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  • Mrs. Mary Whitford
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    Mama Grizzly and formerly Sister Mary Maria
    True Christian™
    • Dec 2006
    • 12414

    #91
    Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

    How is this thread still going?

    "Is it possible to be both 'gay' and a Christian?" No!

    There. Done. How it's gone on for nine pages is beyond me.
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    • M.D.
      Disgusting Unsaved Trash Who is Using the Computer at Hellion's House!
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      • Mar 2007
      • 106

      #92
      Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

      Originally posted by Enobarbus View Post
      Can't you read. Go and look at the long post about the research done on the genetic basis of Homerism. It isn't, as a matter of fact, proven.

      Quite apart from that, let's try to nail down your deterministic twaddle. Do you believe that any of us have any choice or not? Do we have any free will at all?
      [color=red]In some cases yes, in some no. Example: You want to be a genious scientist, but you have Down Syndrome. It's no
      Is there such a thing as "evil" in your books, or is everyone who is called "criminal" just ill (suffering a hormonal or genetic imbalance)?

      Do you believe in human culpability at all -- should people ever be held responsible for their actions, or should we simply try to "cure" rapists, murderers and other criminals. If raping is in a rapist's genes or hormones would you condemn or want to punish someone who raped your 9 year-old-daughter (if you had one) or would you argue that what they did was "natural" (what is more natural than hormones or DNA) and encourage them?

      And if you do draw a line somewhere, where do you draw it, and how do you determine that it should be there?
      For one, it isn't medically proven but we're almost completely sure. We haven't studied homosexuality enough to prove it 100%. In the medical world, we don't really care that much about it. Secondly, I'm a medical doctor, not a philosopher or a psychologist. Most rapists, murderers, etc. are psychotic. They usually have been mentally disturbed somewhere down the line, were raised that way, or some other traumatic event. (Daddy hits mommy, raped as a child, abused scenarios...) They have something wrong with their mind, not their brain. Sometimes it's their brain (bipolar, schizo, drugs, etc.) but usually not. I do believe people who do wrong should be punished justly. If they know it's wrong: prison. If they can't decipher wrong from right/reality from fantasy: insane asylum. Either one is punishment according to most people.

      No, there is no such thing as evil in my book. There is civil and humane. The criminal should be punished, the insane (medical or psychological) should be either locked up and kept from harming others or themselves or put on medications if available and necessary. Therefore, the line is drawn to keep society safe. Even if it was written in their genes, you wouldn't let a psychotic criminal out in the world to hurt everyone they have a grudge against.

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      • M.D.
        Disgusting Unsaved Trash Who is Using the Computer at Hellion's House!
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        • Mar 2007
        • 106

        #93
        Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

        Originally posted by SalvationSeeker View Post
        DNA is a lie.
        Traits are produced in an entirely different way:

        And he set the rods which he had pilled before the flocks in the gutters in the watering troughs when the flocks came to drink,
        That they should conceive when they came to drink. And the flocks conceived before the rods, and brought forth cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted.
        Genesis 30:38-39



        Where's yours?
        I've yet to see you prove ANY of your claims!
        Are you only here to perscute Christians, or are you here for a genuine debate?
        If so, then give us your "proof" that you are right!
        I have theough medical studies. Look it up, I'm sure you'll find. You could probably even find a microscopic picture, but probably just a drawinf of DNA. But if you're going to play the religious card, then no one wins. Because you're to blind to believe anything even if it's showed to you and explained to you in detail.

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        • M.D.
          Disgusting Unsaved Trash Who is Using the Computer at Hellion's House!
          Please contact Brother Bobby Joe and the security team at the first sign of misbehaviour.
          • Mar 2007
          • 106

          #94
          Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

          Originally posted by Enobarbus View Post
          Yes, she could. In Godless New Zealand 41% of women admit to lezbianic relations at some stage in their lives, and the proportion of "bi" men is much higher than in the Godly USA. But there is no difference in the hormones or DNA of these Godless filth. It's a matter of choice -- it's what happens when God is mocked and neglected, and women (who are essentially sinful) are allowed to play too great a role in affairs of state.

          Do you think that the occupants of Sodom and Gomorrah had different hormones or DNA from other people? No, they were simply sinful and God smote them and destroyed their cities.

          Was the DNA and hormones of people in ancient Rome different?

          What about the British Public Schools where proficiency in buggery is part of the curriculum? Do the British upper-classes have... wait a moment, this is a difficult one... let's leave that one, but you see my point, I'm sure.

          Have you ever heard of "situational Homerism"? Have you heard of the reputaion sailors have -- what do depraved and sinful sailors who are locked away together for months at a time without any sheep or blow-up dolls get up to? The ones that are debauched and dissolute start having unnatural relations with each other.

          It's a matter of choice M.D. A matter of choice.
          Homosexuality has become very open and accepted in todays society. This newfound acceptance has led to curiosity in the sexual matter. But the true homosexuals are simply not attracted to the opposite sex. Not only that, they have either an inadequate or excess amount of testosterone. Testosterone gives women a male aspect and low testosterone gives males a female aspect, simply put. That's why women on steroids grow beards, and males with low testosterone like to wear dresses and make up and such. That's one theory. A less complex one anyway.

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          • Enobarbus
            Professor of English Landover University
            True Christian™
            • Sep 2006
            • 3496

            #95
            Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

            Originally posted by M.D. View Post
            Homosexuality has become very open and accepted in todays society. This newfound acceptance has led to curiosity in the sexual matter. But the true homosexuals are simply not attracted to the opposite sex. Not only that, they have either an inadequate or excess amount of testosterone. Testosterone gives women a male aspect and low testosterone gives males a female aspect, simply put. That's why women on steroids grow beards, and males with low testosterone like to wear dresses and make up and such. That's one theory. A less complex one anyway.
            >>>Not only that, they have either an inadequate or excess amount of testosterone.<<<<

            Where in the name of heaven did you get this from? Can you produce any evidence for it? Cite a paper or give us a Web link?

            Some have suggested that there is a difference in homers brains, some have suggested a genetic link -- but an inadequate amount of testosterone?

            You must be joking. Testosterone will cause changes but it won't alter sexual orientation. Many homer men are weight lifters and sportsmen; they don't have inadequate levels of testosterone.

            There was a depraved sinner in the Australian Rugby League who was considered the toughest guy in a very tough league. He admitted being in love with a salesman. God will punish him, but he does not have inadequate levels of testosterone.
            Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

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            • Brother Temperance
              Senior Usher
              True Christian™ missionary to the Unsaved Kingdom
              A very nice young man
              True Christian™
              • Sep 2006
              • 15621

              #96
              Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

              Originally posted by M.D. View Post
              I do believe people who do wrong should be punished justly. If they know it's wrong: prison. If they can't decipher wrong from right/reality from fantasy: insane asylum. Either one is punishment according to most people.
              So you admit homers should be locked up in prison or an insane asylum? I'm glad you seem to be making some progress here.
              Originally posted by M.D. View Post
              But if you're going to play the religious card, then no one wins. Because you're to blind to believe anything even if it's showed to you and explained to you in detail.
              Then why are you here? You don't see us going to hellboundseculiarhumanistsodomiteswitharagingpassi onforricharddawkins.org and telling everyone there "If you're going to play the scientific card, then no one wins. Because you're too blind to believe anything even if the relevant Bible verse is shown to you and explained to you in detail."
              Originally posted by M.D. View Post
              Homosexuality has become very open and accepted in todays society. This newfound acceptance has led to curiosity in the sexual matter. But the true homosexuals are simply not attracted to the opposite sex. Not only that, they have either an inadequate or excess amount of testosterone.
              So you admit that it's socially and culturally determined, but it's still biologically determined? Right. I see.
              O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.



              God being truth, justice, goodness, beauty, power, and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence, and death. God being master, man is the slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his own effort, he can attain them only through a divine revelation... he who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter, but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.

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              • OnYourKnees
                On Extended Furlough
                True Christian™
                • Nov 2006
                • 4729

                #97
                Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

                Originally posted by M.D. View Post
                Not only that, they have either an inadequate or excess amount of testosterone. Testosterone gives women a male aspect and low testosterone gives males a female aspect, simply put. That's why women on steroids grow beards, and males with low testosterone like to wear dresses and make up and such. That's one theory. A less complex one anyway.
                An idiotic one, anyway. Where DID you get this nonsense? REFERENCES, PLEASE.

                If Homerism were the result of low/high testosterone levels, then a SHOT could fix them! Women (Homer or not) go on estrogen therapy all the time. Men who have damaged stones (cancer, etc.) go on testosterone all the time. Correcting a HORMONAL imbalance is easily accomplished. Any actual "medical doctor" would know that.

                How do you explain all the male Homers on steroids, dimwit? They're pumped full of synthetic testosterone, and still buggering other men! Or even GETTING buggered!

                Do you really think the only Homers are the prancing queens and biker bulldykes you see in your wet dreams and on TV? Why, ten percent of married men in the US reported same-sex sexual contact in 2006! Are they all a bunch of dress-wearing nellies, like the ones you "polish your gun" thinking about, with wives who just don't notice that their dresses are all stretched out?

                How about that big burly Negro basketball star who came out of the closet to announce that he, too, has demons in his colon? Is he wearing a dress?

                Not only are you not a medical doctor, you're not half as intelligent as you think you are. The theory that you are so woefully mutilating states that Homerism may be the result of HORMONAL FLUCTUATIONS IN THE WOMB. The MOTHER'S hormones, not the HOMER'S hormones.

                We, of course, know the truth! Homerism, pure and simple, is caused by GOD. In the book of Romans, Paul explains that God makes idolators into Homers to punish them.

                Romans 1:22-27

                22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

                23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
                24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
                25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
                26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error, which was meat.
                I suggest you stop "playing doctor" with your roommates and making up "science" and start reading the Good Book!

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                • SalvationSeeker
                  True Christian™ Theologian
                  Forum Member
                  • Sep 2006
                  • 3892

                  #98
                  Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

                  Originally posted by M.D. View Post
                  I have theough medical studies. Look it up, I'm sure you'll find. You could probably even find a microscopic picture, but probably just a drawinf of DNA. But if you're going to play the religious card, then no one wins. Because you're to blind to believe anything even if it's showed to you and explained to you in detail.
                  A drawing?
                  I am to take a DRAWING (or a photoshopped "picture") as proof?
                  I can draw something too, but what does that prove?.. Do you silly secularists even accept drawings as proof nowadays?

                  And that you've studied it doesn't prove anything, or do you reckon that it has to be genuine just because you've studied it?
                  Last edited by SalvationSeeker; 03-30-2007, 05:22 PM.
                  If thou be wise, thou shalt be wise for thyself: But if thou scornest, thou alone shalt bear it.
                  A foolish woman is clamorous: She is simple, and knoweth nothing.
                  Proverbs 9:12-13

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                  • Brother Temperance
                    Senior Usher
                    True Christian™ missionary to the Unsaved Kingdom
                    A very nice young man
                    True Christian™
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 15621

                    #99
                    Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

                    Originally posted by SalvationSeeker View Post
                    A drawing?
                    I am to take a DRAWING (or a photoshopped "picture") as proof?
                    I can draw something too, but what does that prove?.. Do you silly secularists even accept drawings as proof nowadays?

                    And that you've studied it doesn't prove anything, or do you reckon that it has to be genuine just because you've studied it?
                    I knew that seculiar scientists like to play God, but I didn't realise it'd gotten this bad - this fool seems to think that he can just say "let there be evidence for a biological basis for homerism" and there will be such evidence.
                    O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.



                    God being truth, justice, goodness, beauty, power, and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence, and death. God being master, man is the slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his own effort, he can attain them only through a divine revelation... he who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter, but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.

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                    • bonzo2
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 144

                      #100
                      Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

                      Originally posted by OnYourKnees View Post
                      Apparently, sarcasm is beyond you.

                      And you!!

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                      • M.D.
                        Disgusting Unsaved Trash Who is Using the Computer at Hellion's House!
                        Please contact Brother Bobby Joe and the security team at the first sign of misbehaviour.
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 106

                        #101
                        Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

                        Originally posted by Enobarbus View Post
                        >>>Not only that, they have either an inadequate or excess amount of testosterone.<<<<

                        Where in the name of heaven did you get this from? Can you produce any evidence for it? Cite a paper or give us a Web link?

                        Some have suggested that there is a difference in homers brains, some have suggested a genetic link -- but an inadequate amount of testosterone?

                        You must be joking. Testosterone will cause changes but it won't alter sexual orientation. Many homer men are weight lifters and sportsmen; they don't have inadequate levels of testosterone.

                        There was a depraved sinner in the Australian Rugby League who was considered the toughest guy in a very tough league. He admitted being in love with a salesman. God will punish him, but he does not have inadequate levels of testosterone.
                        Yes! Testosterone is what gives men their sex drive! Women too, a matter of fact. Women actually secrete little amounts of testosterone especially during their menstrual cycle. That's why the side effects of certain birth control can stop the secretion of this testosterone, causing them to have little or no sex drive.

                        Also, testosterone is effected by the genetics in a person. The DNA is responsible for what amount of testosterone (and estrogen) a person makes. A lack or excess of these hormone levels can determine sexual characteristics.

                        By the way, here's your link. I took the first one I saw, hope you don't mind. http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neur...2/Bodian2.html

                        You genetics can also determine the shape of your figure. Ever heard of Klinefelter's syndrome or Turner's syndrome?

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                        • M.D.
                          Disgusting Unsaved Trash Who is Using the Computer at Hellion's House!
                          Please contact Brother Bobby Joe and the security team at the first sign of misbehaviour.
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 106

                          #102
                          Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

                          Originally posted by Brother Temperance View Post
                          So you admit homers should be locked up in prison or an insane asylum? I'm glad you seem to be making some progress here.
                          [color=red]The criminally insane should be locked up only if they hurt others or endanger themselves. And "damning themselves to hell" doesn't count...[color=red]

                          Then why are you here? You don't see us going to hellboundseculiarhumanistsodomiteswitharagingpassi onforricharddawkins.org and telling everyone there "If you're going to play the scientific card, then no one wins. Because you're too blind to believe anything even if the relevant Bible verse is shown to you and explained to you in detail."
                          You have a point. I'm just here to explain my version of the situation. Perhaps you'll come to find it true, perhaps not. It's your will, not mine.

                          So you admit that it's socially and culturally determined, but it's still biologically determined? Right. I see.
                          Confused you, did I? I'm not surprised... I meant it could be either. But for the true genetically gay, there's no hope unless there's a medical breakthrough or they miracuously learn to change their own DNA. Or maybe it's God's will...

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                          • OnYourKnees
                            On Extended Furlough
                            True Christian™
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 4729

                            #103
                            Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

                            Originally posted by M.D. View Post
                            Yes! Testosterone is what gives men their sex drive! Women too, a matter of fact. Women actually secrete little amounts of testosterone especially during their menstrual cycle. That's why the side effects of certain birth control can stop the secretion of this testosterone, causing them to have little or no sex drive.

                            Also, testosterone is effected by the genetics in a person. The DNA is responsible for what amount of testosterone (and estrogen) a person makes. A lack or excess of these hormone levels can determine sexual characteristics.

                            By the way, here's your link. I took the first one I saw, hope you don't mind. http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neur...2/Bodian2.html

                            You genetics can also determine the shape of your figure. Ever heard of Klinefelter's syndrome or Turner's syndrome?
                            Nobody said that testosterone or estrogen levels don't influence secondary sexual characteristics or libido.

                            However, they do not influence sexual orientation.

                            As I already informed you, the theory you are mutilating in your ignorance is that the HOMER'S MOTHER has a hormonal imbalance DURING PREGNANCY, which causes differences in BRAIN STRUCTURE in the fetus. In fact, that's what the PAPER YOU QUOTED says. Can you not read? "Pre-natal" means "before birth". Your reference's concluding paragraph:

                            It is crucial to consider that personality and behavior are more than simple chemical reactions. While prenatal over-androgenization or estrogenization could potentially be one of the many underlying causes of homosexuality, this has only been shown in certain cases, largely those in which chemical abnormalities have caused effeminate or masculinizing behavioral (and in some cases physical) traits. The studies discussed herein cannot account for the physiological characteristics of every member of the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered community. It is also possible that the amounts of hormones studied are not abnormal, but fall somewhere in the spectrum of human sexuality.
                            You're an ignorant imbecile who can't even comprehend the "scientific" papers you quote. Kindly stop trying, you only make yourself a fool.

                            Further, and this is an ORDER,

                            Stop using GOD'S FAVORITE FORUM to promote your bigotry and intolerance under the guise of "science"!

                            Besides, we know from the Bible that God makes them Homers because their parents were idolators. Read Romans 1:22-27.
                            Last edited by OnYourKnees; 04-01-2007, 02:04 AM.

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                            • M.D.
                              Disgusting Unsaved Trash Who is Using the Computer at Hellion's House!
                              Please contact Brother Bobby Joe and the security team at the first sign of misbehaviour.
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 106

                              #104
                              Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

                              Originally posted by OnYourKnees View Post
                              An idiotic one, anyway. Where DID you get this nonsense? REFERENCES, PLEASE.

                              If Homerism were the result of low/high testosterone levels, then a SHOT could fix them! Women (Homer or not) go on estrogen therapy all the time. Men who have damaged stones (cancer, etc.) go on testosterone all the time. Correcting a HORMONAL imbalance is easily accomplished. Any actual "medical doctor" would know that.

                              How do you explain all the male Homers on steroids, dimwit? They're pumped full of synthetic testosterone, and still buggering other men! Or even GETTING buggered!

                              Do you really think the only Homers are the prancing queens and biker bulldykes you see in your wet dreams and on TV? Why, ten percent of married men in the US reported same-sex sexual contact in 2006! Are they all a bunch of dress-wearing nellies, like the ones you "polish your gun" thinking about, with wives who just don't notice that their dresses are all stretched out?

                              How about that big burly Negro basketball star who came out of the closet to announce that he, too, has demons in his colon? Is he wearing a dress?

                              Not only are you not a medical doctor, you're not half as intelligent as you think you are. The theory that you are so woefully mutilating states that Homerism may be the result of HORMONAL FLUCTUATIONS IN THE WOMB. The MOTHER'S hormones, not the HOMER'S hormones.

                              We, of course, know the truth! Homerism, pure and simple, is caused by GOD. In the book of Romans, Paul explains that God makes idolators into Homers to punish them.



                              I suggest you stop "playing doctor" with your roommates and making up "science" and start reading the Good Book!
                              You honestly don't listen to anyting I say, do you? There are many theories! There could possibly be more than one cause of homosexuality.
                              Also, some people are bisexual, some are curious, some are just horny,and some are actually genetically gay and can't help it.

                              And testosterone (synthetic or otherwise) is also a sex drive. They're probably just horny.

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                              • OnYourKnees
                                On Extended Furlough
                                True Christian™
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 4729

                                #105
                                Re: Is it possible to be both "gay" and a Christian?

                                Originally posted by M.D. View Post
                                But the true homosexuals are simply not attracted to the opposite sex. Not only that, they have either an inadequate or excess amount of testosterone. Testosterone gives women a male aspect and low testosterone gives males a female aspect, simply put. That's why women on steroids grow beards, and males with low testosterone like to wear dresses and make up and such.
                                Originally posted by M.D. View Post
                                You honestly don't listen to anyting I say, do you? There are many theories! There could possibly be more than one cause of homosexuality.
                                Also, some people are bisexual, some are curious, some are just horny,and some are actually genetically gay and can't help it.

                                And testosterone (synthetic or otherwise) is also a sex drive. They're probably just horny.
                                You contradict yourself more than the Koran.

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