[Brother Daoud]

Re: Peace

so did mo-ho-meds marry a six year old girl, then consummate that marriage when the girl was 9 years old?

Basically, because the marriage couldnt be done until she reached the age of maturity.

By the way his name is Mohammad. or Muhammad.

Therein lies the fundamental problem with all you silly mooselimbs. It looked for awhile that God was entrusting the A-rabs with all the great works of Western Civilization during the dark ages when the cathylicks were corrupting the Word of God and Europe was a cesspool. The A-rabs did a few things with it, like inventing the numbering system that we use today, but Mohammed (piss be upon him) came along and corrupted it.

Not true, the Arabs where in a Dark Age of worshipping over 360 idols, when Mohammad came and brought them ALL to one God. But you, being the "silly" one instead of thanking him, seem to PREFER the Pagan idol worshipping. AFTER mohammad died, the explosion of science and math came. Also why do you say piss be upon him? I have never once cursed any of your beliefs, are you trying to get me upset so I react in a barbaric way so you can say "see look how muslims act?" Because if so, its not going to work, I always try to say good words, like Jesus did in the Bible and Quran.

It took the renaissance to rediscover all this

Look in the history books, they all brought this knowledge back from the Crusades in Arabia, so thank the Arabs.

and God finally decided that the mooselimbs were backwards and worthless.

Oh? So you talk on behalf of God? What actually happend is that they formed into a super empire, known as the Ottomans, as well as a few other empires.

Jesus then directed King James to translate the True Bible (KJV1611) into English to pave the way for America to become the one True Christian™ nation.

The KJV existed way before America was a country.

The mooselimbs have become embittered and angry at all this,

No, they are glad that anyone could read the Bible. The Quran encourages reading the "Previous revolations" and with the Bible being translated, it would be easier for them.

especially after their beloved Ottoman empire collapsed.

It collapsed because the leaders werent acting like muslims.

Now they are just longing for their old backward ways of the caliphate and see oil as a way to return them to the power they had once had.

Not all Muslims want the caliphate, again you cant generalize.

The LIEberals and DEMONcrats have conspired with them by preventing us from drilling for our own oil. Thank God for the Republicans that this situation is finally going to be reversed.

Thats funny most muslims I know are republicans (even my self)

The A-rabs are going to go back to riding their camels around the desert before long, no one is going to buy their oil.

Most muslims are NON-ARAB, only 19% of muslims are arab.

Today American English is the international language. No one in his right mind is going to learn A-rab just to read a false book called the Queeran with its silly allah.

First off, WHERE IS THE FALSEHOOD, when your never willing to read it, someone told you its false, and you follow blindly along. Second the WORD ALLAH means GOD, so now your calling God silly? I'd call that a Blasphemy. Third have I ever insulted the Bible? Calling it some rude and obscene name? No, so why are you insulting the Quran, to me its a Holy Book. For you the Bible is a Holy Book, and I respect that so I dont insult it. But you dont seem to get the concept of common courdasy.

Why didn't your "allah" see what was coming and translate your queeran into American?

1. American isn't a language
2. God wanted to keep it a sacred and perfect book, there is no such thing as a perfect translation.

That's easy, "allah" doesn't exist.

The word ALLAH MEANS GOD. So you JUST said "That's easy, "God" doesn't exist. That my friend is known as Blasphemy, I would repent

Get with Jesus and the winning side.

Let me explain this in terms you can understand. God first revealed the Torah (Old testament), over time for whatever reason, God said its time to send the next revalation with Jesus, Boom the Bible (New testament came). Then God saw that the Catholics had corrupted the Bible, (Romans) and the Jews had lost most of the the Torah when the Catholics (romans) burned the Jewish scriptures. So God revealed the 3rd book the Quran (Final Testament).

1. Torah (Old Testament)
2. Bible (New Testament)
3. Quran (Final Testament)
-So the Quran talks about Jesus in tons of details, as well as Moses, Solomon, David, Adam & Even, Enoch, Abraham, etc etc. So as Muslims we DO follow Jesus

[Brother Daoud]

Re: Peace

It might be worth nothing that the Koran thingie wasn't even written in Arabic.

Yes it was, the orignal Quran from the 600's still exists.

[Wide-Open]

Re: Peace

It might be worth nothing that the Koran thingie wasn't even written in Arabic.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: Peace

....
However God only promises to preserve the Arabic Quran, and the translations are the ones littered with mistake.
....

Therein lies the fundamental problem with all you silly mooselimbs. It looked for awhile that God was entrusting the A-rabs with all the great works of Western Civilization during the dark ages when the cathylicks were corrupting the Word of God and Europe was a cesspool. The A-rabs did a few things with it, like inventing the numbering system that we use today, but Mohammed (piss be upon him) came along and corrupted it. It took the renaissance to rediscover all this and God finally decided that the mooselimbs were backwards and worthless. Jesus then directed King James to translate the True Bible (KJV1611) into English to pave the way for America to become the one True Christian™ nation.

The mooselimbs have become embittered and angry at all this, especially after their beloved Ottoman empire collapsed. Now they are just longing for their old backward ways of the caliphate and see oil as a way to return them to the power they had once had. The LIEberals and DEMONcrats have conspired with them by preventing us from drilling for our own oil. Thank God for the Republicans that this situation is finally going to be reversed. The A-rabs are going to go back to riding their camels around the desert before long, no one is going to buy their oil.

Today American English is the international language. No one in his right mind is going to learn A-rab just to read a false book called the Queeran with its silly allah. Why didn't your "allah" see what was coming and translate your queeran into American? That's easy, "allah" doesn't exist. Get with Jesus and the winning side.

Praise Jesus!

[Brother Guy Bayard]

Re: Peace

so did mo-ho-meds marry a six year old girl, then consummate that marriage when the girl was 9 years old?

[Brother Daoud]

Re: Peace

Abu Bakr wanted the Marriage aswell as Aisha, Abu Bakr wanted it for political reasons, while Aisha wanted it mainly for love.

I said it in my first post
Abu Bakr wanted Aisha to merry some Pagan, Aisha refused, instead she wanted to marry Prophet Mohammad.
THEN LATER:

When Aisha reached the age of maturity (9-14), all partys (Abu Bakr, Aisha, and Prophet Mohammad) all agreed to the marriage.

(Because it would help Abu Bakr politically)


Abu Bakr, Mohammad, and Aisha agreed that the Marriage would occur, but Mohammad said she had to wait till she was mature.

[Brother Guy Bayard]

Re: Peace

Which points?

concerning aisha, abu bakr and mohommed.
lets clear this up . you stated first that she disobeyed her father and demanded to marry mo-ho-meds. Then you stated that abu bakr wanted her to marry mo-ho-meds.
that is a contradiction. so what is the truth?

[Brother Daoud]

Re: Peace

You have completely contradicted yourself on a couple of points within 2 posts.
go away. You are not to be trusted.

Which points?

[Brother Guy Bayard]

Re: Peace

You have completely contradicted yourself on a couple of points within 2 posts.
go away. You are not to be trusted.

[Brother Daoud]

Re: Peace

But is it not true that Mohammed married her when she was 6 years old?

Common misconception, it was agreed that they would be married, but the Marriage didnt and couldnt take place until she became mature, Which was 9-14

How often does your religion permit a 6 year old girl to disobey her father and choose her own husband?

Actually Abu Bakr wanted the Marriage.

I am concerned that if all 6 year old muslim girls were alowed to disobey their fathers and choose their own husbands then there would be chaos. Surely this isn't allowed to happen ?

Correct, the Father must give permission for the marriage to happen, so your right it cant happen without the fathers permission.

It is also said that this disobedient 9 year old child seduced the prophet mohammed when she was but 9 years old? Surely Mohammed must have been upset when this happened. I mean, who wouldnt trust a 9 year old girl?

Aisha wanted to merry the Prophet for love, while Abu Bakr wanted the marriage for political purposes. Sorry for not being clear about that before.

What does Islam do to condemn her memory and discourage other sexually promiscuous 9 year olds from repeating her example?

Well Islam requires the fathers permission, and she must have reached an age of Maturity (which I mentioned earlier). Islam HIGHLY SUGGESTS to marry a virgin, and to avoid females who are not virgins. The act of Fornication is a MAJOR MAJOR sin in Islam, and any girl who has done this act should repent and ask for forgiveness. God loves those who remain chaise (until marriage)

[Brother Daoud]

Re: Peace

I believe our good Brother in Christ Rev. Rodimer gave a web link as his source.

Yes he did, he should use submission.org instead, it is much more reliable

It sounds like you expect us to know which is a "true" Koran and which is "false", much like the trouble with the many "false" Bibles in circulation.

All Arabic Qurans are the same, the Arabic Quran has never changed and the original still exists. However God only promises to preserve the Arabic Quran, and the translations are the ones littered with mistake. Because I bet none of you know arabic, I cant expect you to see the horribleness in the translations. Which Is why I am here, I can understand arabic, as well as give a correct translation. http://submission.org/quran/ provides plenty of good translations aswell. I dont expect you to know what is true, or what is false because nobody has taught you. Extremests ruin EVERY faith, for example the extreme liberal christians, ruin the image of christanity. terrorists ruin the face of Islam. Did you know many muslims where in the building when the plane struck it. Including my aunt? Those bastards arnt real musliums because the Quran DAMNS anyone who does suicide attacks. Allah said in the Quran ANYONE who does sucide, wether milicaous or not, can never enter paradise, and they will forever be burning in hell.

However, your claiming that a translation is poor isn't very helpful, since we can only assume by their actions that the terrorists prefer the more violent version.

I agree, there is extremest, and evil people everywere, they can take the most peaceful book and use it for violence, especially if people are uneducated, or paid a lot.

I think you're trying to convince us that Islam is a peaceful religion

Im trying to show you the real Islam, which indeed is peaceful. The word Islam dirives from salam, which means PEACE.

and that we should be happy to see mosques all over our fair land

Depends on how you look at it. And who runs the Mosques.

like in Europistan. Sorry, Invader, that won't fly here.

Im no invader, I speak perfect, fluent english. I was born here, and my roots in america trace back to the 1800s. Nobody is asking you to be a muslim. I just saw that this website had about 100000 misconceptions of Islam, and thought I could correct some.

[Brother Guy Bayard]

Re: Peace

Sure, Aisha was the daughter of Abu Bakr.

Abu Bakr wanted Aisha to merry some Pagan, Aisha refused, instead she wanted to marry Prophet Mohammad.

When Aisha reached the age of maturity (9-14), all partys (Abu Bakr, Aisha, and Prophet Mohammad) all agreed to the marriage. (After propherts first wife died) The Marriage, was mainly to united the two tribes.

At one point she was accused of adultury, when she was found traveling with another man, but later her charges were dropped.

But is it not true that Mohammed married her when she was 6 years old? How often does your religion permit a 6 year old girl to disobey her father and choose her own husband?
I am concerned that if all 6 year old muslim girls were alowed to disobey their fathers and choose their own husbands then there would be chaos. Surely this isn't allowed to happen ?
It is also said that this disobedient 9 year old child seduced the prophet mohammed when she was but 9 years old? Surely Mohammed must have been upset when this happened. I mean, who wouldnt trust a 9 year old girl? she must have been a very bad person. What does Islam do to condemn her memory and discourage other sexually promiscuous 9 year olds from repeating her example?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Peace

Sure, Aisha was the daughter of Abu Bakr.

Abu Bakr wanted Aisha to merry some Pagan, Aisha refused, instead she wanted to marry Prophet Mohammad.

When Aisha reached the age of maturity (9-14), all partys (Abu Bakr, Aisha, and Prophet Mohammad) all agreed to the marriage. (After propherts first wife died) The Marriage, was mainly to united the two tribes.

At one point she was accused of adultury, when she was found traveling with another man, but later her charges were dropped.

Strange, Brother Dude, I seem to recall her marrying him at the age of 6, and being deflowered by him at the age of 9. Isn't that in the hadith?

[Brother Daoud]

Re: Peace

Please explain to the interested parties here about Aisha, th eprophet mohammeds wife. There appears to be a lot of prejudice and misunderstanding surrounding this.

Sure, Aisha was the daughter of Abu Bakr.

Abu Bakr wanted Aisha to merry some Pagan, Aisha refused, instead she wanted to marry Prophet Mohammad.

When Aisha reached the age of maturity (9-14), all partys (Abu Bakr, Aisha, and Prophet Mohammad) all agreed to the marriage. (After propherts first wife died) The Marriage, was mainly to united the two tribes.

At one point she was accused of adultury, when she was found traveling with another man, but later her charges were dropped.

[Brother Guy Bayard]

Re: Peace

Please explain to the interested parties here about Aisha, th eprophet mohammeds wife. There appears to be a lot of prejudice and misunderstanding surrounding this.