[Brother Temperance]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

Well, my friends, Jesus is far more attentive than the Jews at the credit agencies, and nothing will slip by Him!

Yet more proof of how awesome the Almighty is; it's nearly impossible to be more attentive than a jew investigating financial matters, and yet Our Lord manages it! Praise!

YES!

The difference between masculine and feminine behaviors is due to the chemical differences in men and women. That is, homosexuality is a behavior dictated in part by one's hormonal complex. These are partly genetic and partly acquired. Secular nonsense snipped...

If that jibber-jabber was true, that still wouldn't mean it was possible to be a sodomite Christian, it would just mean it was genetically impossible for some people to be Saved. Fortunately, God is so merciful that He has given all of us the opportunity to accept Him, even you. So now you understand that there's nothing "natural" about your abominable behaviour, will you give it up and choose life?

[M.D. (Quarantined)]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

Yet more proof of how awesome the Almighty is; it's nearly impossible to be more attentive than a jew investigating financial matters, and yet Our Lord manages it! Praise!

If that jibber-jabber was true, that still wouldn't mean it was possible to be a sodomite Christian, it would just mean it was genetically impossible for some people to be Saved. Fortunately, God is so merciful that He has given all of us the opportunity to accept Him, even you. So now you understand that there's nothing "natural" about your abominable behaviour, will you give it up and choose life?

No. Because whoever wrote the Bible was a fraud!

[Rev. Dr. Davidson]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

Certain normal hormone(s) may be inadequate or excessive. The ratio between male and female hormones in a person may be disproportionate. Or, a hormone may be defective.

If they're defective, why don't we kill them at birth. We should at least stone them to death as the Bible says. You have proved that homers are genetically inferior. By the laws of your nature, the genetically inferior are supposed to be removed from the gene pool.

We True Christians™ already knew these things, as God told us.

[bonzo2 (On Moderation)]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

THE GENETICS OF HOMOSEXUALITY
Dara Newman

In trying to decide on a topic for this WWW project, it seemed logical to try and focus on a current subject. Homosexuality and homosexual behavior has existed for thousands and thousands of years, probably even before the times of homo-sapiens. However, up until a few years ago, the issue was discussed mostly by people in the social sciences. Psychologists, such as Freud, studied homosexuals extensively in hopes of coming up with an explanation for their "abnormal" behavior. All of the explanations that these people created linked homosexuality to experiences that homosexuals have while growing up. Generally speaking, people in the world of psychology believed that homosexuality could be explained by a person's environment. However, in the past four or five years, the subject of homosexuality has been creeping into the world of biology. Studies have been done recently that attempt to look at homosexuality in a scientific light in hopes of coming up with a genetic explanation for sexual preference.

One of the first successful scientific studies that was done on homosexuality was reported on in 1993. The purpose of this study was to look at families in which there was an abnormally high occurrence of homosexuality. By extensively studying the family histories of these families, researchers hoped to find some clues pointing towards the genetic factors that affect homosexuality. That is exactly what happened. By looking at the family trees of gay males (For some reason, this study only focused on male homosexuality, but made the claim that their findings would be similar to the ones that would be found by looking at female homosexuality. As this paper will discuss later, this assumption that male and female homosexuality can easily be compared may be entirely inaccurate.) it seemed that the majority of homosexual occurrences were on the maternal side of the tree. From this information, researchers concluded that if in fact there was a "homosexual gene", it appeared to be passed down from mother to son. This means that heterosexual females are carriers of this gene, and when it is passed down to a male child, there is a chance that the child will be a homosexual. While this study did not come up with any hard core facts about the genetics of homosexuality, it showed that a connection very well could exist. Since this study did determine that the gene influencing homosexuality was carried by the mother, researchers participating in further studies knew that they could limit their search to the X chromosome, and that is exactly what they did (5).
One of the most influential studies on the genetics of homosexuality was done by Dean Hamer and his co-workers at the National Cancer Institute in Washington DC (1993). Hamer's research involved studying thirty-two pairs of brothers who were either "exclusively or mostly" homosexual. None of the sets of brothers were related. Of the thirty-two pairs, Hamer and his colleagues found that two-thirds of them (twenty-two of the sets of brothers) shared the same type of genetic material. This strongly supports the hypothesis that there is an existing gene that influences homosexuality (4). Hamer then looked closely at the DNA of these gay brothers to try and find the region of the X chromosome (since the earlier research suggested that the gene was passed down maternally) that most of the homosexual brothers shared. He discovered that homosexual brothers have a much higher likelihood of inheriting the same genetic sequence on the region of the X chromosome identified by Xq28, than heterosexual brothers of the same gay men. Keep in mind though, that this is just a region of the X chromosome, not a specific gene. Although researchers are hopeful, a single gene has not yet been identified (7). Hamer's study also acknowledges the fact that while it does suggest that there is a gene that influences homosexuality, it has not yet been determined how greatly the gene influences whether or not a person will be homosexual (4). In addition, Hamer attempted to locate a similar gene in female homosexuals, but was unsuccessful (7). The results that Hamer's study did find though, cannot yet be accepted as absolute truth. Another study took place in 1993 by Macke et al. This study examined the same gene locus as the Hamer study, but found that it had no influence on homosexuality (8). As you can see, the results on this topic are still extremely varied and reasonably new, so it is difficult to come to any lasting conclusion.
Other studies have been conducted that look at twin brothers rather than brothers of different ages. Bailey and Pillard (1991) did a study of twins that determined a Ò52% concordance of homosexuality in monozygotic twins, 22% for dizygotic twins, and 11% for adoptive brothers of homosexual men (8). These results, like Hamer's, provide further support for the claim that homosexuality is genetically linked. Studies very similar to the Bailey and Pillard study have been done both with female homosexual siblings and siblings of both sexes. The results for both of these studies were only off from Bailey and PillardÕs by a few percentage points. Putting all of these results together, it seems like genetics are at least 50% accountable for determining a personÕs sexual orientation (8).
Looking at the results of many of the other studies I have discussed, it seems a little strange to me that the student of homosexual siblings who were both male and female came up with similar result as the studies that looked exclusively at male homosexuality. Hamer's study, along with others, have tried to located a gene that influences female homosexuality, but they have been unsuccessful. More importantly, the region of the X chromosome that very possibly could influence male homosexuality does not influence females in the same way. Female heterosexuals merely pass the gene sequence on to their sons. Knowing this, it seems odd to me that there would be such a high percentage of male and female homosexual siblings. Perhaps this suggests that if genetics are responsible for homosexuality, we have a long way to go before we completely understand the gene loci that determine sexuality.
Aside from the scientists who are researching the topic of homosexuality and genetics, there are many other people who have concerns and vested interests in the topic. The information that is being discovered has been used by people in both positive and negative ways. On the one hand, there are members of the gay community who are very excited to find that the life-style they live is not entirely a choice that they made, as homophobic people often like to believe. Some homosexuals feel that if the world realizes that homosexuality is something people are born with, just like the color of your skin or your eyes, then people will begin to be more accepting of the homosexual life-style (5). However, on the other hand, there is also a group a people who believe that if homosexuality is in fact genetically linked, then there should be a way to genetically alter homosexuals in order to make them "normal" (3). Before I started researching this topic on the world-wide-web, I did not realize what a new and controversial issue the genetics of homosexuality was. From tid-bits of news that I had picked up along the way, I thought that scientists had located, without a doubt, a gene that plays a role in influencing sexual orientation.

God created the Universe, so therefore created the genetic makeup of man so therefore condones homosexuality very simple really I think you have been hoisted by your own petards!

[Randy Gukta]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

Choosing to be a homosexual deviant is no different than the choice to be a suicidal moon-worshiping terrorist. You can't be a follower of Christ while at the same time choosing to spit in the face of Baby Jesus.



The answer is indisputably !!NO!!

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

God created demons who infest people's minds, sometimes causing them to become cannibalistic serial killers. By your "logic", this means God condones cannibalistic serial murder.

You should read around the forums a bit more. We've never denied that God creates things He hates.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

God obvious hates evil, yet He created it because He has a purpose for everything and everyone!
So even if sodomites are born and instead of choosing it for their lifestyle (I'm still not convinced, and won't be until our creation scientists are finished their research), that doesn't mean God doesn't still find them to be an abomination. Not only that, being "born" a sodomite doesn't excuse sodomy. Left-handed people are messed with by demons at a very young age, but with enough practice lefties can overcome their curse and write just like normal, right-handed people (we have a great lefty rehabilitation center here in Freehold). Or look at nigras! They are born carrying the curse of Ham, but through the power of Jesus, they are able to overcome their sin and become ex-nigras! Glory!

[bonzo2 (On Moderation)]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

Choosing to be a homosexual deviant is no different than the choice to be a suicidal moon-worshiping terrorist. You can't be a follower of Christ while at the same time choosing to spit in the face of Baby Jesus.



The answer is indisputably !!NO!!

Where does choice come into it? you are either homosexual or not it is a matter of genetics created by your god so where does sin come into it?

[Brother V]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

Where does choice come into it? you are either homosexual or not it is a matter of genetics created by your god so where does sin come into it?

There is a choice or not to have a penis in your ass, isn't there?

Unless you are saying someone is born homosexual with a silver dick in the butt; like spoiled rich kids are born with a silver spoon in their mouth.

Is that what you are saying?

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

Where does choice come into it? you are either homosexual or not it is a matter of genetics created by your god so where does sin come into it?

Who decides what actions you take?

No action is genetically predetermined. Your actions are the result of YOUR choices.

If you choose to be a flamer, you choose the flame.

[bonzo2 (On Moderation)]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

There is a choice or not to have a penis in your ass, isn't there?

Unless you are saying someone is born homosexual with a silver dick in the butt; like spoiled rich kids are born with a silver spoon in their mouth.

Is that what you are saying?

a little fixated on the mechanics of homosexuality Freud would have a field day LOL choice is about being genetically predisposed to fancying blokes and then all that goes with that LIke I said earlier if god created man he must condone man's actions not matter what. Obviously because he's programmed a person that way through is genetic makeup

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

a little fixated on the mechanics of homosexuality Freud would have a field day LOL choice is about being genetically predisposed to fancying blokes and then all that goes with that LIke I said earlier if god created man he must condone man's actions not matter what. Obviously because he's programmed a person that way through is genetic makeup

You obviously missed the last page where I proved this erroneous line of thinking wrong. To help you out, here it is again...

God created demons who infest people's minds, sometimes causing them to become cannibalistic serial killers. By your "logic", this means God condones cannibalistic serial murder.

You should read around the forums a bit more. We've never denied that God creates things He hates.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

God obvious hates evil, yet He created it because He has a purpose for everything and everyone!
So even if sodomites are born and instead of choosing it for their lifestyle (I'm still not convinced, and won't be until our creation scientists are finished their research), that doesn't mean God doesn't still find them to be an abomination. Not only that, being "born" a sodomite doesn't excuse sodomy. Left-handed people are messed with by demons at a very young age, but with enough practice lefties can overcome their curse and write just like normal, right-handed people (we have a great lefty rehabilitation center here in Freehold). Or look at nigras! They are born carrying the curse of Ham, but through the power of Jesus, they are able to overcome their sin and become ex-nigras! Glory!

[bonzo2 (On Moderation)]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

You obviously missed the last page where I proved this erroneous line of thinking wrong. To help you out, here it is again...

Yes its gods will that we have serial cannabilistic killers based on your beliefs and he obviously condones this behaviour and when one of these poor souls acts out gods will he then behaves like a petulant child again based on your belief system. Like I have already stated there is only the great spirit and natural law - as you sow so shall you reap the law is perfect

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

Yes its gods will that we have serial cannabilistic killers based on your beliefs and he obviously condones this behaviour and when one of these poor souls acts out gods will he then behaves like a petulant child again based on your belief system. Like I have already stated there is only the great spirit and natural law - as you sow so shall you reap the law is perfect

Boy, you're really stupid aren't you?
Our beliefs is that He want something from all of us: that we worship Him.
People may reject His will however, as everyone has free will!

He will never turn anyone into a "cannibalistic killer", at most He will allow satan to influence them in such a direction.
God created satan and his demons, but they act according to their own will, not God's.
Rather, God takes advantage of their evil intentions by letting them torment the unbelievers, while protecting His own (i.e True Christians)..
As such, jealousy of the righteous (i.e us) and a fear of demons will cause many of the unbelievers into converting!
Thus evil has and always will serve God in the cause of good, but friend..
That's how powerful God is; He makes fools of all of His enemies!



As for the "reap what you sow", as has been pointed out earlier..
You must believe that it's the retards own fault that they are retarded then. As with everyone who's handicapped in any way!
This is actually similiar to what we know to be the truth:
That they are tards because God hates them, and obviously something they did or would do in the future, caused Him to hate them, and curse them.

[Brother V]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

a little fixated on the mechanics of homosexuality Freud would have a field day LOL choice is about being genetically predisposed to fancying blokes and then all that goes with that LIke I said earlier if god created man he must condone man's actions not matter what. Obviously because he's programmed a person that way through is genetic makeup

How is one gay without ... um ... the mechanics of homosexuality.

To claim one is gay without... um... "the mechanics of homosexuality" is absurd.

Lets replace the "gay" activity with something else and the title for that action, and then you tell me if the person is really that thing.

I'm an actor, but i've never been on stage, in a movie, or a musical.

I'm an athelete, but i've never played any sports.

I'm a golfer, but i've never swung a golf club.

I'm a novelist, but i've never writen a book.

I'm a christian, but i don't believe in Jesus.

See friend, the "mechanics" define the person.

As for fancying blokes: most of my friends are men, I'd prefer to hang out with them, than with a woman, wouldn't you. Guys are so much cooler!

1 Samuel 18:1 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.

Two men loving each other; totally NOT GAY!!!

YIC
V

[Deaner]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

Like I have already stated there is only the great spirit and natural law

woo-hoo, woo-hoo