Question

[Just John]

Hello people. I'm John. I live in the UK with my girlfriend and two lovely kids. Just wanted your views on the opinions held by some on this forum.

Just to make things clear, I AM NOT here to FLAME or TROLL you and I'm not here to deride or belittle anybody. Each to their own/live and let live etc etc.

I'd just like some fresh opinions on a subject that I was discussing with my sister. OK some context - she is a devout Christian and has been since teenage (now in her 30s). I'm a atheist. We have frank discussions about science v religion, which occasionally might get a little heated, but I respect her views and beliefs and she respects mine. We are each other's flesh and blood after all!

So anyway, the subject in hand....

There seem to be a lot people on this forum who are of the opinion that science, everything that comes from it and everybody who practices it, is in some way evil. As a scientist (actually a chemistry teacher to be precise) it interests me to know why some individuals consider what we do to be 'evil'.

I re-iterate - I'm not here to upset anybody; they're just questions...

So....

1) Is this an opinion held by your church (or indeed other churches in your country) and all it's members or is it the opinion of a few, very extremist individuals?

2) Do those people who express this opinion on this very forum not grasp the crushing irony that science benefits them every time they log-on or attend church? It's only because of science (the study of semiconductors/the production of electricity) that they are able to express their opinions online. It's only because of science that the roof of the church doesn't collapse on their heads (physics/engineering).

It just seems to be a massive contradiction. Also, if God created everything, didn't he create science?

I'm sure questions like this have been posed before but the search engines on these forums tend to bring up 100s of threads and I have have too many papers to mark to spend time searching through them! I'd like to start an honest and open discussion regarding this subject and I'd be interested to hear your opinions. Just don't bother trying too FLAME me because as a chemistry teacher I have access to a lot of flame retardent materials!!

Cheers!

[GOD=life]

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Just to make things clear, I AM NOT here to FLAME or TROLL you and I'm not here to deride or belittle anybody.

Nice to meet you John, but you have strange social skills to be honest? Do you walk up to people in the street and go "Hello, I do NOT intend to KILL you or RAPE your slutty wife"?

she is a devout Christian

That remains to be seen. Does she follow the KJV 1611 Bible or a corrupted one? As a homework exercise, do a search on "NIV vs KJV". Ironically, as an atheist, you might actually be able to steer your sister into the right direction.

There seem to be a lot people on this forum who are of the opinion that science, everything that comes from it and everybody who practices it, is in some way evil.

That's not quite true. As True Christians, we love science. In fact, you might not realize it, but this very medium - the Internet - has been developed for the specific purpose of spreading True Christianity. If you built a house, wouldn't it bother you that squatters went in and used it for free and without permission?

I re-iterate - I'm not here to upset anybody; they're just questions...

Thank you for minding out fragile feelings. It is obvious that because we are True Christians, our brains must be of the infantile sort. Please do speak monosyllabically because we don't understand big words.

1) Is this an opinion held by your church

Yes, we hold the outlandish opinion that one should read the whole (KJV 1611) Bible and follow every word of it.

Given how many Christians confuse their (corrupted) Bible with toilet paper, it is completely understandable that you, as an atheist, hold a dim view of the majority of Christians. As True Christians, we call them CINOs (Christian in name only).

Bottomline: if God wrote it, we follow it. Pretty simple.

... not grasp the crushing irony that science benefits them every time they log-on or attend church?

Again, you are confusing True Christianity with the fluffy-bunny variety. At LBC, we love science, logic and reason. It brought us the Internet after all. We might also ask you: don't you find it crushingly ironic that you use a Christian medium to communicate with?

It's only because of science (the study of semiconductors/the production of electricity) that they are able to express their opinions online.

For someone who doesn't intend to offend, you are pretty patronizing. But we can take it. Again, every view expressed on this forum has been carefully researched and cross-checked with the Bible. We do not come up with our own views, we merely follow what the Bible says.

One question though: without God making the electrons, how can you make even the simplest P-N junction?

It's only because of science that the roof of the church doesn't collapse on their heads (physics/engineering).

Again you are wrongly placing science against God. It's not an either/or thing. Science is the materialistic study of God's work. Naturally, logic and reason will crush false Christianity such as Catholicism and Mormonism. True Christianity, by following the Bible to the letter, is irrefutable and completely compatible with science.

Also, if God created everything, didn't he create science?

That is exactly my point.

Just don't bother trying too FLAME me because as a chemistry teacher I have access to a lot of flame retardent materials!!

The humor is not lost on this True Christian.

[James Hutchins]

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Welcome John. What happened to your wife? Industrial accident in a coal plant? My first two wives fell down a well. Very tragic.

Tell me about your walk with Jesus and your sons! Are they going to become Pastors? What Church do you belong to? Tell us all about the mooslime scourge that is ruining your country more than the catlicks did. Did you people have anything to do with the mrder of the Americans on that plane in the French Alps or was it the cowardly French.

[Jim Farmer]

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I presume you know you're doomed to Hell, even before we start discussing your belief in sickular science.
You are unmarried but living with a woman. That makes you a fornicator and adulterer. You are the father of bastards who are also doomed to hell because they were conceived in sin. That's your fault.

[James Hutchins]

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John, I read more carefully your post (sorry, I had a long day).
I was under the first impression your girlfriend was your sister, hence your questioning of God's Magnificence.

Here is your simple answers (as provided in the Bible)
1) We do not have opinions. We have Gods Perfect Word as is written in the KJV Bible. One of the key cornerstones of Christianity. God created everything. He explained it all in the Bible.
2) God gave us free will. He wants us to have the ability to freely choose the right way to live or suffer the consequences. It is in the Bible.
It is not as 'they say', 'rocket science'.

[Naomi Ruth Lamb]

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Hello, Just.

I am always wary of those who come to our friendly, welcoming forums, which are full of open minded, Godly people, that inform us of the intention not to flame or argue or debate or otherwise interject satan into the holiness of Landover Baptist Church.

Generally, those people are demonic fiends, needing prayer at the least and exorcism at worst. Which are you?

In the love of our Lord,
NRL