[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Focus on the Family: how to cure your gay son

Indeed!

Mark 11:13-22 gives us not one, but two fine examples of Jesus' patience:

Example 1: Jesus is patient with a fig tree.
Example 2: Jesus is patient with the moneychangers and merchants.

Excellent preaching. After all, we speak of The Patience of Job, not the Patience of Jesus. The last thing Jesus says in the Bible is "Behold, I come QUICKLY!"

That's why we are living the final days TODAY! Jesus doesn't have the pathience to return on some later days. He is returning in THESE final days: (Mt.16:28, Mt.23:36, Mt.24:34, Mt.26:64, Mk.9:1, Mk.13:30, Lk.9:27, Lk.21:32, Phil.4:5, Heb.1:2, Rev.22:20).

[thefather]

Re: Focus on the Family: how to cure your gay son

Reverend M. Rodimer,

AMEN!

thefather ( a.k.a.) jesus4life

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Focus on the Family: how to cure your gay son

We believers need the patience of JESUS in ministry, walk, and life.

Indeed!

Mark 11:13-22 gives us not one, but two fine examples of Jesus' patience:

13 And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet.

14 And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it.

15 And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves;

16 And would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple.

17 And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.

18 And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine.

19 And when even was come, he went out of the city.

20 And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots.

21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.

22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.

Example 1: Jesus is patient with a fig tree.
Example 2: Jesus is patient with the moneychangers and merchants.

[thefather]

Re: Focus on the Family: how to cure your gay son

TO ALL,

Heaven will be a very funny place. Lets remember, change takes time. We are born with a sin nature, and are tempted to do more sin. Some ( unfortunately) are forced into sin. No one knows what people go through in their lives behind closed doors at their homes, schools, jobs, etc....It's sad what many people go through and dont talk about that has effected their existence here on this earth. Change takes time. We believers need the patience of JESUS in ministry, walk, and life. We are to spread the gospel in love to change the hearts of those in the blindness of sin. These are the lost sheep. Our ministry should eventually bring them back. Some will be forever lost, but thats up to GOD. We still must minister in love!! Please read and remember:

Matthew 5:8
8Blessed [are] the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

1 CORINTHINANS 1:27-31:
27But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, [yea], and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

EZEKIAL 18:25-32
25Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?
26When a righteous [man] turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
27Again, when the wicked [man] turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
28Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
29Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?
30Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn [yourselves] from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
31Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
32For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn [yourselves], and live ye.

Heaven will be an interesting place!!

jesus4life

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Focus on the Family: how to cure your gay son

i hope that my son doe's not become gay

Don't worry - once you tell him not to then, if he disobeys you, God has commanded that he should be killed (and also for being gay of course).

Deuteronomy 21:18,19,21 . Leviticus 20:13-15 . I Peter 2:13-15

God tells us to obey earthly laws, and He sometimes stirs up even heathen rulers in accordance with His will as we know from The Bible. Disobedient &/or homosexual children will be on God's list for smiting at the appropriate time by any expedient He chooses. Hallelujah!

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Focus on the Family: how to cure your gay son

i hope that my son doe's not become gay

Fear not, miss. Our Savior Jesus Christ tells us, "And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." (Luke 11:9) If you are indeed a True Christian, then Jesus will surely love your son and keep the gay demons away from him.

[MissTracy]

Re: Focus on the Family: how to cure your gay son

i hope that my son doe's not become gay

[thefather]

Re: Focus on the Family: how to cure your gay son

Mitz,

GOD BLESS US ALL! This is not a prayer, but a statement to remind people that we are all blessed to be alive, talking, walking, etc... It's a call to GOD to remind us we are here and to be thankful of HIS blessing of life and all.

If you see it as a prayer, then, I would say it's a good one, because it says " ALL!!" , and it's not normal someone prays for us all.

My normal prayer is the LORD's PRAYER as JESUS told us " after this manner you pray...". Now, did HE say to repeat it only once?? Or did HE say, " after this manner pray....??". I will give the passage below. A manner is an action. An action is something everyone does more than once. Prayer is an action. GOD loves prayer. So, when JESUS suggests our manner to pray, HE does not mean once. . So, when ever we pray, because we dont know what to pray, JESUS says to pray the Lord's Prayer.

TO keep repeating the LORDS PRAYER would be a vain repetition then. So, now is JESUS vain?? Be careful what you say here. Not be careful to me, because I didnt make you or know you. But if you are truly a believer, then be careful what you say, as GOD is always listening ( but that should have made a difference a long time ago on some of these comments).

Their is a difference between a greeting, wish, hope, statement, and a prayer. I dont really pray openly to be noticed, as JESUS says, thats vain. I Only pray openly when someone asks for a prayer, in church, or with believers that are praying. This is the right way according to GOD and HIS WORD.

If you dont understand after this email, then, you have a " human " right to believe what you believe. As JESUS says, " They that have an ear let them hear!!".


Jesus says, " They that have an ear let them hear":
Mark 4:9
9 And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

JESUS taught us how to pray:
Matthew 6:8-13
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Praying openly for attention, glory, and notariety is vain:
Matthew 6:1-7
1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2 Therefore when thou doest [thine] alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.


Though people think they know what GOD thinks and think they know someone's heart; only GOD knows. Our thoughts are no where near HIS thoughts, because we are sinners and rely on our flesh to judge. GOD blesses everyone anyway. As it rains and shines on the evil and the good:

ISAIAH 55:8-10
8 For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:



We are all sinners to GOD and HE sees all we have done in our lives. HE knows where we all have to work to in our lives. I PRAY all are working to that point.
Jermiah 8:9-13

9 The wise [men] are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom [is] in them?
10 Therefore will I give their wives unto others, [and] their fields to them that shall inherit [them]: for every one from the least even unto the greatest is given to covetousness, from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely.
11 For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when [there is] no peace.
12 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore shall they fall among them that fall: in the time of their visitation they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.
13 I will surely consume them, saith the LORD: [there shall be] no grapes on the vine, nor figs on the fig tree, and the leaf shall fade; and [the things that] I have given them shall pass away from them.

Greetings, hopes, and statements of believers in CHRIST:

Paul:
1 Corinthians 1:3
Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and [from] the Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 1:2
2 Grace [be] to you and peace from God our Father, and [from] the Lord Jesus Christ.

in the same place ( Corinth). He is using GOD and JESUS name. It's just a greeeting, statement, and a way to show love to people in meeting them and leaving them. The heart is the intent. The heart is what matters. If you feel its a prayer and it's repetitive, then many in the BIBLE are seriously vain ( of course they are not!!). OF course they are not, but from your understanding the would be. But, they are not.

The comments and all are beautiful for me as the HOLY SPIRIT just sent me a passage for that. This is why I love the LORD so much. HE has had me trust in HIM for many years ( unconsciously and not very consciously):
Matthew 5:11-12
11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.



Jesus says, " They that have an ear let them hear":
Mark 4:9
9 And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Blessings unto you,

thefather

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Focus on the Family: how to cure your gay son

Originally Posted by thefather
Everyone is in different levels of faith. Not everyone can be a minister, pastor, evangelist, etc......Yet when we see people that minister the WORDin their various positions we should support and edify them. We are here to minister the WORD to the world; not run from them. Christ did not run from us. We have to try first before we walk away.

Yes, God tells us that there are different gifts of the spirit: I Corinthians 12:4.

Earlier in your post

The interpretations that I was mentioning was not about prophecy.

(the actual passage resolves what "prophecy" includes:

II Peter 1:16-21 For wee haue not followed cunningly deuised fables, when wee made knowen vnto you the power and comming of our Lord Iesus Christ, but were eye witnesses of his Maiestie. For hee receiued from God the Father, honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloued Sonne in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heauen wee heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. We haue also a more sure word of prophecie, whereunto yee doe well that ye take heede, as vnto a light that shineth in a darke place, vntill the day dawne, and the day starre arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any priuate Interpretation: For the prophecie came not in olde time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moued by the holy Ghost.
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and

It was interpreations or better yet comprehensions people have that makes them push for their opinions on what they THINK people are saying.

Where God's Spirit reveals The Truth there is no room for opinion: II Corinthians 12:9.

The Bible is not about what we THINK God is saying. The Bible IS what He is saying.

Proverbs 30:5 Euery word of God is pure: he is a shield vnto them that put their trust in him.
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Any phrase towards GOD is for prayer. I know you did not say that??

That's right. I didn't say that. But a clear statement addressed to God is a prayer. You mentioned false prophets and the travesty of the prayers they encourage. So did Jesus: Matthew 6:7.

I never feel darkness. It is not necessary to reason that if God is not deaf then He has already heard your prayer and there is no point repeating it - because He has told us not to do it, referring specifically to the way heathens pray. If you read the rest of the chapter there is more information about heathens, all of whom I'm sure you'll agree are abominable and depraved. It is not a matter of "observing" them - it's impossible to avoid seeing their lascivious urges flaunted abroad every time you walk past an esplanade coffee shop or even when swimming in the sea! It is just disgusting.

That is why I am anxious when I see vain repetitions - and if unnecessarily so, it's as well to be cautious
when the alternative is HELL FOREVER

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Focus on the Family: how to cure your gay son

You are barely making sense, pal. Is your son a queer?

[thefather]

Re: Focus on the Family: how to cure your gay son

Mitz,

GOD BLESS US ALL! The interpretations that I was mentioning was not about prophecy. It was interpreations or better yet comprehensions people have that makes them push for their opinions on what they THINK people are saying. That is all. But, the passage 2 Peter 1:20 is very popular when used correctly.

Any phrase towards GOD is for prayer. I know you did not say that?? If that's the case, when a false prophet uses GOD's name is it for a prayer?

This is why its best to know that GOD knows the heart.

Its unfortunate you see life in such a way. If some says GOD BLESS US ALL and you feel darkness, but that person loves the LORD?? Well, then you have to look within yourself.

As far as having an excuse for not knowing the WORD!! LOL!! GOD has had me show that one. No excuses here, and in humility, I say," I know nothing!!". HE blesses me with the WORD!! If you feel you " know " the WORD, then, may the clay make the potter.

LOL! Equally yoked means not to worship with them. As I said, " GOD had me minister ( teach) them!!". Remember JESUS mentions for us to try, then when rejected we move on. I havent been rejected yet, and many Catholics have opened their heart and learning. Opinions are not rejections ( or else no one would talk). Also, having enough love to see if the person was just taught wrong is not rejection.

Try and be rejected:
Luke 1:1-10
1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
2 Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly [is] great, but the labourers [are] few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest.
3 Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.
4 Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way.
5 And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace [be] to this house.
6 And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again.
7 And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.
8 And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you:
9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
10 But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say,
11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.


Everyone is in different levels of faith. Not everyone can be a minister, pastor, evangelist, etc......Yet when we see people that minister the WORDin their various positions we should support and edify them. We are here to minister the WORD to the world; not run from them. Christ did not run from us. We have to try first before we walk away.

thefather

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Focus on the Family: how to cure your gay son

Mitza,

GOD BLESS US ALL! I love the talk and the interpretations.

Let's have a look at what God says about that: II Peter 1:20 is a well known verse which is often quoted. You don't seem to have heard of it before. There are people around who have "their own" interpreteration of God's Revelation - an interpretation not based upon the rock of God's Word. Of course they don't want anyone to read that verse! They therefore have produced such a sewer-jam of dogmatised lemmings that even The Elect might be deceived (if that were possible) - but it is not possible.
Praise Him! Mark 13:22

Vain repetitions is not what you thought. Jesus is referring to prayers. GOD BLESS US ALL is not a prayer, it's a greeting.

Vain repetitions
Matthew 6:7
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

MARY ( I was referring to the one HE forgave, the one that washed HIS feet, that woman). I pray that you are clear now.

IF you are unclear on the reply, then read again or continue to ask questions.

I told someone that GOD sent me to a Catholic website to minister to them. Ministering to them, they were using the word Mary Magdaelene with the same understanding of the story of the "woman" I am mentioning. So in ministering to them ( successfully!!! PRAISE JESUS), they understood their wrong ( at least those GOD had me speak to) concerning the subject talked about. IT was great to be used by GOD in that conversation. The conversation was long and stuck in my brain. We went back and forth so long that I was used to using that name. So, that's why I apologized to someon for using the name after GOD brought me here. But, I also told the person that they knew what I meant and knew the story.

The GOD gods comment you made, I think doesnt apply now. Especially as you see what Mary I am talking about.


I pray GOD has you understand that now.

CHRISTIAN site?? Yes, I know. As I also told someone else, " I use the KJV and read it day and night".



thefather.

"God bless us all" is a sentence in the imperative mood with a subject = God, a verb = to bless, and an object = us all. Any sentence addressed to God containing requests or demands is a prayer.

Familiarity with environments where people mutter such things all the time might help to explain your unawareness but does not excuse it. If you read The Bible you would know that the tenets of demonic Roman catholicism are all false. Everything it pronounces is the exact opposite of Biblical teaching. If you have started reading The Bible then I hope you realise (soon) that Christians are not permitted to associate with catholics.

The Church at Corinth was similarly polluted with fornication, idolatry and odious vices. Jesus personally appeared to Paul and sent him on to the Corinthians with these words:

II CORINTHIANS 6
11 O yee Corinthians, our mouth is open vnto you, our heart is enlarged.
12 Yee are not straitened in vs, but yee are straitned in your owne bowels.
13 Nowe for a recompense in the same, (I speake as vnto my children) be ye also inlarged.
14 Be ye not vnequally yoked together with vnbeleeuers: for what fellowship hath righteousnesse with vnrighteousnesse? and what communion hath light with darknesse?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that beleeueth, with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the Temple of God with idoles? for ye are the Temple of the liuing God, as God hath saide, I will dwell in them, and walke in them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and bee yee separate, saieth the Lord, and touch not the vncleane thing, and I will receiue you,
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Heathens are like automata: they don't have minds as such: they are operated by satan and generate any expedient lie to further his cause whether it makes sense or not. Heathens have no communion with Jesus; once you've heard one you've heard them all: obviously anyone called Mary who is a Christian has had her sins forgiven. She has chosen life. Catholicism is death.

[thefather]

Re: Focus on the Family: how to cure your gay son

Mitza,

GOD BLESS US ALL! I love the talk and the interpretations. It helps ministry to talk here ( in some ways!!)!! LOL!!

Vain repetitions is not what you thought. Jesus is referring to prayers. GOD BLESS US ALL is not a prayer, it's a greeting.

Vain repetitions
Matthew 6:7
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

MARY ( I was referring to the one HE forgave, the one that washed HIS feet, that woman). I pray that you are clear now.

IF you are unclear on the reply, then read again or continue to ask questions.

I told someone that GOD sent me to a Catholic website to minister to them. Ministering to them, they were using the word Mary Magdaelene with the same understanding of the story of the "woman" I am mentioning. So in ministering to them ( successfully!!! PRAISE JESUS), they understood their wrong ( at least those GOD had me speak to) concerning the subject talked about. IT was great to be used by GOD in that conversation. The conversation was long and stuck in my brain. We went back and forth so long that I was used to using that name. So, that's why I apologized to someon for using the name after GOD brought me here. But, I also told the person that they knew what I meant and knew the story.

The GOD gods comment you made, I think doesnt apply now. Especially as you see what Mary I am talking about.


I pray GOD has you understand that now.

CHRISTIAN site?? Yes, I know. As I also told someone else, " I use the KJV and read it day and night".



thefather.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Focus on the Family: how to cure your gay son

A post from thefather reads like those devil pages in catholic newspapers where deluded freaks publish testimonials to corpses for "answering" their "prayers"

I bet they scoff at the gooks for ancestor-worshipping as well. Bloody hypocrites!

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Focus on the Family: how to cure your gay son

..GOD BLESS US ALL!

Matthew 6:7 God explains that vain repetitions are a hallmark of heathenism.

You have to excuse me for answering with Mary Magdalene, because GOD† had me ministering on a Catholic website about Mary to them*.

Well I was going to quote from your previous post but I've forgotten about that now. Are you aware that this is a Christian site? It is difficult to understand what your sentence means exactly but the general idea seems to be that you were on a catholic website. Which Mary did what is unclear and *them relates to †GOD so that I glean that you were ministering

about a Mary
to a God or Gods


via an idolatrous site


what sort of communication link do you think would be set up that way?