[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

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I will respond fully later, but with regard to Edward Jenner, I meant that he lived around the Victorian era, apologies if this was not clear.

Jenner was born in 1749 during the reign of George II, lived through the reign of George III and died in 1823, during the reign of George IV. He therefore lived in the Georgian era and the Regency.


(This is a simplified version of the facts for those who do not understand them, such as yourself.)

[Elmer G. White]

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Elmer G White

I will respond fully later, but with regard to Edward Jenner, I meant that he lived around the Victorian era, apologies if this was not clear. Also, his method was not innoculation. He injected people with the harmless cowpox, and because the cowpox and smallpox strains are very similar, the vaccination against cowpox protected against the deadly smallpox. I have a very clear understanding of immunology, having been learning about it for many years, in education and in my own time, my explanation was a simplified version for those here who do not understand it fully, not those who do (such as yourself).

Dear Person,

You're not really making progress in your posting strategy. It is always prudent to check the data before exposing ignorance.

Is cowpox harmless? Well, disastrous skin pustules that leave permanent scarring may obviously be harmless to you but I dare say that many victims would disagree.

Rarely, the cutaneous lesions may become generalized before resolving. Ocular findings include conjunctivitis, periorbital edema, and corneal involvement. Enlarged painful local lymph nodes often are observed. Necrotizing lymphadenitis has been reported.

I admit that mortality is rare, but a course of up to 12 weeks of painful skin conditions is still quite serious, albeit not nearly as bad as the disease that Jesus will spread during the Tribulations that are going to begin very, very soon!

Revelation 16:2
And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

I have a very clear understanding of immunology, having been learning about it for many years, in education and in my own time

As a student in secular science, you must understand that this is an appeal to authority. In science the content decides if a text/experiment/result is reliable and accurate. Obviously, education can give you a solid base, but Harvard professors can still produce useless studies and schoolgirls come up with something brilliant. Your credentials are not under scrutiny (except the Spiritual Credentials) but the content. That is something you should refine. A good informative post is good regardless of its author.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Goldenshark13]

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Elmer G White

I will respond fully later, but with regard to Edward Jenner, I meant that he lived around the Victorian era, apologies if this was not clear. Also, his method was not innoculation. He injected people with the harmless cowpox, and because the cowpox and smallpox strains are very similar, the vaccination against cowpox protected against the deadly smallpox. I have a very clear understanding of immunology, having been learning about it for many years, in education and in my own time, my explanation was a simplified version for those here who do not understand it fully, not those who do (such as yourself).

[Brother Gonzalez]

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Faith Machine

Also, if people should not have vaccines becuase of God, then why do people in the developing world die of things like Polio, Measles, Mumps, Rubella and Meningitis which the vaccines for are readily availible?

Dear Sharkie, God has killed more people than you think. Here is an estimate of 25 million, but it is from an atheist source, and includes apocryphal: ATHEIST SITE PLEASE BE CAUTIOUS.


Aaron's sons gave the Lord "strange fires" and he murdered them! Just because of "wrong fire" which is a really strange cause for murder.


Do you think the lord will care of killing those atheists, muslims, catholics, buddists or hindis? Hint: he doesn't.

[Elmer G. White]

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Dear Sinner,

If you want to defend science, you would be much more successful if you had your facts in order. Let us assess your polite and cute post:

Faith Machine
There is no trace of any Hg in any vaccines, they have all been tested for anything of that sort, and if they did contain any, that would be pointless as Mercury is a poison, not a dead/altered pathogen which is what is used in vaccines and is the entire idea behind them.

In fact, Mercury in its metallic form is not too toxic unless you're exposed for long periods of time, i.e., through the consumption of freshwater fish instead of bacon. You can swallow the contents of a mercury thermometer without harm. However, soil bacteria metabolize metallic mercury into methyl mercury, [CH3Hg]+, that is toxic and accumulates in the food chain (but Jesus does not care as we'll see later). Vaccines do have trace amounts of thiomersal, a mercury compound in concentrations that are considered harmless. It was used to preserve the vaccine, to prevent it from rotting, basically. It is still present in trace amounts exactly opposite to what you claimed. However, from the secular viewpoint, these concentrations are harmless. I admit that.

You can look it up, vaccination is giving a person an altered or fragment of the pathogen which causes the disease and allowing the immune system to destroy it. The immune system does this in such a way that when the Dendritic cell activates the Helper T cell and B Cell with the specific antigen markers, it also activates memory T and B cells which means that should that pathogen ever be encountered again, the memory T and B cells will produce antibodies which, together with Macrophages with kill the intruder before it is even noticed by yourself.

This has some actual data in it. Verily, vaccines use weakened microbes or their surface proteins (antigens). However, the cell types are as follows (in simplified form for you):
B-cells when activated become plasma cells that produce the antibodies. T helper cells (Th cells) produce cytokines that help the immune response. Antibodies don't kill the intruder. They opsonize the pathogen, and this is recognized by the phagocyte (such as macrophages) which finally kill the pathogen (unless it is a virus or, e.g., M. tuberculosis that can infect macrophages). This often takes places gradually, and you have ample time to have symptoms: fever, local symptoms, nausea or the classic rubor, tumor, calor, dolor & functio laesa.

This idea was developed by English doctor Edward Jenner in Victorian times (although he did't know how it worked).

Mr. Jenner died in 1823. Queen Victoria reigned between 1837-1901. You can hardly say that Mr. Jenner lived in the Victorian era. The principal ideas of vaccination were developed earlier with variolation. It's all about the smallpox. Before Jenner, you took a scab of a smallpox victim and placed in in your nose. Many gained immunity but quite a few got smallpox. Bad & dangerous. Not good! Jenner replaced this with the bovine virus, hence vacca -> vaccination (much better ). He refined an existing method. You're right, he had no idea of immunology. Nor do you.

Any poisons present in vaccines would be pointless as they would kill you, and there are no recorded deaths attributed to vaccination since it was created in it's current form by Jenner.

Poisons are poisons because of dose, not because of their presence. Ergotamine causes you to lose microcirculation and lose fingers. It is a poison. Ergotamine causes you to experience vasoconstriction in meningeal vessels and cures your migraine. It is not a poison.

The only allergens present in vaccines are things like egg, which are only at all dangerous to those who are allergic to them, which is a very small minoriyy of the population and also why everyone else must have vaccines so the herd immunity is not damaged. Also, if people should not have vaccines becuase of God, then why do people in the developing world die of things like Polio, Measles, Mumps, Rubella and Meningitis which the vaccines for are readily availible?

And gelatin.

And now the main issue once more.

Also, if people should not have vaccines becuase of God, then why do people in the developing world die of things like Polio, Measles, Mumps, Rubella and Meningitis which the vaccines for are readily availible?

Indeed, this is a travesty. Vaccines work very well from the secular viewpoint. There are admittedly rare side effects that are physical, but most people disregard the Spiritual side-effects of losing God's Grace.

God has decided our number of days.

Job 14:5
Seeing his days are determined, the number of his months are with thee, thou hast appointed his bounds that he cannot pass;

It is mutiny to try to change this. If Jesus wants you to die of smallpox, it is to glorify Jesus. It is to trust Him and leave this insignificant life for Heaven.

You should not meddle with that.

Besides, there are ways to cure infectious diseases much more effective than prevention with vaccines.

Luke 9:2
And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.

We have evidence that this works:

Acts 9:40
But Peter put them all forth, and kneeled down, and prayed; and turning him to the body said, Tabitha, arise. And she opened her eyes: and when she saw Peter, she sat up.

Peter, a mere man could heal.

God is a God of mercy (Jonah 4:2) and of suffering. You're taking away some of His pleasure if you prevent the sick from being sick!

Deuteronomy 28:63
And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.

If you think that you have no chance of being there when God rejoices over your good but will become a subject of rejoicing only upon your destruction, by all means, take the vaccine. It works quite well (within the 95% probability of secular science), the side effects are unlikely. You'll not die of polio. But the Spiritual side effects are 100% certain. God's plan goes awry. Why not embrace the wonderful entry into God's Realm without artificial demons entering your immune system!


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Goldenshark13]

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Joanna Lytton-Vasey

I have now tried using the search function and reading responces to questions. Thank you

[Goldenshark13]

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Faith Machine

There is no trace of any Hg in any vaccines, they have all been tested for anything of that sort, and if they did contain any, that would be pointless as Mercury is a poison, not a dead/altered pathogen which is what is used in vaccines and is the entire idea behind them. You can look it up, vaccination is giving a person an altered or fragment of the pathogen which causes the disease and allowing the immune system to destroy it. The immune system does this in such a way that when the Dendritic cell activates the Helper T cell and B Cell with the specific antigen markers, it also activates memory T and B cells which means that should that pathogen ever be encountered again, the memory T and B cells will produce antibodies which, together with Macrophages with kill the intruder before it is even noticed by yourself. This idea was developed by English doctor Edward Jenner in Victorian times (although he did't know how it worked). Any poisons present in vaccines would be pointless as they would kill you, and there are no recorded deaths attributed to vaccination since it was created in it's current form by Jenner. The only allergens present in vaccines are things like egg, which are only at all dangerous to those who are allergic to them, which is a very small minoriyy of the population and also why everyone else must have vaccines so the herd immunity is not damaged. Also, if people should not have vaccines becuase of God, then why do people in the developing world die of things like Polio, Measles, Mumps, Rubella and Meningitis which the vaccines for are readily availible?

[Goldenshark13]

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Faith Machine

No vaccines contain Hg, they've all been tested and the only allergen they contain is egg. Therefore they cannot cause any damage besides an allergic reaction to those whom are allergic to egg. If god is so trustworthy then why do people in unvaccinated parts of the world still die of things like Polio, Measles, Mumps, Rubella and Meningitis.

[Faith_Machine]

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Vaccines are for people who don't trust God and don't mind pumping their children full of mercury.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

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Anne Sayne is not yet a member of this forum, but still under investigation. Her views do not therefore reflect the views of the Landover Baptist Church.

Have you tried using the search function, as suggested by Sister Handmaiden? Almost every question you can think of has probably already been dealt with here. Or is it your intention to waste our time starting a new thread every time some random thought pops into your head?

[handmaiden]

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Didyus Much

Haha, I do know how to use question marks, I'm just not a great typist.

Then you need to make an effort to improve that skill. Your typing and the quality of your prose are two of the main factors by which your intelligence may be judged on this forum. The content of the thoughts you express are another one, and that is not looking good.


Judgmentally Yours,


Handmaiden

[Goldenshark13]

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Anne Sayne

Why? Do you have any evidence to back up your position? Just curious.

[Goldenshark13]

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Didyus Much

Haha, I do know how to use question marks, I'm just not a great typist.

[Didymus Much]

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What are you guys' views on vaccination.

English "A" level doesn't know that questions require a question mark? Huh.

[handmaiden]

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What are you guys' views on vaccination. Yes/no, why/why not. Many Thanks

There are search tools available under the main top banner. Try clicking on the one that reads "search".


Also, there is a thread addressing the issue of vaccination directly below the one where you have posted this a question. Try training your eyes down about 3/4 " and looking for the words "vaccinated" and "dead".




Helpfully Yours,


Handmaiden