[napa valley nan]

Re: Catholic Church welcomes the gays/lesbians/bi's

Well just so you know, Cathlics are most popular church in America (I think) and youre LOSING ground when they come out as pro- lesbians/gays/bi's Just so you know. Because they have what's called The Visibility
.

[napa valley nan]

So there: Bankruptcy Court rules DOMA unconstitutional

Yes I will say it again "

Again this is the losing battle and witch side of history do you want to be on. When its getting to the place where U.S. Bankrucy Court is throwing out "Defense" or Marriage Act, then you know it is just a hoipping skipping jump over to the IRS and you cannot fight tax office
[quote]
The court’s conclusion:

The court concludes that dismissal of the bankruptcy case will not advance any of the following
governmental interests:
● Encouraging responsible procreating and child-bearing (the Debtors have
no children, and even if they did, there is no basis in the evidence or
authorities to conclude that Debtors’ joint bankruptcy filing would affect
Debtors’ children (if any, later) differently from children in other “traditional”
joint bankruptcy cases);

● Defending or nurturing the institution of traditional heterosexual marriage
(the Debtors are already married to each other, and allowing them to
proceed jointly in this bankruptcy case cannot have the slightest
cognizable effect on anyone else’s marriage);

● Defending traditional notions of morality (the Debtors’ joint bankruptcy
filing is in no sense discernible to the court to be a validly challengeable
affront to morality, traditional or otherwise, under the Fifth Amendment); or

● Preserving scarce resources (no governmental resources are implicated
by the Debtors’ bankruptcy case different from the resources brought to
bear routinely in thousands upon thousands of joint bankruptcy cases filed
over the years).

I am no lawyer but it seems pretty clear,
I will say it again (not my words from the article): "

The Debtors have demonstrated that DOMA violates their equal protection rights afforded under the Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution, either under heightened scrutiny or under rational basis review. Debtors also have demonstrated that there is no valid governmental basis for DOMA.
In the end, the court finds that DOMA violates the equal protection rights of the Debtors as recognized under the due process clause of the Fifth Amendment. No one expressed the Debtors’ view as pertinent to this simple bankruptcy case more eloquently and profoundly than Justice William O. Douglas in the concluding paragraph of his opinion for the majority in Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479, 486(1965):

“We deal with a right of privacy older than the Bill of Rights—older than our political parties, older than our school system. Marriage is a coming together for better or for worse, hopefully enduring, and intimate to the degree of being sacred. It is an association that promotes a way of life, not causes; a harmony in living, not in political faiths; a bilateral loyalty, not commercial or social projects. Yet it is an association for as noble a purpose as any involved in our prior decisions.”

Upon consideration of the pleadings and all other materials filed in this case, and for good cause shown, the court finds that the Debtors satisfy every legal requirement to pursue their joint petition as filed pursuant to § 302(a). For the reasons stated herein and in the Debtors’ Opposition to the Motion and Debtors’ supporting authorities, the Motion to Dismiss Debtors’ chapter 13 case based on § 1307© is denied. "

[Kristin Marlow]

Re: Catholic Church welcomes the gays/lesbians/bi's

Find a story where an Independent-Fundamentalist-Conservative-Republican Baptist Church support homosexuality, then we'll talk. (The Rature will come looonnnnng before you find one )

[New Creation (Recalcitrant)]

Re: Catholic Church welcomes the gays/lesbians/bi's

Find a story where an Independent-Fundamentalist-Conservative-Republican Baptist Church support homosexuality, then we'll talk. (The Rature will come looonnnnng before you find one )

And I'm sure after the Rapture she'll be much to busy fighting for her life to continue her research.

[Kristin Marlow]

Re: So there: Bankruptcy Court rules DOMA unconstitutional

I've never been good in the legal mumbo-jumbo. Could a True Christian© pastor explain this to me, please?

[napa valley nan]

Re: Catholic Church welcomes the gays/lesbians/bi's

Find a story where an Independent-Fundamentalist-Conservative-Republican Baptist Church support homosexuality, then we'll talk. (The Rature will come looonnnnng before you find one )

okay fine, try this on for size: http://www.rainbowbaptists.org/

Rainbow Baptists is a website providing support, information and advocacy for gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender and queer identified Baptists, their family and friends. Rainbow Baptists is an outreach ministry of The Association of Welcoming & Affirming Baptists (AWA.

Please check out Rainbow Baptists and the official AWAB website, www.wabaptists.org. In addition to onsite information we have links to other LGBT Christian related websites; search engines, news sites, and more. We hope Rainbow Baptists and the official AWAB site can be your starting places for Christian gay and lesbian related information.

[Nobar King]

Re: Catholic Church welcomes the gays/lesbians/bi's

There is no such thing as a rainbow Baptist.

[napa valley nan]

Re: So there: Bankruptcy Court rules DOMA unconstitutional

I've never been good in the legal mumbo-jumbo. Could a True Christian© pastor explain this to me, please?

basically means the Games Over and Defense of Marriages Act will fall on you if everyone doesnt get out of the way an jus let it happen

[napa valley nan]

Re: Catholic Church welcomes the gays/lesbians/bi's

There is no such thing as a rainbow Baptist.

Read article again and you can even go to link and see itss real. They have official emblem. Get used to it as the kids say

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Catholic Church welcomes the gays/lesbians/bi's

Read article again and you can even go to link and see itss real. They have official emblem. Get used to it as the kids say

Those aren't real Baptists. Just faggots in a very thin disguise.

[New Creation (Recalcitrant)]

Re: Catholic Church welcomes the gays/lesbians/bi's

Read article again and you can even go to link and see itss real. They have official emblem. Get used to it as the kids say

First, God doesn't change. Period.

Second, Kristen specified a "Independent-Fundamentalist-Conservative-Republican Baptist Church "

[napa valley nan]

Re: Catholic Church welcomes the gays/lesbians/bi's

First, God doesn't change. Period.

Second, Kristen specified a "Independent-Fundamentalist-Conservative-Republican Baptist Church "

they are. read article an my post again

[New Creation (Recalcitrant)]

Re: Catholic Church welcomes the gays/lesbians/bi's

they are. read article an my post again

If by "Independent-Fundamentalist-Conservative-Republican Baptist Church" you mean any fag-enablers who want to call themselves by that descriptor, then yes, they are.

No True Christian™ would ever consider such a thing and True Christians(tm) follow the Bible to the letter.

[Nobar King]

Re: So there: Bankruptcy Court rules DOMA unconstitutional

This is just another way for the Obama administration to steal more money from the people of the United States, whether they're fags living in sin or normal families. You don't need to be married to a homer to declare bankruptcy.

Next, I expect that you are going to tell me that the reason that gays should be allowed to get married is so that they can apply for home mortgages.

[napa valley nan]

Re: So there: Bankruptcy Court rules DOMA unconstitutional

Next, I expect that you are going to tell me that the reason that gays should be allowed to get married is so that they can apply for home mortgages.

It is funny you bring that up because YES one reason for the push is so the gays/lesbians/bi's like my daughter can lead the life of everyone else in our UNITED states, where all are equal under the laws. And Yes the banking laws are going to be equal too

And I do not want to rain on Your Parade but now the house is getting slapped by the upstart group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and they have served papers on the guy who is the House speaker as it is called, saying he is wrong to take gov money to defend the Doma in court Here is the full and unvarnished story

CREW Files Ethics Complaint against Speaker John Boehner for Violating Spending Laws to Defend DOMA



Press Release Source: Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) On Tuesday June 14, 2011, 11:31 am EDT

WASHINGTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Today, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) filed an ethics complaint with the Office of Congressional Ethics (OCE) against House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) for violating the Antideficiency Act. In violation of a law designed to stop government officials from overspending appropriations, Speaker Boehner directed the House Office of General Counsel (OGC) to sign a contract to pay an outside firm $500,000 to defend the highly controversial Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA).


“It is ironic that Speaker Boehner -- a fierce critic of government overspending -- did not hesitate to pledge half a million dollars he does not have to defend a law of dubious constitutionality,” said CREW Executive Director Melanie Sloan. “It seems the speaker believes fiscal responsibility starts at home, but not in the House.”


The Antideficiency Act prohibits federal officials from incurring obligations or making expenditures in excess of amounts available in appropriated funds. Violators are subject to administrative discipline. Knowing and willful violations can be punished by up to two years imprisonment.


In February, Attorney General Eric Holder told Speaker Boehner that because President Obama had determined DOMA is unconstitutional, the Department of Justice would no longer defend the law in 10 pending cases. The speaker then directed the OGC to hire outside counsel to defend the statute. The $500,000 former Solicitor General Paul Clement’s law firm will receive for representing the House is more than 35% of the $1,415,000 Congress appropriated for the OGC, leaving the OGC with insufficient funds to cover both the office’s salaries and expenses and the costs of defending DOMA. Further, money appropriated for purposes other than funding the OGC cannot lawfully be reprogrammed for defending DOMA without legal authorization.


“Speaker Boehner has vowed to end deficit spending and usher in a new era of government fiscal austerity, warning Americans we need to make do with less. But apparently, the House leadership can continue freely spending money it doesn’t have,” said Ms. Sloan. “This is yet another case of do as I say, not as I do. No wonder the public is so cynical about politics.”

Dont believe it? Go to http://finance.yahoo.com/news/CREW-F....html?x=0&.v=1 (click mouse on blue part and you go on the internet to the story in all its fulness )