[Davi Sampaio]

Re: Hello Maryland!

Not so long before, when water was in short supply, The Israelites were complaining (as usual) and doubted God. People with preconceptions often do that. But water was in fact available, not from a reservoir or a pump but from God.

EXODUS 17:6 [God speaking] I will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink. And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel.

That does NOT mean that every time water is required a rock should be smitten WHACK! and water will come out of the rock. At that time and in that place, God explained what to do and water was provided. Later on, there was another problem. Since this is in a wilderness where nobody lives because they either die of thirst of go and live somewhere else, water is not generally available. Again those wretched Israelites started complaining, perhaps running on the preconception that since we're in a desert we're all going to die. God isn't interested in preconceptions though and, once again, provided water. But not in the same way as before.

NUMBERS 20:7-8 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink.

https://www.bible.com/bible/1/exo.17.6 •• https://www.bible.com/bible/1/num.20.7-8

The Bible is not contradicting itself, about how to get water from rocks in a desert BECAUSE they were two different rocks in two different places. When I'm thirsty NOW water is provided in a different way. When I'm hungry NOW, what I eat is no more determined by God's commandment for food in the wilderness than what I drink id determined by His commandment about rocks! The reasons why are explained in The New Testament; perhaps if replying you could find that passage (in Acts chapters 10 & 11) as a Bible verse contributing to your intro.

Wow Okay, Thank You

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Hello Maryland!

Thanks for reading my post.

Posted yesterday

When I'm thirsty NOW water is provided in a different way. When I'm hungry NOW, what I eat is no more determined by God's commandment for food in the wilderness than what I drink is determined by His commandment about rocks

God told us what He wanted us to be or not to be

Do not be:
• abominable
• unclean
• defiled

Be:
• sanctified
• holy

Today, for example, I'm having pease pudding with smoked bacon hocks. I'll make some bread and cut up some lettuce and slice the meat (hocks) (I've already done this) together with pickled beetroot and cabbage, it's quite delicious but not something endorsed by God in The Wilderness years. Why? I don't know. God knows though, and God is Jesus. He explained that what one eats is less important than what one does:

MARK 7:15-19 [with context] For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness

Jesus taught us how to think, how to understand abomination, uncleanness and defilement properly. Back then false teachers were everywhere, telling people what to think rather than how to think. They'd prefer to see everyone indoctrinated with their own ridiculous ideas and when Jesus pointed this out, they murdered Him. Murder is one of the things proceeding from within. Murderers are neither sanctified nor holy.

Indoctrination can be very persistent. Poor brainwashed fools just cannot let go of those lies, taught to them by false teachers, exactly as in Jesus' day. Later on, after He ascended into Heaven, there was a ministry to the Romans. One centurion named Cornelius received a vision from God telling him that He had a message for him. Cornelius had to send for Simon Peter to receive this message. He did so and Simon Peter was able to give him the message and share a meal, regardless of what was served. Whether it was pease pudding with smoked bacon hocks I have no idea.

ACTS 10:9b-16 Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: and he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, and saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

CHAPTER 10 CHAPTER 11

Despite clear explanations about how to think, there were still people obsessing over long resolved issues. Some of them turn up in Chapter 11.

[Davi Sampaio]

Re: Hello Maryland!

Thanks for reading my post.

Do not be:
• abominable
• unclean
• defiled

Be:
• sanctified
• holy

Today, for example, I'm having pease pudding with smoked bacon hocks. I'll make some bread and cut up some lettuce and slice the meat (hocks) (I've already done this) together with pickled beetroot and cabbage, it's quite delicious but not something endorsed by God in The Wilderness years. Why? I don't know. God knows though, and God is Jesus. He explained that what one eats is less important than what one does:

MARK 7:15-19 [with context] For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness

Jesus taught us how to think, how to understand abomination, uncleanness and defilement properly. Back then false teachers were everywhere, telling people what to think rather than how to think. They'd prefer to see everyone indoctrinated with their own ridiculous ideas and when Jesus pointed this out, they murdered Him. Murder is one of the things proceeding from within. Murderers are neither sanctified nor holy.

Indoctrination can be very persistent. Poor brainwashed fools just cannot let go of those lies, taught to them by false teachers, exactly as in Jesus' day. Later on, after He ascended into Heaven, there was a ministry to the Romans. One centurion named Cornelius received a vision from God telling him that He had a message for him. Cornelius had to send for Simon Peter to receive this message. He did so and Simon Peter was able to give him the message and share a meal, regardless of what was served. Whether it was pease pudding with smoked bacon hocks I have no idea.

ACTS 10:9b-16 Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: and he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, and saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

CHAPTER 10 CHAPTER 11

Despite clear explanations about how to think, there were still people obsessing over long resolved issues. Some of them turn up in Chapter 11.

Is The Beatles From The Devil?

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Hello Maryland!

Is The Beatles From The Devil?

How do you think we can set about answering that type of question?

SOME MORE EXAMPLES
1. Is the pope Italian?
2. Is pease pudding made from lentils?
3. Are convulsions caused by demons?
4. Does heavy metal promote Church burning?
5(i) Is Stockhausen music?
5(ii) Did Stockhausen inspire any Beatles material?

[James Hutchins]

Re: Hello Maryland!

What escapes me is the lack of geographical knowledge people have.
They think the world s shaped like a ball.
They think the Earth revolves around the sun.
They think Landover is a town.


For the ignorant, Landover Baptist Church is located outside Des Moines in Freehold.

http://www.city-data.com/neighborhood/Freehold-Des-Moines-IA.html

[Dennis Lukes]

Re: Hello Maryland!

What escapes me is the lack of geographical knowledge people have.
They think the world s shaped like a ball.
They think the Earth revolves around the sun.
They think Landover is a town.


For the ignorant, Landover Baptist Church is located outside Des Moines in Freehold.
http://www.city-data.com/neighborhoo...Moines-IA.html

"White 89.4%" - Glory.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Hello Maryland!

Weak on geography, weak on Scripture Knowledge.

shaped like a ball

How often have we heard: "In Isaiah the shape of the world is described using the best words they had and they didn't have words to describe ball-shaped objects." Here is the passage they're referring to, in context.

Isaiah 40:18-23 To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him? The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains. He that is so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree that will not rot; he seeketh unto him a cunning workman to prepare a graven image, that shall not be moved. Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: that bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity.

Isaiah is relating what God has told him. Some people adore idols, Isaiah explains, fancying that special magic "energy" resides in cast and gilded statues adorned with silver chains. Not everyone can afford goldsmiths, Isaiah continues, so they get a lump of wood and carve that but even then a cunning workman is needed to bolt the thing down so that it doesn't fall over. Do they really think it created the world? Or can save lives? It can't even stop itself from falling off the shelf!

Now compare God. He observes us and even though we're tiny from His perspective He sees across the full compass of the earth. He arranges the stars any way He likes, to suit His purpose. What lump of wood can say that? Or say or do anything? When we refer to a circle of friends we don't mean that they're round. We don't mean they're spherical. Rectangular prism? Tetrahedron? Weird morphing thing there's no word for even in Esperanto? NO. Because the circle of one's friends does not refer to their shape at all.

God is not a weird morphing thing. He knows the shape of the earth and Isaiah DID have a word for ball-shaped objects. He uses it in the very same book! Don't these wretches read anything before spouting off such easily refuted arguments? Here is the text concerned, again showing context.

Isaiah 22:15-21 Thus saith the Lord GOD of hosts, Go, get thee unto this treasurer, even unto Shebna, which is over the house, and say, What hast thou here? and whom hast thou here, that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock? Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down. And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will call my servant Eliakim the son of Hilkiah: and I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

Here God is speaking directly through Isaiah. The treasurer seems to have been skimming, diverting funds to what we'd call a private mausoleum. Glorifying oneself in that way is unacceptable to God and here He's announcing that Eliakim will be replacing Shebna with advanced prejudice. Being tossed like a ball is something a child would understand and impossible to convey without a word for ball-shaped objects.

God is always clear. Just read The Bible.