Bible Little fag

[Miss April]

Re: two thing you haters should consider (non haters read this a

You say you want to help me, but then you say you won't talk to me anymore, and then you keep talking to me. I have no idea what you are doing.

I'm very sorry for that i have been helping out at my Chruch it has been taking alot of my time lately But now i can talk to you again have you repent yet? Please stop your old ways and let the Wonderful Jesus in your life

[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: two thing you haters should consider (non haters read this a

No, you have to LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, everybody! And I mean EVERYBODY!

[nonethanks]

Re: two thing you haters should consider (non haters read this a

I LOVE EVERYBODY!

i don't, but I most certainly don't hate. Is it similar?