Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

[Catholicbooger]

First thing first. I don´t want start any controversy here. But as everyone knows, Christ was a revolutionary who stood against the power who opressed the people of his time. He defended poor people, and combat the powerful, to build a society without misery, exactly the same way conceived by socialist, but by others means, with peace, like Mr. Salvador Allende tried in Chile.

Lukas 21:45 And he went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought

Mathew 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God

Matthew 12:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Mark 12:17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

And I could go on.

The liberation teology contains the true christian message.

[Alvin Moss]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

Even your popish tsar rejects liberation theology. Your previous comments have already revealed that you are ignorant of the precepts of Christianity and you are not even a Christian yourself. However, you are a Roman Catholic and, from that perspective, I can see how a wretch like yourself might think the Roman church is like socialism.


Neither has ever worked anywhere it has ever been tried. Both exist on other people's money and are not self sufficient. Communists explain that the reason socialism has never worked is that they have never had the right people running it. They are waiting for a messiah who can make socialism work, while the Roman church tries to hitch itself up to the real savior. Like communists, you Romans promote the cult of personality. Your church has it's pantheon of saints, while socialists have Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Bernie Sanders and Salvador Allende. Both the Roman church and communism are trying to expand, but they are both falling apart, even as they try to grow. Both are thoroughly rotten to the core. The similarity is remarkable, actually. Even your public ceremonies are very similar. In North Korea, they like to have huge public dance displays, while your priestly perverts like to line up and parade around waving incense smoke. The Soviets liked the parades just like you Catholics do. Their tsarish popes would stand on the Kremlin walls wearing big funny hats and wave as their acolytes paraded by with their smoke wagons. Yes, in many ways, your Roman church is very much like socialism, but none of you is a Christian and none of your perversions have anything to do with Jesus.


I can see how someone like yourself would think as you do, but the thing is, Jesus was not one of your socialist theoreticians. He is the Son of God. My advice is to flee the Roman church while you can and come to Jesus; the REAL Jesus. It's that or Hell, Papist. Don't go there; it's too hot.

[handmaiden]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

That's an old theory. I remember other people making the argument that Jesus was a feminist, a pacifist, a revolutionary, etc, etc.

People love nothing better than to read the Bible and find whatever they are looking for there that supports their own point of view.


We here at Landover Baptist Church are among the few people in the world who read the Bible and see the Truth(tm).

[Des]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

Silly mackerel snapper, Jesus is the King of Kings. Commies don't have kings. How then can Jesus be a commie?

Edited to add: That was kind of mean of me, sorry. Just because socialism has killed over 100 million people and failed every time it has been tried doesn't mean you shouldn't try again. Nobody will think you are insane for trying the same experiment fifty times, getting the same results each try, and still insisting that the next identical experiment is going to turn out well. I hear they are doing some exciting things in Socialist Venezuela right now. Perhaps you should visit there and tell us how great it is.

[MisterM]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

There is nothing socialist in those scriptures

Lukas 21:45 And he went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought

First of all, there is no Lukas 21:45 in my KJV Bible, you probably meant Luke 19:45. But you are now cherry picking it, Luke 19:46 says

Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.

And if we consider it, behavior of Jesus was ANTISOCIALIST. In USSR (socialist utopia) churches were not used for prayers but were dens of socialist thieves.

Mathew 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God

Again, you are using some weird bible there, the REAL BIBLE says

Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

If we consider the fact that rich man's wealth is from God (Deuteronomy 8:18), it must mean that it is just hard to get rich in the first place.

Matthew 12:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

I can understand why this confused you. "Sell that thou hast, and give to the poor". But does it say give it it all to poor? No it does not! It just says that sell all you got and you'll have a treasure. Sure you should give something to poor, example tithing your church.


Hope this clears it a bit.


BR, MisterM

[Levi Jones]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

Lukas 21:45 And he went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought

Mathew 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God

Matthew 12:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Mark 12:17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

And Jesus asks the same from the poor. He holds the widow who gave her last valuable up rather than eat as an example of piety.

This is a point where the Papist Church and Landover would agree. We don't care how little you have. We want it all, for Jesus of course.

Though, we are just paupers in cheap suits compared to the guy with his own diplomatic immunity, his small army of mercenaries, vast land holdings, banks and an entire fleet of jets.

Luke 21:3-4
3 And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:
4 For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.

[Red Army]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

No, the first socialist was Karl Marx followed closely by Engels.

For being a revolutionary, you don't have to say things like this:


Ephesians 6:5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;



Romans 13:1-3


1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.


2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.


3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same



So Jesus is a conservative. No doubts about that. Jesus has inspired the Constitution of the US and the Amendments, has inspired the invasion of Irak and the election of Donald Trump. Jesus (for us unbelievers, his teachings) are not socialist in the less.


If you have any other questions please do not hesitate to ask.


I have a question for you in the meantime: if you like socialism, what's the need for Jesus? If you are socialist and Jesus exists, then you are going to hell when you die. If you are socialist and Jesus does not exist, then you are wasting your time trying to unify two things (left wing politics and religion) that simply do not match.

[Red Army]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

Silly mackerel snapper, Jesus is the King of Kings. Commies don't have kings. How then can Jesus be a commie?

Edited to add: That was kind of mean of me, sorry. Just because socialism has killed over 100 million people and failed every time it has been tried doesn't mean you shouldn't try again. Nobody will think you are insane for trying the same experiment fifty times, getting the same results each try, and still insisting that the next identical experiment is going to turn out well. I hear they are doing some exciting things in Socialist Venezuela right now. Perhaps you should visit there and tell us how great it is.

Our killings are really little when put besides the killings in the name of God. Please don't be so humble, Mr Des: you are a member of the world's greatest genocide group in history.


Venezuela is not socialist. You can write it a hundres million times in you Communist-produced laptop, or your phone also built by a Communist worker. Maybe even enjoy yourself watching Fox News saying that Venezuela is socialist in your TV also manufactured by a Communist worker.


That does not make Venezuela communist. All the other failures are on us of course. But not Venezuela, as the means of production are still in the hands of the capitalists there.


Obama wasn't a communist, neither, before you try to pin that other failure on us as well.

[Des]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

That does not make Venezuela communist. All the other failures are on us of course. But not Venezuela, as the means of production are still in the hands of the capitalists there.

How silly of me, thinking that the state owned utilities, the government mandated worker's councils dictating policy at factories and plants, food and water rationing, China pumping billions of dollars into the country, and the current president being a member of the United Socialist Party was somehow an indication that the country was socialist.

[Faith_Machine]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

Catholic Interloper, I am getting sick and tired of all your provocative troll questions.

It is very obvious that all of your many questions are one big smokescreen, designed to obfuscate the central deficiency in your life:


You have not accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior.


Christ, and your relationship with Him, are the ONLY things we should be discussing.

[Oliver Brendan Hayve]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

According to the Gospels, your revolutionary said that his kingdom is not of this world (John 18:36). Also, how much did he have to say about who should own the means of production in the Roman Empire?

[I Man Rastafari]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

Yes I think that Jesus was the first socialist. He was against the old white men of the Roman empire and so they killed him. They were capitalists and they were against the people. But Jesus was a socialist and his words lived on to encourage the people. President Robert Mugabe is a Black man who is a Catholic man and a socialist. All of the white people are against him and they try to assassinate him whenever they can because they do not like to see a successful Black man. President Mugabe has uplifted the people of Zimbabwe and led the country to new heights of success. So you see it is possible to be a Christian and a socialist at the same time and to do a very good job at both. The whole world would be uplifted if we had more leaders like President Mugabe.

[handmaiden]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

As I am not particularly knowledgeable on the subject of socialism,(I used to own a great pair of Groucho-glasses, does that count?), I am a little reluctant to speak out.

All the same, I have noticed the way that so many twist the words of the Bible around to make it say what they want it to say. In fact, I mentioned it in my earlier response to this question.


Just as people can spin and stretch the tiniest fiber to weave a tale of Jesus as socialist hero, they can interpret the words of Karl and Harpo and the others to make socialism and communism into the systems that they want to support.


Similarly, both the ancient Athenians and the American founders promulgated a form of democracy that included slavery. It's easy to set up both a government by the people-- or the workers-- and then play fast and loose with the definition of "person" or "worker".


That is one the areas where the Bible excels, because every blessed being has a specific status and worth as decided by God. That way, we can maintain clarity. And unlike other systems and "isms" where people are in charge and can rig the game, with God in charge you just know the system has to be fair.


That's why I subscribe to the 100% Bible-based life 24/7/365. I'm not smart enough to understand other systems or ideologies. So, I let God tell me who I am, what my place is in the world, and what to do with my life. With Him calling the shots, how can I miss?

[Des]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

Yes I think that Jesus was the first socialist. He was against the old white men of the Roman empire and so they killed him. They were capitalists and they were against the people. But Jesus was a socialist and his words lived on to encourage the people. President Robert Mugabe is a Black man who is a Catholic man and a socialist. All of the white people are against him and they try to assassinate him whenever they can because they do not like to see a successful Black man. President Mugabe has uplifted the people of Zimbabwe and led the country to new heights of success. So you see it is possible to be a Christian and a socialist at the same time and to do a very good job at both. The whole world would be uplifted if we had more leaders like President Mugabe.

QUIT APPROPRIATING MY RELIGION AND LANGUAGE!

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Was Jesuschrist the very first socialist?

QUIT APPROPRIATING MY RELIGION AND LANGUAGE!

Brother Des, I think he is a Rasta. Perhaps we should try to get the message across to him in his own Godless tongue?

Trevor: የእኔን ቋንቋ አትስረቅ and also አንድ አሳማ ውስጥ የእርስዎን ራስ ተጣበቁ