[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hello All

From my sermon HERE.

Have you been to Jesus for the cleansing power?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?
Are you fully trusting in His grace this hour?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?

Not according to the new Bible Per-Versions!

Not according to the New International Version (NIV), New American Standard Version (NASV), New Living Bible, New Revised Standard Versions (NRSV), Revised Standard Version (RSV), The Living Bible (TLV), Today's English Version, Contemporary English Version (CEV), International Standard Version: (ISV) and the other Per-Versions!

Revelation 1:5 clearly reads in the King James Bible:

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, (KJV)

But you are NOT "washed in the blood" in the New Per-Versions . . .

American Standard Version (ASV) reads:

and from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loveth us, and loosed us from our sins by his blood;

Amplified Bible reads:

and from Jesus Christ the faithful and trustworthy Witness, the First-born of the dead [first to be brought back to life] and the Prince (Ruler) of the kings of the earth. To Him Who ever loves us, and has once [for all] loosed and freed us from our sins by His own blood.

Contemporary English Version (CEV) reads:

May kindness and peace be yours from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness. Jesus was the first to conquer death, and he is the ruler of all earthly kings. Christ loves us, and by his blood he set us free from our sins.

Good News for Modern Man reads:

and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn Son who was raised from death, who is also the ruler of the kings of the earth. He loves us, and by his death he has freed us from our sins

International Standard Version (ISV) reads:

and from Jesus Christ, the witness, the faithful one, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To the one who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood;

Living Bible (TLV) reads:

and from Jesus Christ who faithfully reveals all truth to us. He was the first to rise from death, to die no more. He is far greater than any king in all the earth. All praise to him who always loves us and who set us free from our sins by pouring out his lifeblood for us.

New American Standard Version (NASV) reads:

and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood

New Century Version (NCV) reads:

and from Jesus Christ, Jesus is the faithful witness, the first among those raised from the dead. He is the ruler of the kings of the earth. He is the One who loves us, who made us free from our sins with the blood of his death.

New International Version (NIV) reads:

and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood,

New Living Bible reads:

and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness to these things, the first to rise from the dead, and the commander of all the rulers of the world. All praise to him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by shedding his blood for us.

New Revised Standard Version (NRSV) reads:

and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and freed us from our sins by his blood

New Testament in Modern English (J.B. Phillips) reads:

and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, firstborn of the dead, and ruler of kings upon earth. To him who loves us and has set us free from our sins through his own blood

Revised Standard Version (RSV) reads:

and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the first-born of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood

Today's English Version reads:

and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the first to be raised from death and who is also the ruler of the kings of the world. He loves us, and by his sacrificial death he has freed us from our sins

The shocking FACT is ・NOWHERE in the new Per-Versions do they read "you are washed in the blood"!

I repeat ・NOWHERE do the new Per-Versions read "you are washed in the blood"!


What can wash away my sins?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
What can wash away my sins?
Nothing . . . According to the new Per-Versions

Oh Happy day when Jesus washed my sins away! ・ Not according to the NIV, NASV, NCV, CEV, at al!


According to the NIV, NASV, NCV, CEV and other Per-Versions ・Jesus Christ did not wash your sins away!

I don't know about you — but thank God (and no thanks to the new Per-Versions) — "I'm Washed in the Blood of the Lamb"!

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, (KJV)

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Hello All

as for your quiz, I took it, I saw a whole pack of lies too.

I'm afraid you'll have to give me an example of anything on that quiz page that isn't true.

all Bible ARE the same, just expressed in different type of English, but you are too blind to even see this...

My ability to see that all Bibles are not created equal and do not convey the same message means that I am blind, but your inability to distinguish one from the other means you can see?

Are Bibles that are missing important words, phrases, and even entire verses that existed in the original text are just as good as Bibles that are complete?

Are Bibles that phrase passages in such a way as to cast doubt on the divinity of Jesus just as good as Bibles that retain the original meaning of the passages?

Are Bibles translated by homosexual activists to downplay God's admonitions against homosexuality just as good as Bibles that stick to the original text?

Are Bibles whose copyright is controlled by a company that prints gay sex how-to manuals and The Satanic Bible just as good as a Bible that is in the public domain that anyone can print and freely distribute?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

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There you go again, being judgmental again, without even knowing the true facts. Skimmed through a few Bible versions....if you only knew sir...I probably know and understand the Bible more than you'll ever know and understand it... as for your quiz, I took it, I saw a whole pack of lies too...Pastor Ruben and all of you here, you don't know shit about the Bible, you claim to have the only real Bible and condemn the rest of the Bibles of this world, let me enlighten you, you really read the Bible, you would NOT condemn anyone or their Bible, because any Bible of this world, and I am not talking about the Koran or other books like that, I am talking about the Bible and only what 100 % of all other people call the Bible, they ARE all the same, and you have failed to answer my question, all of you, to tell me what the main theme of the Bible is, let me tell you what the theme of the Bible is, the theme of the Bible is proclaiming God's Kingdom and and the sanctification of his Name, which all of you ignorant dumbasses fail to acknowledge, if you were to do a real research on His real name you would realize that his name is Jehovah and you and that so-called God inspired King James of England omit that from your so-called real Bible. At least the JWs have researched it properly and put His name in the correct places as it should be, as a university of religious studies has ven said about their Bible:

In 2003 Jason BeDuhn, associate professor of religious studies at Northern Arizona University in the United States, published a 200-page study of nine of “the Bibles most widely in use in the English-speaking world,” including the New American Bible, The King James Bible and The New International Version. His study examined several passages of Scripture that are controversial, where “bias is most likely to interfere with translation”. For each passage, he compared the Greek text with the renderings of each English translation, and he looked for biased attempts to change the meaning. BeDuhn states that the general public and many Bible scholars assume that the differences in the New World Translation (NW) are due to religious bias on the part of its translators. However, he states: “Most of the differences are due to the greater accuracy of the NW as a literal, conservative translation.” While BeDuhn disagrees with certain renderings of the New World Translation, he says that it emerges as the most accurate of the translations compared,” calling it a “remarkably good” translation.

Dr. Jason BeDuhn, states of the NWT that its “translation of John 1:1 is superior to” the other translations he considered. He continues, “It may well be that the NW translators came to the task of translating John 1:1 with as much bias as the other translators did. It just so happens that their bias corresponds in this case to a more accurate translation of the Greek. ... The NW translation of John 1:1 is superior to that of the other eight translations we are comparing. I do not think it is the best possible translation for a modern English reader; but at least it breaks with the KJV tradition followed by all the others, and it does so in the right direction by paying attention to how Greek grammar and syntax actually work.”

So put that in your pipe and smoke it...have fun you all, enjoy your debauchery of your so-called True Christianity, because you could not be further from the Truth, this will be my last post because I have decided to put an end to all this debacle because I realize you're just a waste of my precious time...now, I think I will be studying the Bible with my JW friend, notice I did not say the real Bible or the only true Bible, because I am not like that, all Bible ARE the same, just expressed in different type of English, but you are too blind to even see this...

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Hello All

Please study my sermon on the subject HERE. Get back to me after you've read it thoroughly. I'm sure an unsaved heathen like you will have plenty of questions.

He won't read it thoroughly. He'll ignore the majority of it just like he ignores the majority of any post directed at him.

He's too lazy to learn and he thinks he knows everything, just because he has skimmed through a few Bible versions, and he thinks that if he repeats his mantra of "a Bible is a Bible" enough times, it will become true. I'm almost certain he didn't take that open-Bible quiz that I linked for him.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

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Please study my sermon on the subject HERE. Get back to me after you've read it thoroughly. I'm sure an unsaved heathen like you will have plenty of questions.

I have read it already and have no questions because that answered all my questions...as for calling me a heathen, what ever...

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Hmmmmm, I guess the truth hurts doesn't it? It must since I got penalized again by Pastor Ezekiel for saying the KJV is not better than another Bible out there...and I just stated some real facts about how that Bible came about to be...a Bible is a Bible people...can any of you tell me what the Bible's theme is?

Please study my sermon on the subject HERE. Get back to me after you've read it thoroughly. I'm sure an unsaved heathen like you will have plenty of questions.

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Hmmmmm, I guess the truth hurts doesn't it? It must since I got penalized again by Pastor Ezekiel for saying the KJV is not better than another Bible out there...and I just stated some real facts about how that Bible came about to be...a Bible is a Bible people...can any of you tell me what the Bible's theme is?

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Perhaps they should start with a real Bible.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

Define a real Bible? KJV? HA! That is a Bible version that King James of England had written by 47 scribes or scholars from another copy of the Bible that he found offensive, and I would like anyone to prove to me that King James of England was inspired by God himself in the Bible, the Bible was written way before King James of England ever existed. Nowhere in the Bible does it mention anything of King James of England, so why should his version be the only one True Bible?

I found this on the KJV:

The translators render the Tetragrammaton YHWH or the name Yahweh by the use of small capitals as LORD or occasionally JEHOVAH, or Lord GOD (for Adonai YHWH, "Lord YHWH"), denoting the divine name. Jesus is referred to as Lord with a capital "L" and lower case "ord" as the example of the scripture in Psalm 110:1 "The LORD said unto my Lord, sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool".

You might want to explain why they did that? If Jehovah is really the English way of pronouncing YHWH why replace it? Funny how the NWT uses this name alot...

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

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Funny that you say that not all Bible are created equal, because I have not found big differences between all of them at all

You haven't been looking hard enough. The differences are there. Most of them are subtle but still important.

Try this open-Bible quiz here. I know the quiz was written for the NIV, but I think you will have similar results with your NRSV or the Watchtower Bible.

plus it is in a more modern English than most, which is simpler to understand.

Right, eliminating a few verb tenses and pronoun forms that aren't used in our modern dumbed-down speech, blurring specific meaning that was there in the original, makes it easier to understand.

Did deleting verses that the translators disagreed with also make it simpler to understand?

JWs do not believe in infant baptism, they get baptized at a mature age

I didn't say one word about JW's beliefs concerning baptism. I only said that it is clear that their Bible is based upon one who's translators believed in infant Baptism, so they deleted a verse they found offensive.

but they do try their best to follow God's word like they understand it...

Perhaps they should start with a real Bible.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

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Did you read the chapter I linked for you? It was Matthew 23. Jesus called the Pharisees all sorts of ugly names. Are you saying that wasn't OK, or that Jesus didn't love the Pharisees?

You can call someone you love all sorts of ugly names and still love them.


No, friend. I turn the other cheek just like Jesus said. SHOUT GLORY!


I believe if I read the Bible in French I'd try to forget about it too . That was just a joke, friend.

I'm glad the NIV wasn't in that list. Many Bibles change the text to contain subtle yet heretical doctrinal changes, and the NIV is the worst offender that I am aware of.

The NASB isn't that bad. It isn't great, but it isn't bad. However, your Jehova's Witness Bible and your NRSV are almost as bad as the NIV.

I can give you a quick example.

In Acts 8, the eunuch asks Philip what he needs to do to become baptized. Philip's answer is in Acts 8:38. The authors of the NIV, NRSV, and the Watchtower bible believed in infant baptism, so they simply deleted the verse that contains Philip's answer, that one must believe to be baptized.

I can give you many more examples like that. Not all Bibles are created equal.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

Funny that you say that not all Bible are created equal, because I have not found big differences between all of them at all, the only real different one was the NWT from the JWs, where they have the name Jehovah in the places of The Almighty and other God references that some others put, other than that not much different...plus it is in a more modern English than most, which is simpler to understand.

Again from my friend's references, JWs do not believe in infant baptism, they get baptized at a mature age, and that depending on the person's maturity and reasoning, and they have to answer to some 80 some questions about their beliefs to qualify for baptism, and those are just to make sure that they understand what they are doing and it's significance of baptism. My friend gave a book with all their beliefs, very interesting read I might add, it has changed my whole view on them, of course they are not perfect like anybody on this earth, but they do try their best to follow God's word like they understand it...

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

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The Bible does say to love our neighbor, and you are saying that calling your fellow Canadian neighbors all sorts of ugly names is okay? Very contradictory to what the Bible says if I recall so...

Did you read the chapter I linked for you? It was Matthew 23. Jesus called the Pharisees all sorts of ugly names. Are you saying that wasn't OK, or that Jesus didn't love the Pharisees?

You can call someone you love all sorts of ugly names and still love them.

When you get attacked, don't you defend yourself? I did too...

No, friend. I turn the other cheek just like Jesus said. SHOUT GLORY!

I have read the King James version, The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures version, the New American Standard Bible and the New Revised Standard Version Bible and oh I almost forgot, the french version, la Bible de Jérusalem. So, I stand corrected, I have read it 5 times...

I believe if I read the Bible in French I'd try to forget about it too . That was just a joke, friend.

I'm glad the NIV wasn't in that list. Many Bibles change the text to contain subtle yet heretical doctrinal changes, and the NIV is the worst offender that I am aware of.

The NASB isn't that bad. It isn't great, but it isn't bad. However, your Jehova's Witness Bible and your NRSV are almost as bad as the NIV.

I can give you a quick example.

In Acts 8, the eunuch asks Philip what he needs to do to become baptized. Philip's answer is in Acts 8:38. The authors of the NIV, NRSV, and the Watchtower bible believed in infant baptism, so they simply deleted the verse that contains Philip's answer, that one must believe to be baptized.

I can give you many more examples like that. Not all Bibles are created equal.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

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Hello friend. Welcome to our forum?


Where in the Bible does it say, "Thou shalt not resort to name-calling"? Nowhere, because calling names is an effective attention grabber. That tactic has been perfected by the master. Would Jesus call people names if it meant he would grab their attention? You betcha!

The Bible does have a thing or two to say about hypocrisy, though...

So you can call names, but no one else is allowed.


Which versions have you read? Was the King James one of those versions? So far, is there one you would call a favorite?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

Dear sir,

The Bible does say to love our neighbor, and you are saying that calling your fellow Canadian neighbors all sorts of ugly names is okay? OUCH! Very contradictory to what the Bible says if I recall so... When you get attacked, don't you defend yourself? I did too...
I have read the King James version, The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures version, the New American Standard Bible and the New Revised Standard Version Bible and oh I almost forgot, the french version, la Bible de Jérusalem. So, I stand corrected, I have read it 5 times...

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

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Hello friend. Welcome to our forum?

You are so not following your Bible what so ever, you have called me names, Idiot, plus been treated like the following:

Where in the Bible does it say, "Thou shalt not resort to name-calling"? Nowhere, because calling names is an effective attention grabber. That tactic has been perfected by the master. Would Jesus call people names if it meant he would grab their attention? You betcha!

The Bible does have a thing or two to say about hypocrisy, though...

back off bitch

So you can call names, but no one else is allowed.

I am 40 yrs old and I do not attend any church, I have read 4 different versions of the Holy Bible and on my fifth version now, I compare them to see the difference, which I have previously stated, that they all are the same basically so far.

Which versions have you read? Was the King James one of those versions? So far, is there one you would call a favorite?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

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I have been fines with demerit point for calling your religion a cult, do you even know the definition of a cult? Look it up for crying out loud! Better yet from wikipedia:

Cult definitions coined from 1920 onward refer to a cohesive social group and their devotional beliefs or practices, which the surrounding population considers to be outside of mainstream cultures. The surrounding population may be as small as a neighborhood, or as large as the community of nations. They gratify curiosity about, take action against, or ignore a group, depending on its reputed similarity to cults previously reported by mass media.
The spelling c-u-l-t has at least nine defined meanings divided among positive, negative, and neutral connotations:

• Positive: In common or popular usage, "cult" has a positive connotation for fan groups of art, music, writing, fiction, and fashion devotees (see Cult following). "Cult" also has a positive connotation when used in the original and classic sense of veneration by any group of worshipers, though this meaning is usually applied to groups known from antiquity, including historic cults of the major religions (see Cult (religious practice)).

• Negative: Also in common or popular usage, "cult" has a negative connotation for new religious, extreme political, questionable therapeutic, and pyramidal business groups. Theological cults also have a negative connotation as defined by fundamentalist Christians to include both new and major religion groups. For these reasons, most, if not all, non-fan groups that are called cults reject this label.

• Neutral: In twentieth century and some current scientific usage, "cult" is a technical term with a neutral connotation (see Sociology of religion). Neutral usage of "cult" in sociological science has been partly replaced by the phrase new religious movement (NRM) – but not entirely: because not all sociologically-defined cults are new or religious, there was a formal objection to the term-replacing campaign as "politics of representation", and ultimately the public didn't accept the replacement term.

Between 3,000 and 5,000 neutrally-defined sociological cults existed in the United States in 1995. Since less than 200 groups have been reported by governments as cults entangled with the law, and less than 20 have been described as destructive cults, the vast majority of non-fan groups referred to as cults are well-behaved and known only to their neighbours

And from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Cult:

cult Pronunciation: \ˈkəlt\ Function:noun Usage:often attributive Etymology:French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate — more at wheelDate:1617 1: formal religious veneration : worship2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual ; also : its body of adherents3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious ; also : its body of adherents4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>5 a: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book) ; especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b: the object of such devotion c: a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion

What seems so wrong about that? Religion or cult, call it what you will...gee wizz...

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We are not especially interested in the opinions of unsaved trash. You people tend to get things all screwed up, and then throw a hissy fit when we correct you based on God's Holy Word.

How old are you? Why haven't you attended an Independent Baptist Church? Which version of the Holy Bible are you reading?

I am 40 yrs old and I do not attend any church, I have read 4 different versions of the Holy Bible and on my fifth version now, I compare them to see the difference, which I have previously stated, that they all are the same basically so far.