[Enobarbus]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

There are many successful Christian programs that have taken disgusting limp-wristed homers and mustachioed bull-dykes into productive, normal citizens who praise Jesus every day hence. Probably the most well-known of these would be Sister Betty Bower's BASH program, which has an incredible success rate.

Homerism is nothing but a nasty habit, a filthy hobby taken up by those who don't know the Lord. Thank Jesus I never chose to waste my life in such perversion.

Indeed Brother, thank the Lord that he protected us from this licentiousness and depravity!

But let's not forget our own Brother Bab's clinic and his curing himself and others from the depths of sin. Our Landover Clinic has a 100% success rate with male homers. The females are a little more difficult to deal with (lesbianic women -- most sinnerful women for that matter -- being the most dissolute, wanton and abandoned creatures) but we have had great success there too -- take Sister Rain and Sister Stars and Stripes Forever, both of them completely cured and devoting their lives to Jesus. Praise the Lord! It truely brings a tear to my eye, Brother, when I see the good Brothers and Sisters of Landover taking a fearless stand against sin.

[Enobarbus]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

Of course it's natural. It's written in DNA. Imbalance of chromosomes and enzymes and hormones and such. There's nothing more natural in the human body than DNA. It's what makes us who we are. Even gays...How many times do I have to say it? Those who have the choice are bisexual or just curious usually. If we could change a human's DNA succesfully, we could more than likely change their sexual orientaion. That's what I meant by "cure". We already have changed prokaryotic cells. A little more knowledge of the human brain and we could change almost everything about a person. Possibly.

Can't you read. Go and look at the long post about the research done on the genetic basis of Homerism. It isn't, as a matter of fact, proven.

Quite apart from that, let's try to nail down your deterministic twaddle. Do you believe that any of us have any choice or not? Do we have any free will at all?

Is there such a thing as "evil" in your books, or is everyone who is called "criminal" just ill (suffering a hormonal or genetic imbalance)?

Do you believe in human culpability at all -- should people ever be held responsible for their actions, or should we simply try to "cure" rapists, murderers and other criminals. If raping is in a rapist's genes or hormones would you condemn or want to punish someone who raped your 9 year-old-daughter (if you had one) or would you argue that what they did was "natural" (what is more natural than hormones or DNA) and encourage them?

And if you do draw a line somewhere, where do you draw it, and how do you determine that it should be there?

[Enobarbus]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

Let's switch views here for awhile. If gays happened to be the saved people in this world, and straights were abominations, damned to hell, could you become a lesbian to save your soul and force yourself to have sex with other women in which you could orgasm?

Yes, she could. In Godless New Zealand 41% of women admit to lezbianic relations at some stage in their lives, and the proportion of "bi" men is much higher than in the Godly USA. But there is no difference in the hormones or DNA of these Godless filth. It's a matter of choice -- it's what happens when God is mocked and neglected, and women (who are essentially sinful) are allowed to play too great a role in affairs of state.

Do you think that the occupants of Sodom and Gomorrah had different hormones or DNA from other people? No, they were simply sinful and God smote them and destroyed their cities.

Was the DNA and hormones of people in ancient Rome different?

What about the British Public Schools where proficiency in buggery is part of the curriculum? Do the British upper-classes have... wait a moment, this is a difficult one... let's leave that one, but you see my point, I'm sure.

Have you ever heard of "situational Homerism"? Have you heard of the reputaion sailors have -- what do depraved and sinful sailors who are locked away together for months at a time without any sheep or blow-up dolls get up to? The ones that are debauched and dissolute start having unnatural relations with each other.

It's a matter of choice M.D. A matter of choice.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

I said it may be curable. We're not that medically advanced yet. If you want to have a go at a human brain and to to figure it out, be my guest. As long as you do it humanely i.e. not getting me arrested. And it doesn't have anything to do with demons! It's a cerebral imbalance.

If it's curable -- as you said it is -- it's a disease. You don't "cure" normal things.

Hormone imbalances aren't "written in DNA". Hormone imbalances can be corrected.

And all your yammering about medical treatments to cure the disease of Homerism are meaningless. The answer to the question, "Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?" is still NO!

[M.D. (Quarantined)]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

Of course she could! Homerism is nothing but a choice!

So you agree that Homerism is a curable disease, and should be cured, but you differ with us on the methods.

See, I knew we had some common ground.

I'm glad you're pulling away from those Homer-lovers at the APA, who say Homerism is "natural variation", not an illness like schizophrenia (in which demons confuse the possessed victim, and cause him to subconsciously choose to activate the brain inappropriately, which mucks up perception as you've noted).

I said it may be curable. We're not that medically advanced yet. If you want to have a go at a human brain and to to figure it out, be my guest. As long as you do it humanely i.e. not getting me arrested. And it doesn't have anything to do with demons! It's a cerebral imbalance.

[M.D. (Quarantined)]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

I'm sorry, but you're being a hypocrite. Here you are telling these people how much you disagree with them, and yet at the same time you're calling homosexuality a disease to be cured.
I'm sorry, but homosexuality is natural. It is NOt a disease. It is not something to be cured, not an aberration, not an abomination, it is NATURAL.
In some cases it is a choice, but very few cases as opposed to those people who are born that way.

Of course it's natural. It's written in DNA. Imbalance of chromosomes and enzymes and hormones and such. There's nothing more natural in the human body than DNA. It's what makes us who we are. Even gays...How many times do I have to say it? Those who have the choice are bisexual or just curious usually. If we could change a human's DNA succesfully, we could more than likely change their sexual orientaion. That's what I meant by "cure". We already have changed prokaryotic cells. A little more knowledge of the human brain and we could change almost everything about a person. Possibly.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

I'm sorry, but you're being a hypocrite. Here you are telling these people how much you disagree with them, and yet at the same time you're calling homosexuality a disease to be cured.
I'm sorry, but homosexuality is natural. It is NOt a disease. It is not something to be cured, not an aberration, not an abomination, it is NATURAL.

I hate to tell you, but smallpox, tuberculosis and the bubonic plague are all natural as well - indeed, a good deal more natural than sodomy. Leaving aside the inherent irony of a woman who works outside the home trying to lecture others about what's natural and what's not, do you really think that smallpox can't be a disease?

[Lady Sorrow]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

The bible says gays are an abomination.

No other explanation is needed besides that one. Therefore, no one Godly could also be gay, because if it were possible, the bible would say so, and it doesn't.

Homers are a vile abomination. Lezbeans too.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

You do have a point. Rapists do have a chemical imbalance and a bit of psychosis, but that's nothing a few steriods and some psychiatric help can't handle. Usually it's a problem in their childhood, but that's not my area. Not into the whole psychological aspect of the situation.

Homosexuals on the other hand, can't change who they are. Atleast not yet anyway. Maybe in a couple of years we'll be able to understand the human brain enough to dissect and change it.
And you are correct in the stance that in certain aspects, we don't have free will. Improper balance of endorphins, walla...you're a manic depressive. Atrophy or degeneration in some brain areas and enlargement of ventricles, or abnormalities in chemical neurotransmitters the brain normally uses to communicate information, specifically the neurotransmitters dopamine and serotonin and their receptors resulting with overactivity in some parts of the brain and decreased activity in others responsible for different symptoms and you're schizophrenic. OF course schizo, being that one misinterprets objects, visions, people, etc., could see a pencil and think it's a machine gun. This could deeply affect one's free-will in some perspectives. But...Schizophrenia is treated with antipsychotic drugs used in the lowest effective doses. We haven't really cured homosexuality yet.

Control patient.


Schizophrenic patient.

I'm sorry, but you're being a hypocrite. Here you are telling these people how much you disagree with them, and yet at the same time you're calling homosexuality a disease to be cured.
I'm sorry, but homosexuality is natural. It is NOt a disease. It is not something to be cured, not an aberration, not an abomination, it is NATURAL.
In some cases it is a choice, but very few cases as opposed to those people who are born that way.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

Let's switch views here for awhile. If gays happened to be the saved people in this world, and straights were abominations, damned to hell, could you become a lesbian to save your soul and force yourself to have sex with other women in which you could orgasm?

Of course she could! Homerism is nothing but a choice!

You do have a point. Rapists do have a chemical imbalance and a bit of psychosis, but that's nothing a few steriods and some psychiatric help can't handle. Usually it's a problem in their childhood, but that's not my area. Not into the whole psychological aspect of the situation.

Homosexuals on the other hand, can't change who they are. Atleast not yet anyway. Maybe in a couple of years we'll be able to understand the human brain enough to dissect and change it.
And you are correct in the stance that in certain aspects, we don't have free will. Improper balance of endorphins, walla...you're a manic depressive. Atrophy or degeneration in some brain areas and enlargement of ventricles, or abnormalities in chemical neurotransmitters the brain normally uses to communicate information, specifically the neurotransmitters dopamine and serotonin and their receptors resulting with overactivity in some parts of the brain and decreased activity in others responsible for different symptoms and you're schizophrenic. OF course schizo, being that one misinterprets objects, visions, people, etc., could see a pencil and think it's a machine gun. This could deeply affect one's free-will in some perspectives. But...Schizophrenia is treated with antipsychotic drugs used in the lowest effective doses. We haven't really cured homosexuality yet.

Control patient.


Schizophrenic patient.

So you agree that Homerism is a curable disease, and should be cured, but you differ with us on the methods.

See, I knew we had some common ground.

I'm glad you're pulling away from those Homer-lovers at the APA, who say Homerism is "natural variation", not an illness like schizophrenia (in which demons confuse the possessed victim, and cause him to subconsciously choose to activate the brain inappropriately, which mucks up perception as you've noted).

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

Because you can't become Un-gay...It's written in DNA...

Two words: Ted and Haggard. If you think there's no such thing as an ex-gay, wouldn't you be better off visiting these people and telling them that they're horribly mistaken and they are headed for eternal damnation after all?

[M.D. (Quarantined)]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

Absolutely No!
It has already been explained to you that even if this garbage is true, it does not alter the fact that homers are an abomination in the eyes of the Lord and bound for the flames that are never quenched.

But apart from that, have you ever pondered the full implications of all this reductionist deterministic drivel?

So our behaviour is all governed by our brain chemistry and hormones? Can’t you see where this leads? It leads inevitably to not just the concept of free-will going out the window but any notion of culpability as well. If someone rapes your wife, daughter, and mother, it’s not his fault: his brain chemistry made him do it! He’s not a criminal who deserves punishment; rather he is just mentally ill or hormonally unbalanced and deserves our sympathy.

This is deterministic because it means there is no free-will and none of us have any control over our fate; and it is reductionist because you are reducing the human being to no more than a complicated machine – what about personality and consciousness? How do you explain them?

All this half-baked wannabe scientific cobblers you are spouting M.D won’t save you from the wrath of Almighty God on the day of judgement. You’ll be there with Hairy Homer, Richard Dawkins, etc and the lot of you will be tossed into everlasting torture.

I have a prescription for you, MD: take two aspirin, stop reading silly scientific books you don’t understand, and get yourself a copy of the KJV1611. Read the Word of God, MD. The Word of God will put you on the right track: the track to repentance and eventually forgiveness. It is up to you MD – up to you! It is Jesus or Burn MD. Jesus or Burn!

You do have a point. Rapists do have a chemical imbalance and a bit of psychosis, but that's nothing a few steriods and some psychiatric help can't handle. Usually it's a problem in their childhood, but that's not my area. Not into the whole psychological aspect of the situation.

Homosexuals on the other hand, can't change who they are. Atleast not yet anyway. Maybe in a couple of years we'll be able to understand the human brain enough to dissect and change it.
And you are correct in the stance that in certain aspects, we don't have free will. Improper balance of endorphins, walla...you're a manic depressive. Atrophy or degeneration in some brain areas and enlargement of ventricles, or abnormalities in chemical neurotransmitters the brain normally uses to communicate information, specifically the neurotransmitters dopamine and serotonin and their receptors resulting with overactivity in some parts of the brain and decreased activity in others responsible for different symptoms and you're schizophrenic. OF course schizo, being that one misinterprets objects, visions, people, etc., could see a pencil and think it's a machine gun. This could deeply affect one's free-will in some perspectives. But...Schizophrenia is treated with antipsychotic drugs used in the lowest effective doses. We haven't really cured homosexuality yet.

Control patient.


Schizophrenic patient.

[M.D. (Quarantined)]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

How about this: stop sticking your tallywhacker in people's bums. That's it. That's all you have to do. Is it really so complicated?

Let's switch views here for awhile. If gays happened to be the saved people in this world, and straights were abominations, damned to hell, could you become a lesbian to save your soul and force yourself to have sex with other women in which you could orgasm?

[Virginia Day Templeton]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

What's your proof? Minor things might be changed, but not so complex as homosexuality.

How about this: stop sticking your tallywhacker in people's bums. That's it. That's all you have to do. Is it really so complicated?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

What's your proof? Minor things might be changed, but not so complex as homosexuality.

There are many successful Christian programs that have taken disgusting limp-wristed homers and mustachioed bull-dykes into productive, normal citizens who praise Jesus every day hence. Probably the most well-known of these would be Sister Betty Bower's BASH program, which has an incredible success rate.

Homerism is nothing but a nasty habit, a filthy hobby taken up by those who don't know the Lord. Thank Jesus I never chose to waste my life in such perversion.