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  • #16
    Re: I'm asking for it aint I?

    Originally posted by gadien View Post
    OK that's an answer to one of my questions I guess. So being good for the sake of good isn't part of the equation, being good because god says so = good. Do you think people would still be good, in the context with the above info, without retribution? Basically, would some saved people be godly good for the sake that god commands it without retribution? Also, are people who only act in accordance with god's law to avoid punishment truly saved?
    You just don't get it. Being good for the sake of being good will lead you to Hell. Being Saved by Bathing in the Blood of Jesus and believing in every Word of the KJV1611 will get you to Heaven. What you REALLY don't understand that once you are Saved, Jesus guides you and Satan cannot lure you into EVIL works. Once you are Saved your works are ALWAYS GOOD because those works are inspired by Jesus. Do you understand?

    Yours in Christ
    Brother Lazarus
    In the Beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth. Genesis 1.1. This scripture is the first verse of the Bible for a reason. It lays the foundation for the absolute truth found in God's Holy WORD, the Bible.

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    • #17
      Re: I'm asking for it aint I?

      Originally posted by Brother Lazarus View Post
      You just don't get it. Being good for the sake of being good will lead you to Hell. Being Saved by Bathing in the Blood of Jesus and believing in every Word of the KJV1611 will get you to Heaven. What you REALLY don't understand that once you are Saved, Jesus guides you and Satan cannot lure you into EVIL works. Once you are Saved your works are ALWAYS GOOD because those works are inspired by Jesus. Do you understand?

      Yours in Christ
      Brother Lazarus
      OK that answers another question. We are getting somewhere Basically, if I understand you correctly, once a person is saved they are saved forever. They can be tested, but because they are saved it won't work since Jesus will be there to show the correct path at all times.

      Now, do you think that more people are lead to the path of salvation because retribution is involved? If retribution wasn't part of the equation, would the same people who are lead to righteousness now still be lead to righteousness without it? Would people still do godly deeds because god commands it? Its not the same as being good for the sake of being good, but its being good because god says it is right.

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      • #18
        Re: I'm asking for it aint I?

        Originally posted by gadien View Post
        OK that answers another question. We are getting somewhere Basically, if I understand you correctly, once a person is saved they are saved forever. They can be tested, but because they are saved it won't work since Jesus will be there to show the correct path at all times.

        Now, do you think that more people are lead to the path of salvation because retribution is involved? If retribution wasn't part of the equation, would the same people who are lead to righteousness now still be lead to righteousness without it? Would people still do godly deeds because god commands it? Its not the same as being good for the sake of being good, but its being good because god says it is right.
        Again, you are confused. Retribution has nothing to do with it. You Bathe yourself in the Blood of Jesus becase it is the RIGHT THING TO DO. if you choose to do wrong, you pay the consequences.

        Yours in Christ
        Brother Lazarus
        In the Beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth. Genesis 1.1. This scripture is the first verse of the Bible for a reason. It lays the foundation for the absolute truth found in God's Holy WORD, the Bible.

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        • #19
          Re: I'm asking for it aint I?

          Originally posted by Brother Lazarus View Post
          Again, you are confused. Retribution has nothing to do with it. You Bathe yourself in the Blood of Jesus becase it is the RIGHT THING TO DO. if you choose to do wrong, you pay the consequences.

          Yours in Christ
          Brother Lazarus
          No I get how a person is saved. What I think you may be over looking is that some people are lead to seek out good only because of consequences of their actions. If the consequences weren't there, would more or less people seek out good? Would those who are lead to salvation still be lead to salvation if God didn't punish people for following his rules.

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          • #20
            Re: I'm asking for it aint I?

            Originally posted by gadien View Post
            No I get how a person is saved. What I think you may be over looking is that some people are lead to seek out good only because of consequences of their actions. If the consequences weren't there, would more or less people seek out good? Would those who are lead to salvation still be lead to salvation if God didn't punish people for following his rules.
            Correction- For not following his rules. I can't edit.

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            • #21
              Re: I'm asking for it aint I?

              You sure ask a lot of questions, for a ninja.
              May you be a blessing to every life you touch.

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              • #22
                Re: I'm asking for it aint I?

                Originally posted by gadien View Post
                No I get how a person is saved. What I think you may be over looking is that some people are lead to seek out good only because of consequences of their actions. If the consequences weren't there, would more or less people seek out good? Would those who are lead to salvation still be lead to salvation if God didn't punish people for following his rules.
                Those "some people" who do good because to do bad would lead to unwanted consequenses are doomed to Hell. Bottom line, (and if you are still too stupid to understand, so be it) you are saved by being washed in the Blood of Jesus and reading and obeying EVERY SINGLE WORD of the KJV1611. This is you salvation. Once saved, Satan CANNOT inspire you to do evil. That's it, end of story. I'm done repeating this to you.

                Yours in Christ
                Brother lazarus
                In the Beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth. Genesis 1.1. This scripture is the first verse of the Bible for a reason. It lays the foundation for the absolute truth found in God's Holy WORD, the Bible.

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                • #23
                  Re: I'm asking for it aint I?

                  Originally posted by Nobar King View Post
                  You sure ask a lot of questions, for a ninja.
                  Gaiden is Japanese for side story or letter, but I spelled it wrong so my name means nothing

                  Originally posted by Brother Lazarus View Post
                  Those "some people" who do good because to do bad would lead to unwanted consequences are doomed to Hell. Bottom line, (and if you are still too stupid to understand, so be it) you are saved by being washed in the Blood of Jesus and reading and obeying EVERY SINGLE WORD of the KJV1611. This is you salvation. Once saved, Satan CANNOT inspire you to do evil. That's it, end of story. I'm done repeating this to you.

                  Yours in Christ
                  Brother lazarus
                  Actually, that's the first time you, or anyone else has said it. Now that that question is answered, we agree that people who do good to avoid punishment aren't really saved and are going to hell.

                  Now, we know that God created hell to punish people for not obeying his laws, but he also chose to tell humans about its existence. Since God is omniscience, omnipotent, and timeless we can assume that God purposefully chose to inform people of hell. Why chose to tell people about? I believe the reason being is because some people could only be lead to salvation with that knowledge. While some people aren't saved because they are just trying to avoid punishment, others are lead to play the part at first but eventually are truly saved. Do you believe that is true?

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                  • #24
                    Re: I'm asking for it aint I?

                    Originally posted by gadien View Post
                    Gaiden is Japanese for side story or letter, but I spelled it wrong so my name means nothing



                    Actually, that's the first time you, or anyone else has said it. Now that that question is answered, we agree that people who do good to avoid punishment aren't really saved and are going to hell.

                    Now, we know that God created hell to punish people for not obeying his laws, but he also chose to tell humans about its existence. Since God is omniscience, omnipotent, and timeless we can assume that God purposefully chose to inform people of hell. Why chose to tell people about? I believe the reason being is because some people could only be lead to salvation with that knowledge. While some people aren't saved because they are just trying to avoid punishment, others are lead to play the part at first but eventually are truly saved. Do you believe that is true?
                    I believe in every single WORD of the KJV1611. I advise you to do the same.

                    Yours in Christ
                    Brother Lazarus
                    In the Beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth. Genesis 1.1. This scripture is the first verse of the Bible for a reason. It lays the foundation for the absolute truth found in God's Holy WORD, the Bible.

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                    • #25
                      Re: I'm asking for it aint I?

                      Originally posted by gadien View Post
                      Gaiden is Japanese for side story or letter, but I spelled it wrong so my name means nothing

                      What are you, another one of these chink wannabe's?
                      Who Will Jesus Damn?

                      Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

                      Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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                      • #26
                        Re: I'm asking for it aint I?

                        Originally posted by gadien View Post
                        Gaiden is Japanese for side story or letter, but I spelled it wrong so my name means nothing
                        Yes it does. It means 'bakayaro'.
                        Emeritus Professor of the Christ Jesus Chair of Theology at Landover Baptist University.
                        "God loves you. Let us arrange for you to meet Him".
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                        • #27
                          Re: I'm asking for it aint I?

                          Originally posted by Brother Lazarus View Post
                          I believe in every single WORD of the KJV1611. I advise you to do the same.

                          Yours in Christ
                          Brother Lazarus
                          Can you give me some direction then? When in the KJV does it say why God told people about hell?

                          Only mentioned what Gaiden meant because he thought my name was based on a video game. Its not, and its not based on the Japanese word either.

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