[James Hutchins]

Re: Hi my name is Alex

Sorry I didnt respond when I have to wait alot of seconds between posts to reply to every post would take quite a few minutes to respond to every reply so that's why I forgot yours.


Getting to your point about what you said nothing sexual would happen in those places and it sounds more sinful the way your talking about it


It's just a simple massage sure theirs massage oil yes but....that's the same for lotion body wash or any other beneficial medicine or hair brush hair dryer whatever other than the massage nothing else happens its...a simple massage

That is always the way it is. Starts out simple and the next thing you know, you are servicing men in a rest stop on the thruway.


Innocently, you are having a conversation with 'one of the guys'. Talking about baseball perhaps.

The two of you play a game of catch. Eventually, you start to pitch and hit. Not realizing the abyss the two of you are slowly stepping into. See, Satan makes the slippery slope gentle at first.
Soon, you are one a team together. Sliding into home, oiling your mitts. Sharing your balls. High fiving.
Soon, you are playing in leagues for the other team. Showering together. Snapping towels. Best buddies, having each others back.
Before long, the two of you steal a base, travel for games unsupervised by a consenting adult. Perhaps sharing a meal. The two of you having private jokes that you tell each other late at night while sharing a seedy motel room.
Do you still think groping strangers is 'Good with God'?

[Isabella White]

Re: Hi my name is Alex

It's just a simple massage sure theirs massage oil yes but....that's the same for lotion body wash or any other beneficial medicine or hair brush hair dryer whatever other than the massage nothing else happens its...a simple massage

Oh, really, Miss Alex? If it's just a simple massage, then why do you think you shall be successful in this venture? Something tells me there is much more to this "profession" than just a "simple" massage. For goodness sake, most of us can still rub our own feet without paying for assistance!

[Alex112]

Re: Hi my name is Alex

Don't think for one minute that your ignoring of my comments is missed by any half intelligent person. Your ignorance of undeniable fact speaks volumes.God is watching.

Consider this:
You're riding your bike home, all tired after a long day of feeling up obese old people. A Good Humor truck comes and runs over your gut, causing your body to burst and spray entrails all over the street.

You're dead
Whether due to your own disgusting sinning or the Lords divine will, you are dead. Instantly your soul begins falling towards the black abyss above Hell. The falling seems eternal as you gather speed and the heat begins to grow. Then you notice a red dot below you growing larger by the second, this is the Lake in the center of Hell. It is the brightest point in Hell therefore it is visible for a great distance. Keep in mind that the farther you fall, the further from Christ you are.
As you gain speed and the flames become apparent you may wonder how you can stop this from happening. The answer is simple. It's too late and you can't, you're doomed. Your soul is damned and it WILL happen. The temperature is now approaching the unbearable limit as your flesh begins to smoulder and ignite and you continue to build speed as you plummet toward the now visible boiling Lake of Fire. You can almost make out individual souls thrashing in the magma with your flaming eyesockets. Soon you will join them, your terror mounts as your screams become gargled with the stench of Hells evil smell. The heat becomes excruciating as you notice your skin peeling away and your bones becoming visible and black. Flaming and screaming in anguish, you splashdown into the acidic brimstone of Satans Lake at around 250 MPH. You are instantly vaporized and reformed as a tormented soul writhing in absolute terror in the deafening depths of the Lake that Burns Eternal. The pain is beyond comprehension as you gnash your teeth so hard they shatter in your mouth. Satan periodically plucks you from the flames to savagely rape repeatedly and casually tosses you to his infernal minions to rip apart and rape at will, only to be reformed and have this scenario repeated...over and over and over, forever.
Is it still funny mocking our mission to Save© your soul? We want you to enjoy Heaven and eternal praise and worship at the feet of our Saviour the Lord Jesus Christ.

Unless you are Saved™ by Jesus Christ and His Holy website and favorite church, Landover Baptist, there is no other way to avoid this.

Sorry I didnt respond when I have to wait alot of seconds between posts to reply to every post would take quite a few minutes to respond to every reply so that's why I forgot yours.


Getting to your point about what you said nothing sexual would happen in those places and it sounds more sinful the way your talking about it


It's just a simple massage sure theirs massage oil yes but....that's the same for lotion body wash or any other beneficial medicine or hair brush hair dryer whatever other than the massage nothing else happens its...a simple massage

[James Hutchins]

Re: Hi my name is Alex

Don't think for one minute that your ignoring of my comments is missed by any half intelligent person. Your ignorance of undeniable fact speaks volumes.God is watching.

Consider this:
You're riding your bike home, all tired after a long day of feeling up obese old people. A Good Humor truck comes and runs over your gut, causing your body to burst and spray entrails all over the street.

You're dead
Whether due to your own disgusting sinning or the Lords divine will, you are dead. Instantly your soul begins falling towards the black abyss above Hell. The falling seems eternal as you gather speed and the heat begins to grow. Then you notice a red dot below you growing larger by the second, this is the Lake in the center of Hell. It is the brightest point in Hell therefore it is visible for a great distance. Keep in mind that the farther you fall, the further from Christ you are.
As you gain speed and the flames become apparent you may wonder how you can stop this from happening. The answer is simple. It's too late and you can't, you're doomed. Your soul is damned and it WILL happen. The temperature is now approaching the unbearable limit as your flesh begins to smoulder and ignite and you continue to build speed as you plummet toward the now visible boiling Lake of Fire. You can almost make out individual souls thrashing in the magma with your flaming eyesockets. Soon you will join them, your terror mounts as your screams become gargled with the stench of Hells evil smell. The heat becomes excruciating as you notice your skin peeling away and your bones becoming visible and black. Flaming and screaming in anguish, you splashdown into the acidic brimstone of Satans Lake at around 250 MPH. You are instantly vaporized and reformed as a tormented soul writhing in absolute terror in the deafening depths of the Lake that Burns Eternal. The pain is beyond comprehension as you gnash your teeth so hard they shatter in your mouth. Satan periodically plucks you from the flames to savagely rape repeatedly and casually tosses you to his infernal minions to rip apart and rape at will, only to be reformed and have this scenario repeated...over and over and over, forever.
Is it still funny mocking our mission to Save© your soul? We want you to enjoy Heaven and eternal praise and worship at the feet of our Saviour the Lord Jesus Christ.

Unless you are Saved™ by Jesus Christ and His Holy website and favorite church, Landover Baptist, there is no other way to avoid this.

[Alex112]

Re: Hi my name is Alex

PLEASE, read and learn: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

Just because your source uses the word "science" doesn't mean that's what's actually happening. Look at the article you linked to. There's nothing there except her relating her own experiences. That's NOT science! There are no studies mentioned, nobody's reviewed her work to determine if maybe it's something unrelated to the massage that's actually providing the benefit, etc.

You're accepting HER WORD, because that's all the evidence offered, and that's just not good enough for anyone else.

Btw, no one here is asking you to take their word for anything. Any claims made here will have sources and evidence independent of the one making the claim made available.

When they let you go back to school, stay there, and try to make better use of your time there than you have until now.

I'm still doing the proffession I've been waiting for years to become a massage therapist and I will finally have a chance. My wanted proffession is not sinful and I think it will be beneficial for people

[Didymus Much]

Re: Hi my name is Alex

...uncredited assertions deleted...

PLEASE, read and learn: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

Just because your source uses the word "science" doesn't mean that's what's actually happening. Look at the article you linked to. There's nothing there except her relating her own experiences. That's NOT science! There are no studies mentioned, nobody's reviewed her work to determine if maybe it's something unrelated to the massage that's actually providing the benefit, etc.

You're accepting HER WORD, because that's all the evidence offered, and that's just not good enough for anyone else.

Btw, no one here is asking you to take their word for anything. Any claims made here will have sources and evidence independent of the one making the claim made available.

When they let you go back to school, stay there, and try to make better use of your time there than you have until now.

[Alex112]

Re: Hi my name is Alex

I've read all the posts so far with interest and note that no "proven" anything has turned up yet, other than Biblical claims related to healing (or therapy) which would include massage therapy. Something else I read before posting anything myself was what the ashiatsu people had to say themselves. They have a website done in pastel shades including a page: "What Exactly is Ashiatsu, Anyway?" and although it may not be authoritative (I did not investigate that since I'm not linking to it but it's pretty easy to find) what exactly it is is described as follows. Firstly, it's claimed to be ancient:

So many red flags
• India –› world sump of hindoo idolatry –› Habakkuk 2:18
• Ayurveda –› antediluvian crackpottery involving chakras –› Jeremiah 10:14-15
• Kalaripayattu –› Shrouded in deep mystery and mists of secrecy –› Mark 4:21-22
• martial art –› demonic –› celebrates the "gods" Mars (name) & Shiva (posture)
• Kung Fu –› demonic –› https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA5vIcWP4wY&t=23
• Kathakali –› demonic –› https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6JiokZR-m0
• classical style of dance –› demonic and idolatrous –› https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dPt2WPtlNg

Although we appreciate your engaging with our comments and questions, that response seems different from something really underlying the whole tradition according to sources promoting ashiatsu including the ashiatsu site. There is always a "spiritual" element in anything of this type but if you ask them what "spiritual" means generally they can't tell you. It is nothing like Christianity so why try to incorporate Jesus into something He would have opposed?

Thank you. I'm trying my best to answer all your questions




Well even if some of you dont think it's an okay practice I'm still gonna become an ashiatsu therapist because I dont think it's that bad I've been a christian for a long time this isnt gonna make me stumble I think being an ashiatsu therapist is Gods calling for me in my life

There are worst things than ashiatsu that are not ashiatsu and are actually sinful to proven not to work like all of that foolish clearing the mind meditation sage burning and sun worship

[Alex112]

Re: Hi my name is Alex

I'm still actually waiting for you to answer that question.
How do you know? If you wish to provide evidence about things sinful and immaculate you should, similar to science, provide actual research data. In the case of sin, what is your source to determine when an action belongs to that category? Hint: We use it all the time. Without data you're once again just giving us opinions and your opinions may be correct or false but without evidence they're the Schrödinger's cat of Truth™. As for proof, the Bible also states plainly that it needs to be demonstrated.

Exodus 15:25
And he cried unto the LORD; and the LORD shewed him a tree, which when he had cast into the waters, the waters were made sweet: there he made for them a statute and an ordinance, and there he proved them,

The Lord showed evidence. Are we to determine that you're so much more reliable and faultless that your plain assertions would suffice?


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

https://www.scienceofmassage.com/2013/07/ashiatsu-barefoot-massage-as-a-form-of-sports-therapy/

Here is a quote from the article hold on theres more


Most clients report significant decreases in pain and significant increases in range of motion and athletic performance. Clients with sports or repetitive-strain injuries receiving Ashi-Thai often find they are even more flexible after the sessions than before the tissues were strained!



And this article is about massage in general (it diesnt talk about ashiatsu necessarily but...


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://time.com/5085140/massage-health-benefits/%3Famp%3Dtrue&ved=2ahUKEwjx7Zyg767pAhUyoXIEHThDBlM QFjABegQIDRAK&usg=AOvVaw3stwe1okbxaJOEaW4G6-ny&ampcf=1


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.athletico.com/2013/01/09/the-science-behind-why-massage-works/&ved=2ahUKEwin6-nb7q7pAhUIgXIEHX_FA8EQFjAZegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw0UEbk PVR2A8sI5FT3fzCEa

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Hi my name is Alex

... a practice called “Chavutti Thirumal” is believed to be one of the earliest ancestors of ashiatsu ...

That sounds like an Indian flatbread-making technique. Do you suppose they massage it flat with their feet?

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Hi my name is Alex

I've read all the posts so far with interest and note that no "proven" anything has turned up yet, other than Biblical claims related to healing (or therapy) which would include massage therapy. Something else I read before posting anything myself was what the ashiatsu people had to say themselves. They have a website done in pastel shades including a page: "What Exactly is Ashiatsu, Anyway?" and although it may not be authoritative (I did not investigate that since I'm not linking to it but it's pretty easy to find) what exactly it is is described as follows. Firstly, it's claimed to be ancient:

Is it an Eastern or Western Technique?

In the Kerala region of India, home of Ayurveda, a practice called “Chavutti Thirumal” is believed to be one of the earliest ancestors of ashiatsu … This region of India is the home of the ancient art of Kalaripayattu, a martial art ancestor to Kung Fu, and Kathakali, a classical style of dance.

So many red flags
• India –› world sump of hindoo idolatry –› Habakkuk 2:18
• Ayurveda –› antediluvian crackpottery involving chakras –› Jeremiah 10:14-15
• Kalaripayattu –› Shrouded in deep mystery and mists of secrecy –› Mark 4:21-22
• martial art –› demonic –› celebrates the "gods" Mars (name) & Shiva (posture)
• Kung Fu –› demonic –› https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA5vIcWP4wY&t=23
• Kathakali –› demonic –› https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6JiokZR-m0
• classical style of dance –› demonic and idolatrous –› https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dPt2WPtlNg

There really isnt any underlying philosophy … I havent found anything religious or cultish about it

Although we appreciate your engaging with our comments and questions, that response seems different from something really underlying the whole tradition according to sources promoting ashiatsu including the ashiatsu site. There is always a "spiritual" element in anything of this type but if you ask them what "spiritual" means generally they can't tell you. It is nothing like Christianity so why try to incorporate Jesus into something He would have opposed?

[Maria Knight]

Re: Hi my name is Alex

The massage proffession is not sinful. Dont knownwhere you guys got that idea. Sex out of marriage is sinful and debauchery is sinful massages arent sinful I cant keep explaining this

Sin makes one unclean. Many people who stumble through so-called "massage" parlors are unrepentant of their own sins, therefore making them unclean.


Leviticus 5:3 Or if he touch the uncleanness of man, whatsoever uncleanness it be that a man shall be defiled withal, and it be hid from him; when he knoweth of it, then he shall be guilty.

Not to mention that touching the semiclothed or completely unclothed body during the act of massaging is a very slippery slope to all kinds of debauchery.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Hi my name is Alex

• You never answered why you think that it is ethical to make good money from a practice that has no scientific basis.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

I'm still actually waiting for you to answer that question.

The massage proffession is not sinful. Dont knownwhere you guys got that idea. Sex out of marriage is sinful and debauchery is sinful massages arent sinful I cant keep explaining this

How do you know? If you wish to provide evidence about things sinful and immaculate you should, similar to science, provide actual research data. In the case of sin, what is your source to determine when an action belongs to that category? Hint: We use it all the time. Without data you're once again just giving us opinions and your opinions may be correct or false but without evidence they're the Schrödinger's cat of Truth™. As for proof, the Bible also states plainly that it needs to be demonstrated.

Exodus 15:25
And he cried unto the LORD; and the LORD shewed him a tree, which when he had cast into the waters, the waters were made sweet: there he made for them a statute and an ordinance, and there he proved them,

The Lord showed evidence. Are we to determine that you're so much more reliable and faultless that your plain assertions would suffice?


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Alex112]

Re: Hi my name is Alex

You seem extremely... obsessed... with this particular subject. No matter how you try and justify it, it leads to depravity and sin.


If you obsessed over the Bible (King James version, that is), then perhaps you could overcome whatever weird fetish the Devil put in you and find a real job that God and Jesus would be proud of!

The massage proffession is not sinful. Dont knownwhere you guys got that idea. Sex out of marriage is sinful and debauchery is sinful massages arent sinful I cant keep explaining this

[Maria Knight]

Re: Hi my name is Alex

...(some talk about "massaging" and touching strangers)...

You seem extremely... obsessed... with this particular subject. No matter how you try and justify it, it leads to depravity and sin.


If you obsessed over the Bible (King James version, that is), then perhaps you could overcome whatever weird fetish the Devil put in you and find a real job that God and Jesus would be proud of!

[James Hutchins]

Re: Hi my name is Alex

I can just picture Alexandra here, in the massage parlor. Pouring heated oil all over a clients naked body. Grabbing handfuls of slippery flesh, protruding from the fingers. Under the clients thighs. Higher... higher. The poor client, drugged by the air filled with Frankincense and Myrrh, the devils sounds of the pacific rim hot houses. Unable to resist the seduction and humiliation of what comes next. The demand for an additional $10 ($15 for oration) for a happy ending to this tale of depravity and the threat of posting the encounter online. A sordid tale indeed. As a decent and unperverted True Christian(tm) I for one, do not want to see this ever happen. Not even for $20!