[Brother Temperance]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

I agree there is no real proof and further study is needed - the main point I was making is that if god created man (in his image!) he must condone homosexuality or he is setting peope up to fail and what would the point in that

No, GOD does not condone sodomy; yes, He is setting people up to fail, for reasons only He understands.

Deaner looking at your picture is your alter ego the indian in the band Village People? If not with your obvious singing ability you could make a lucrative living playing that part in a tribute band

When Brother Larry gave you that advice above, he wasn't trying to tell you to lower the standard of your posting.

[bonzo2 (On Moderation)]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

woo-hoo, woo-hoo

Deaner looking at your picture is your alter ego the indian in the band Village People? If not with your obvious singing ability you could make a lucrative living playing that part in a tribute band

[Larry Lee]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

I agree there is no real proof and further study is needed - the main point I was making is that if god created man (in his image!) he must condone homosexuality or he is setting peope up to fail and what would the point in that

Posts such as that one will never get you off moderation, son.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

I agree there is no real proof and further study is needed - the main point I was making is that if god created man (in his image!) he must condone homosexuality or he is setting peope up to fail and what would the point in that

And your "point" is totally and utterly illogical, as has been pointed out repeatedly.

[bonzo2 (On Moderation)]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

You put me in an almost untenable situation, Bonzo2. You are forcing me to seem to agree -- partially -- with the Bapwits. But the very study that you quote at length makes it plain that a genetic basis for homosexuality has not been thoroughly established. Not at all I'm afraid. The studies don't rule out the possibility of it being genetically based, but certainly don't prove that it is. A major problem when dealing with siblings and twins is it is very difficult to effectively control for environment. Finding a decent sample of identical twins who have been separated since birth (to rule out the effect of their having the same environmental experiences is often not possible).

Until a lot more work is done and the gene responsible is isolated, there is no proof that it is genetically based.

I agree there is no real proof and further study is needed - the main point I was making is that if god created man (in his image!) he must condone homosexuality or he is setting peope up to fail and what would the point in that

[H. Montague Worthington]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

This is the stupidest topic for a thread that I have ever read. I won't even dignify the question with the very obvious two-letter word answer.

Honestly, this is like asking "Is it possible to be nigra and not rape white women?" It's like asking, "Is there such a thing as a generous joo?" How about an in-depth post on whether the mainstream media has a conservative bias?

What's next? Asians with souls? Women in science?

[Hairy Homer]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

Where does choice come into it? you are either homosexual or not it is a matter of genetics created by your god so where does sin come into it?

You put me in an almost untenable situation, Bonzo2. You are forcing me to seem to agree -- partially -- with the Bapwits. But the very study that you quote at length makes it plain that a genetic basis for homosexuality has not been thoroughly established. Not at all I'm afraid. The studies don't rule out the possibility of it being genetically based, but certainly don't prove that it is. A major problem when dealing with siblings and twins is it is very difficult to effectively control for environment. Finding a decent sample of identical twins who have been separated since birth (to rule out the effect of their having the same environmental experiences is often not possible).

Until a lot more work is done and the gene responsible is isolated, there is no proof that it is genetically based.

[Rev. Dr. Davidson]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

Gee, we would. But you can't change the DNA of an eukaryotic cell. And we would just kill the homosexuals, but that'd be considered in-humane. Better to just deal with it. It's not like they're hurting you anyway.

I don't believe there is a genetic trait that makes a man a homer? For every study that you read saying it's true, I can find two that says it isn't. The studies saying it's true are attempts by some homer scientist to justify his chosen lifestyle.

God created Adam and Eve. I have yet to read where Adam and Steve were playing hide the salami in the garden of eden.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

Gee, we would. But you can't change the DNA of an eukaryotic cell. And we would just kill the homosexuals, but that'd be considered in-humane. Better to just deal with it. It's not like they're hurting you anyway.

Every time some homer recruits a good Christian boy into that degenerate, God-hating lifestyle, Jesus weeps. So do we.

We don't want those young boys to end up burning in Hell. Apparently, you do.

So, why do you hate Homers so much that you want them to be tortured for all eternity, instead of being Saved and becoming Un-Gay?

[M.D. (Quarantined)]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

If they're defective, why don't we kill them at birth. We should at least stone them to death as the Bible says. You have proved that homers are genetically inferior. By the laws of your nature, the genetically inferior are supposed to be removed from the gene pool.

We True Christians™ already knew these things, as God told us.

Gee, we would. But you can't change the DNA of an eukaryotic cell. And we would just kill the homosexuals, but that'd be considered in-humane. Better to just deal with it. It's not like they're hurting you anyway.

[Enobarbus]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

a little fixated on the mechanics of homosexuality Freud would have a field day LOL choice is about being genetically predisposed to fancying blokes and then all that goes with that LIke I said earlier if god created man he must condone man's actions not matter what. Obviously because he's programmed a person that way through is genetic makeup

I said earlier if god created man he must condone man's actions not matter what.

Completely absurd nonsense. God created man with free-will -- God does not condone sin and will cast all those who chose sin into hell. Go and read your Bible (KJV1611). Do you think that God condones murder and other crimes? You are making no sense.

[Enobarbus]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

YES!

The difference between masculine and feminine behaviors is due to the chemical differences in men and women. That is, homosexuality is a behavior dictated in part by one's hormonal complex. These are partly genetic and partly acquired.

One's mix of natural hormones and enzymes drive one's behavoir as do alcohol and the street drugs. This is so because behavior is a chemical reaction. In fact, an electro-chemical reaction. One neuron drops some molecules on another causing a response (chemical reaction) which travels along its axon (electrical reaction) to activate a cell or another neuron.
Even one's "free will" can easily change by changing one's body chemistry as one would behave differently under the influence of alcohol or a different set of hormones, enzymes, and other consumed chemicals. Even an environmentally shaped behavior cannot take place unless it changes the chemistry of that behavior.
Sexual drive is largely due to testosterone in both sexes. Yet, men's sexual drive is stronger because they have more of it. The Sexual attraction is due to a combination of hormones and environmental influences.
Certain normal hormone(s) may be inadequate or excessive. The ratio between male and female hormones in a person may be disproportionate. Or, a hormone may be defective. Or, the target cells may have reduced or increased sensitivity to them. Even, certain tumors may produce similar chemicals or chemicals that alter the effects of these hormones.
Like diabetes, homosexuality is subsequent to a chemical imbalance in one's body. However, homosexuality is a more complex condition.
Diabetes is not really a disease anymore than the fish's inability to breathe air since the diabetics would do well without medication in hunter societies as shown by the return of a group of diabetic aboriginals in Australia out of cities and back to their hunting life-style.
Diabetes is in parrt the problem of having failed to evolve the particular genetic code to deal with our increasingly high-sugar diet since the invention of farming. Like diabetes, homosexuality is not a disease but a variant of biochemistry in one's blood resulted from one or more causes: genetic varience, mind/body connection, cultural gender-typing, induced biochemical changes, etc.

Absolutely No!
It has already been explained to you that even if this garbage is true, it does not alter the fact that homers are an abomination in the eyes of the Lord and bound for the flames that are never quenched.

But apart from that, have you ever pondered the full implications of all this reductionist deterministic drivel?

So our behaviour is all governed by our brain chemistry and hormones? Can’t you see where this leads? It leads inevitably to not just the concept of free-will going out the window but any notion of culpability as well. If someone rapes your wife, daughter, and mother, it’s not his fault: his brain chemistry made him do it! He’s not a criminal who deserves punishment; rather he is just mentally ill or hormonally unbalanced and deserves our sympathy.

This is deterministic because it means there is no free-will and none of us have any control over our fate; and it is reductionist because you are reducing the human being to no more than a complicated machine – what about personality and consciousness? How do you explain them?

All this half-baked wannabe scientific cobblers you are spouting M.D won’t save you from the wrath of Almighty God on the day of judgement. You’ll be there with Hairy Homer, Richard Dawkins, etc and the lot of you will be tossed into everlasting torture.

I have a prescription for you, MD: take two aspirin, stop reading silly scientific books you don’t understand, and get yourself a copy of the KJV1611. Read the Word of God, MD. The Word of God will put you on the right track: the track to repentance and eventually forgiveness. It is up to you MD – up to you! It is Jesus or Burn MD. Jesus or Burn!

[Virginia Day Templeton]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

[Pseudoscientific babble]

God created the Universe, so therefore created the genetic makeup of man so therefore condones homosexuality very simple really I think you have been hoisted by your own petards!

Are we supposed to be impressed by your discovery of your browser's "Paste" function?

No, the false religion of geneticism was created by God-hating scientists. There is NOTHING in Scripture that suggests DNA to be anything more than a fanciful fairy tale, on par with Bigfoot or the Tooth Fairy.

God did create the Bible, however, and in it He unequivocally condemns sodomy in all its forms. Have you read the Bible? You should; it just might save your soul.

By the way, you spelled your username wrong. There's no "n" in "bozo."

[Randy Gukta]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

Where does choice come into it? you are either homosexual or not it is a matter of genetics created by your god so where does sin come into it?

Homosexuality is a choice. Fags chose to be butt pirates because they are depraved deviants. Who else but a completely deranged, unclean, and diabolically influence pervert would want to smother their genitalia in another man's feces lined rectum?

Even from a false liberal pseudo-scientific standpoint you must admit that non-sexuality(i.e homosexuality) is unnatural. There is simply no point in one man lusting after another. They cannot reproduce. Even your own evolutionist would have to attest that fags should go extinct and the supposed fag gene with them. So based on the current existence of poop divers it is clear that no such genetic reason is at fault(seeing that fags and any fag gene would have died out), but rather a conscious choice to be a vile sexual deviant.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

In answer to the original question;

Modern 'gay christians' will tell you yes, however the bible, on which the religion they supposedly believe in is based, will tell you no.

Or more accurately, that their own beliefs would see them damned.