[Xanax]

Re: Intro

Not quite, dear. The LORD guarantees the True Christian™ will have an accurate understanding of Scripture. That's where you keep tripping up. You think that your belief in and love of Jesus is enough, but you continue to ignore the Scriptures that assert a very clear and present condition for being a True Christian™.

It's not enough to believe in Him. Even the demons do. It's not enough even to love Him. A devout Muslim shares your affection. IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO FEEL YOUR FEELINGS.

IF you engage in homosex, THEN you will go to Hell (which your agreement with only marks you as a homophobe since you cherry pick these verses and not others simply because they validate some deep-seated feeling of disgust for you, which is shameful if you ask me). IF you love Jesus, THEN you will follow His commandments. IF you follow His commandments, THEN He will live in your heart and guide you.

I am sorry, but I disagree. We CANNOT earn salvation, for it is a gift from God. Knowledge of scripture does not save and it will certainly not take us to heaven. We are saved only by accepting His free gift of Salvation. A thirst for the Word of God and a desire to know God at a personal level is evidence of Salvation.

Ephesians 2:8-9 - For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Romans 11:6 - But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

Romans 3:20 - because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

Galatians 2:21 - "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."

We are only saved through faith in Jesus Christ and His sacrifice on the cross and His glorious resurrection as a payment for our sins. NOTHING else! We cannot earn our way to God, because that is impossible, there is nothing we can do alone. This is the heart of Christianity. That is why we need Jesus to forgive our sins. So yes I do believe that my love and faith in Jesus, and my salvation is enough, because that is what the Bible says. That does not mean I can do whatever I want, because if I truly repent from my sins and accept Jesus Christ as my Savour, then my life will reflect it. I will want to read His Word and keep His commandments.

On a side note:

You also mentioned this in your post, "IF you engage in homosex, THEN you will go to Hell (which your agreement with only marks you as a homophobe since you cherry pick these verses and not others simply because they validate some deep-seated feeling of disgust for you, which is shameful if you ask me)."

I don't really understand what you were trying to say in this particular point. I follow the Bible and the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is wrong. Why is my belief shameful for you?

[James Hutchins]

Re: Intro

For sure, I don’t believe I took this verse out of context. Jesus left us the Holy Spirit to guide us and teach us. Although it does not say He helps us interpret scripture, it does say that the Holy Spirit is our teacher. We don’t know everything and I think it is impossible to full understand the Bible without God’s help. It’s like the trinity. Although it doesn’t specifically mention the word trinity, we can see evidence of the trinity throughout scripture. But some people interpret the verses incorrectly and come to different conclusions. Or some of the Psalms are full of poetry and this when studying the Psalms we need to treat it like poetry.

It sounds to me like you (as the kids like to say) 'wing it'. Christianity is no joke friend. It is not something you can just make up on a whim. Imagine if God woke one day and thought 'Hmmm, I think I'll make everything' and did so with no plan. Everything would be willy-nilly. No, God had it all thought out in advance and worked according to His Grand Scheme.
Think about it. Does God explain everything to you? Why even make the Holy Bible if He is just going to explain it all to you because you refuse to read the Book he spent years transcribing to His Prophets.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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For sure, I don’t believe I took this verse out of context. Jesus left us the Holy Spirit to guide us and teach us. Although it does not say He helps us interpret scripture, it does say that the Holy Spirit is our teacher.

Not quite, dear. The LORD guarantees the True Christian™ will have an accurate understanding of Scripture. That's where you keep tripping up. You think that your belief in and love of Jesus is enough, but you continue to ignore the Scriptures that assert a very clear and present condition for being a True Christian™.

It's not enough to believe in Him. Even the demons do. It's not enough even to love Him. A devout Muslim shares your affection. IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO FEEL YOUR FEELINGS.

One who allows the Holy Bible to speak for Itself cannot fail to notice the glaring IF/THEN statements prevalent throughout the Gospel (Ecclesiastes 12:13; John 14:21; Exodus 19:5; John 15:5; Revelation 14:12; John 15:14; Luke 11:28; 1 Peter 1:14; James 1:25; Romans 2:7-8; Joshua 5:6; Ephesians 6:1-3; John 14:15; John 15:10; 1 John 2:3; 1 John 2:4-5; Deuteronomy 5:9; Numbers 14:18, etc.). In fact, the entire 28th chapter of the Book of Deuteronomy contains in the first half the promises of blessings the LORD will bestow on those who are loyal unto Him, and the second half the curses that will come raining down on those who are not.

IF/THEN statements are very clear, dear. IF you eat your sweets before mealtime, THEN you will ruin your appetite and develop poor eating habits. IF you drive recklessly, THEN you run a greater risk of getting a ticket or into an accident. IF you engage in homosex, THEN you will go to Hell (which your agreement with only marks you as a homophobe since you cherry pick these verses and not others simply because they validate some deep-seated feeling of disgust for you, which is shameful if you ask me). IF you love Jesus, THEN you will follow His commandments. IF you follow His commandments, THEN He will live in your heart and guide you. The corollary is very, very clear: IF you don't, THEN He won't. Clear as day. All the Scripture you have provided fits within this condition, and you cannot show that it does not.

[Xanax]

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So you realize, only by reading the Word of God®, can we be safe in knowing exactly what He is telling us. You cannot trust the tricks the Devil will play on you. If God tells us in the Bible to jump, we must do as He say and jump. It is not up to us to determine how high is high enough. God will never say to us 'OK, a half sassed attempt is good enough'. He tells us to look in to the Bible for guidance. We must jump constantly until we die and pray that God sees our efforts and takes us to Heaven.
Satan tries to trick everyone, no matter the level of commitment to God. Ask any Pastor, he will tell you of the constant trickery of the Devil.


Again, you should not take His Word out of context. It is much different when you read the ENTIRE passage, just like when you read the ENTIRE Bible.
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For sure, I don’t believe I took this verse out of context. Jesus left us the Holy Spirit to guide us and teach us. Although it does not say He helps us interpret scripture, it does say that the Holy Spirit is our teacher. We don’t know everything and I think it is impossible to full understand the Bible without God’s help. It’s like the trinity. Although it doesn’t specifically mention the word trinity, we can see evidence of the trinity throughout scripture. But some people interpret the verses incorrectly and come to different conclusions. Or some of the Psalms are full of poetry and this when studying the Psalms we need to treat it like poetry.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Intro

Your right sorry, I mixed up the two verses, This is the verse I wanted: John 14:26 - "But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."

This is exactly why we need the Holy Spirit when reading scripture. Because the Devil does whisper wrong things in our ears. That is why we have Jahova Witnesses, mormons etc. Because Satan has fed them lies on some of the most fundamental Biblical truths.

So you realize, only by reading the Word of God®, can we be safe in knowing exactly what He is telling us. You cannot trust the tricks the Devil will play on you. If God tells us in the Bible to jump, we must do as He say and jump. It is not up to us to determine how high is high enough. God will never say to us 'OK, a half sassed attempt is good enough'. He tells us to look in to the Bible for guidance. We must jump constantly until we die and pray that God sees our efforts and takes us to Heaven.
Satan tries to trick everyone, no matter the level of commitment to God. Ask any Pastor, he will tell you of the constant trickery of the Devil.


Again, you should not take His Word out of context. It is much different when you read the ENTIRE passage, just like when you read the ENTIRE Bible.
John 14
1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

[Xanax]

Re: Intro

Lets stay focused. We need to work through why Gods Word is in the Bible before you drill down on details.


So you think we are supposed to rely on the Holy Spirit (God-Jesus) to guide us. OK, fine. Then why go to the trouble of having a Bible created? If God has to 'whisper in our ear' about what is a made up story and what is a instruction why even make the Bible? How do you know it is not Satan telling you lies? Satan never wrote or had a book written.
Where in the Bible does it tell us all of this?


BTW, this is the actual verse and not taken out of context. But I digress, sorry.:

Your right sorry, I mixed up the two verses, This is the verse I wanted: John 14:26 - "But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."

This is exactly why we need the Holy Spirit when reading scripture. Because the Devil does whisper wrong things in our ears. That is why we have Jahova Witnesses, mormons etc. Because Satan has fed them lies on some of the most fundamental Biblical truths.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Intro

We are suppose to rely on the Holy Spirit not guidance. As 1 John 2:27 says that the Holy Spirit is our teacher. Parables were just stores to teach people lessons. Unless we take them literally like they really happened. Also why would there be so much controversy even on this page in regards to God saying he hates people in one verse and loves all in another. Because of interpretation through the holy spirit

Lets stay focused. We need to work through why Gods Word is in the Bible before you drill down on details.


So you think we are supposed to rely on the Holy Spirit (God-Jesus) to guide us. OK, fine. Then why go to the trouble of having a Bible created? If God has to 'whisper in our ear' about what is a made up story and what is a instruction why even make the Bible? How do you know it is not Satan telling you lies? Satan never wrote or had a book written.
Where in the Bible does it tell us all of this?


BTW, this is the actual verse and not taken out of context. But I digress, sorry.:

1 John 2:27
1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

[Xanax]

Re: Intro

Ok, so we agree, all of the Bible is to be followed.


Now, show me where in the Bible it tells us that some are simply stories and what parts are instructions on how to be True to God.
If you think that God expects man to 'interpret His Perfect Word', fine. Show me where He says that, even alludes to it.

We are suppose to rely on the Holy Spirit not guidance. As 1 John 2:27 says that the Holy Spirit is our teacher. Parables were just stores to teach people lessons. Unless we take them literally like they really happened. Also why would there be so much controversy even on this page in regards to God saying he hates people in one verse and loves all in another. Because of interpretation through the holy spirit

[James Hutchins]

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Of course we are not suppose to ignore any part of the Bible! But I do believe that there are parts of the Bible that need be studied very carefully, because not the whole Bible is literal. Some of it is poetry, others are parables ect.

All I was saying was that I tried to address some of the verses that were brought up, but there were many that I did not have an answer to. But there are also many verses that I brought up on this page, that i never got an answer to.

Ok, so we agree, all of the Bible is to be followed.


Now, show me where in the Bible it tells us that some are simply stories and what parts are instructions on how to be True to God.
If you think that God expects man to 'interpret His Perfect Word', fine. Show me where He says that, even alludes to it.

[Xanax]

Re: Intro

I am not sure why you are confused, the Bible is very clear. I was written so the simplest of man could understand it.


So you understand, God expects us to follow the entire Bible and not ignore any of it, correct?

Of course we are not suppose to ignore any part of the Bible! But I do believe that there are parts of the Bible that need be studied very carefully, because not the whole Bible is literal. Some of it is poetry, others are parables ect.

All I was saying was that I tried to address some of the verses that were brought up, but there were many that I did not have an answer to. But there are also many verses that I brought up on this page, that i never got an answer to.

[James Hutchins]

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I am very confused as to what you are trying to prove here. I NEVER said we are to ignore parts of the Bible, as all scripture is God-breathed.

I am not sure why you are confused, the Bible is very clear. I was written so the simplest of man could understand it.


So you understand, God expects us to follow the entire Bible and not ignore any of it, correct?

[Xanax]

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Please show me where in the Bible it says to ignore parts of it.

I am very confused as to what you are trying to prove here. I NEVER said we are to ignore parts of the Bible, as all scripture is God-breathed.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Intro

And I did the same thing. You too were ignoring my points. As I told Elmer previously, I understand that there controversial verses. Because the verses I mentioned goes against the verses you brought up in regards to God hating some people. I told him that I don't agree with his point of view, but I plan to do some more research into the topic.

And when did I lie??? Just because someone does not agree with you does not mean they are a liar. Did the point I brought up about husbands loving their wives unconditionally upset you. Because husbands are to love their wives as Christ loves the church. If that is the case how much should we be doing for our wives?

Please show me where in the Bible it says to ignore parts of it.

[Xanax]

Re: Intro

Now you are a forked tongued liar. You first accused me of not reading the Bible, which I do and I told you what it said. You do not like that and you are lying. God sees what you are doing.
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish.

And I did the same thing. You too were ignoring my points. As I told Elmer previously, I understand that there controversial verses. Because the verses I mentioned goes against the verses you brought up in regards to God hating some people. I told him that I don't agree with his point of view, but I plan to do some more research into the topic.

And when did I lie??? Just because someone does not agree with you does not mean they are a liar. Did the point I brought up about husbands loving their wives unconditionally upset you. Because husbands are to love their wives as Christ loves the church. If that is the case how much should we be doing for our wives?

[James Hutchins]

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I didn't say the Bible says to ignore parts of it, but you are ignoring all the verses I brought to the table. And the bible tells husbands to love their wives. There are no conditions. It does not say to love our wives only if they clean, have children, does chores.

Now you are a forked tongued liar. You first accused me of not reading the Bible, which I do and I told you what it said. You do not like that and you are lying. God sees what you are doing.
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish.