Knowing God through Jesus

[Tar Heel Sk8tr]

So, I stumbled upon this web site today and I couldn't help but post the questions that immediately jumped out at me after reading through many of LBC's positions on a lot of different religious and moral issues.

- Who is Jesus to you? What is possible now since Jesus came into the world that wasn't possible in ancient times?
- Who did Jesus minister to the most? Was it the Pharisees (who were convinced they had everything figured out) or was it the prostitutes and the thieves, the sick and afflicted? Did He agree with the Pharisees?
- The gospel of Jesus Christ changed (and is changing) the world. Many 'old testament' laws were changed by Jesus. Consider the following:
--- Luke 6:37 -> "Do not judge, and you will not be judged; do not condemn and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven; Give, and it will be given to you..."
--- Luke 6:27 -> "But I say to you that listen, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you." As Christians reading this verse, are we called to be the haters, cursers, and abusers? It seems clear that we should, in fact, be the do-gooders, the blessers, and the prayers.

You quote 2 Corinthians 6:14 as grounds for cursing and hating and casting out the unbelievers of the world. Is that what Paul has said? I would agree that it is inappropriate to surround yourself with relationships with those who seek out pleasure and the ungodly, but have we not been commanded to show the unbelievers compassion? To share with them the gospel of Christ? To love them and lift them up? How is any of that possible if we are quick to judge them and denounce them and cast them out?

I would challenge you to take a minute to consider what Jesus has done for us. He died for our sins, he taught us principles of love and forgiveness that were unknown to the ancients. He made it possible for us to live in the presence of God. If you remember, even the ancient prophets could not bear to exist in the presence of God -- think of Moses on Sionai, who pleaded with God to see His face. God told Moses he would die in His presence, so He offered a glimpse of His back, which clothed Moses's face in light. Moses did not have a savior. We do. We can live in the presence of God every day. God can live within us, because of Christ's sacrifice. I have faith that if you allow Him into your heart and abide in Him continually, your perspective will become much clearer. He will guide you. Yes, it is true that the bible is the inspired word of God -- but even the bible was recorded by men. God is here with us, because of Jesus, we can receive His understanding at any time, on any matter.

[Brother Lazarus]

Re: Knowing God through Jesus

So, I stumbled upon this web site today and I couldn't help but post the questions that immediately jumped out at me after reading through many of LBC's positions on a lot of different religious and moral issues.

- Who is Jesus to you? What is possible now since Jesus came into the world that wasn't possible in ancient times?
- Who did Jesus minister to the most? Was it the Pharisees (who were convinced they had everything figured out) or was it the prostitutes and the thieves, the sick and afflicted? Did He agree with the Pharisees?
- The gospel of Jesus Christ changed (and is changing) the world. Many 'old testament' laws were changed by Jesus. Consider the following:
--- Luke 6:37 -> "Do not judge, and you will not be judged; do not condemn and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven; Give, and it will be given to you..."
--- Luke 6:27 -> "But I say to you that listen, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you." As Christians reading this verse, are we called to be the haters, cursers, and abusers? It seems clear that we should, in fact, be the do-gooders, the blessers, and the prayers.

You quote 2 Corinthians 6:14 as grounds for cursing and hating and casting out the unbelievers of the world. Is that what Paul has said? I would agree that it is inappropriate to surround yourself with relationships with those who seek out pleasure and the ungodly, but have we not been commanded to show the unbelievers compassion? To share with them the gospel of Christ? To love them and lift them up? How is any of that possible if we are quick to judge them and denounce them and cast them out?

I would challenge you to take a minute to consider what Jesus has done for us. He died for our sins, he taught us principles of love and forgiveness that were unknown to the ancients. He made it possible for us to live in the presence of God. If you remember, even the ancient prophets could not bear to exist in the presence of God -- think of Moses on Sionai, who pleaded with God to see His face. God told Moses he would die in His presence, so He offered a glimpse of His back, which clothed Moses's face in light. Moses did not have a savior. We do. We can live in the presence of God every day. God can live within us, because of Christ's sacrifice. I have faith that if you allow Him into your heart and abide in Him continually, your perspective will become much clearer. He will guide you. Yes, it is true that the bible is the inspired word of God -- but even the bible was recorded by men. God is here with us, because of Jesus, we can receive His understanding at any time, on any matter.

Welcome to God's favorite forum where proper spelling, grammar, punctuation and sentence structure are always appreciated.

Virtually all of your questions can be answered if you read the Pastors Rules and Announcements. The "noobs" thread is especially helpful.

There is also a "search" function on this bulletin board. You will find it quite handy.

If you still have questions, I'm sure the Pastors and other True Christians will be quite helpful.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Tar Heel Sk8tr]

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I've read everything that has been written for the "noobs" of this forum.

I guess the majority of my concern rests in the fact that your approach to spreading the gospel is one of negativity through rebuking the unbelievers, where mine is to love them and show them the truth through Christ's teachings; sharing God with them through the life I live.

Why am I wrong?

[Talitha]

Re: Knowing God through Jesus

I've read everything that has been written for the "noobs" of this forum.

I guess the majority of my concern rests in the fact that your approach to spreading the gospel is one of negativity through rebuking the unbelievers, where mine is to love them and show them the truth through Christ's teachings; sharing God with them through the life I live.

Why am I wrong?

Which Bible do you follow?

[Tar Heel Sk8tr]

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Why does that matter?

I usually read either the NRSV (because it was constructed by scholars of ancient texts and is respected by most academics, both the believing and the unbelieving) or the KJV (because that's what I grew up reading).

[Myron Pollard]

Re: Knowing God through Jesus

So, I stumbled upon this web site today and I couldn't help but post the questions that immediately jumped out at me after reading through many of LBC's positions on a lot of different religious and moral issues.

- Who is Jesus to you? What is possible now since Jesus came into the world that wasn't possible in ancient times?
- Who did Jesus minister to the most? Was it the Pharisees (who were convinced they had everything figured out) or was it the prostitutes and the thieves, the sick and afflicted? Did He agree with the Pharisees?
- The gospel of Jesus Christ changed (and is changing) the world. Many 'old testament' laws were changed by Jesus. Consider the following:
--- Luke 6:37 -> "Do not judge, and you will not be judged; do not condemn and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven; Give, and it will be given to you..."
--- Luke 6:27 -> "But I say to you that listen, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you." As Christians reading this verse, are we called to be the haters, cursers, and abusers? It seems clear that we should, in fact, be the do-gooders, the blessers, and the prayers.

You quote 2 Corinthians 6:14 as grounds for cursing and hating and casting out the unbelievers of the world. Is that what Paul has said? I would agree that it is inappropriate to surround yourself with relationships with those who seek out pleasure and the ungodly, but have we not been commanded to show the unbelievers compassion? To share with them the gospel of Christ? To love them and lift them up? How is any of that possible if we are quick to judge them and denounce them and cast them out?

I would challenge you to take a minute to consider what Jesus has done for us. He died for our sins, he taught us principles of love and forgiveness that were unknown to the ancients. He made it possible for us to live in the presence of God. If you remember, even the ancient prophets could not bear to exist in the presence of God -- think of Moses on Sionai, who pleaded with God to see His face. God told Moses he would die in His presence, so He offered a glimpse of His back, which clothed Moses's face in light. Moses did not have a savior. We do. We can live in the presence of God every day. God can live within us, because of Christ's sacrifice. I have faith that if you allow Him into your heart and abide in Him continually, your perspective will become much clearer. He will guide you. Yes, it is true that the bible is the inspired word of God -- but even the bible was recorded by men. God is here with us, because of Jesus, we can receive His understanding at any time, on any matter.

Why does that matter?

I usually read either the NRSV (because it was constructed by scholars of ancient texts and is respected by most academics, both the believing and the unbelieving) or the KJV (because that's what I grew up reading).

Are you some kind of Episcopal?

[James Hutchins]

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I've read everything that has been written for the "noobs" of this forum.

I guess the majority of my concern rests in the fact that your approach to spreading the gospel is one of negativity through rebuking the unbelievers, where mine is to love them and show them the truth through Christ's teachings; sharing God with them through the life I live.

Why am I wrong?

We do not spread a tone of negativity. The problem people have with us is we tell it straight. We do not coddle or candy coat it. We are not politically correct. We do not hide from the truth. Most of the world does all these things and it only served to dig a massive abyss.
Would you want me to tell your fly is down or should we just snicker and point? Of course, you want to know, but society today is afraid of being called sexist or a sexual harassment suit so people say nothing. Think about it.

Sadly, many people are wrong. Many do not realize it. They walk about in complete oblivion only to realize at time of death they made terrible mistakes and are going to spend eternity in fiery hell.
You have a chance to repent and accept Jesus and Gods True Vision© and become a True Christian™ as told in the KJV1611 Bible. I urge you to speak to a pastor about achieving True Salvation©.

[Tar Heel Sk8tr]

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I am a follower of Christ and I am alive in God.

I attend a Baptist community of believers on Sundays, but I think it's immature to become wrapped up in the labels of denominations.

[Tar Heel Sk8tr]

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We do not spread a tone of negativity. The problem people have with us is we tell it straight. We do not coddle or candy coat it. We are not politically correct. We do not hide from the truth. Most of the world does all these things and it only served to dig a massive abyss.

While I agree that no one should ever be ashamed of the truth or hide it from the world, I disagree with your method of spreading the truth. I am not afraid to be "straight up" with the world and live my life according to Christ's teachings, and I am not afraid to share that with others -- but invoking disgust and angst in the hearts of those around you, I believe, is wrong.

I would tell you your fly was down, but I would not shout at you and mock you and curse your existence with hate for your fly being down. This is the impression you are giving to the world.

[James Hutchins]

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While I agree that no one should ever be ashamed of the truth or hide it from the world, I disagree with your method of spreading the truth. I am not afraid to be "straight up" with the world and live my life according to Christ's teachings, and I am not afraid to share that with others -- but invoking disgust and angst in the hearts of those around you, I believe, is wrong.

I would tell you your fly was down, but I would not shout at you and mock you and curse your existence with hate for your fly being down. This is the impression you are giving to the world.

Friend, I assure you we are not as bad as it may appear to you. You have become complacent in the manners of the modern world. You are overly sensitive. A pea under a mattress in China keeps you awake. We need people to wake up, realize a pea is not important but salvation is. Sometimes, you have to yell a little.

[Tar Heel Sk8tr]

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Friend, I assure you we are not as bad as it may appear to you. You have become complacent in the manners of the modern world. You are overly sensitive. A pea under a mattress in China keeps you awake. We need people to wake up, realize a pea is not important but salvation is. Sometimes, you have to yell a little.

I agree, sometimes you have to yell a little. There are times when I wish it were possible to shout to the world Jesus's name, there are billions who have never even heard it.

Do you not see what I am disagreeing with? You are using the world's own words to mock them. Hateful speech will be received as hateful. I have no doubt that your intentions are good and that your hearts are often in the right place, but nobody is seeing it because you're calling them 'trash' and pushing them as far away from you as possible.

[James Hutchins]

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You are using the world's own words to mock them. Hateful speech will be received as hateful. I have no doubt that your intentions are good and that your hearts are often in the right place, but nobody is seeing it because you're calling them 'trash' and pushing them as far away from you as possible.

I think you have issues other than with God. I never used any hateful speech. I did not mock you, I called no one trash yet you are persecutting me. Why? What did I do to deserve this punishment.?

[Brother Lazarus]

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--- Luke 6:37 -> "Do not judge, and you will not be judged; do not condemn and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven; Give, and it will be given to you..."
out?

This is a perfect example of misuse of scripture. You didn't quote the entire thought.

Why not Luke 6:37 though 42

37Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
38Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
39And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?
40The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
41And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
42Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.

Or Matthew 7 verses 1 though 5:

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

What is clear in both passages is to not judge in hypocrisy. It doesn't say simply to not judge. Judgment is perfectly acceptable, even needed, when not done in hypocrisy.

It's evident that you may be a soft or false Christian. You only want to preach the soft warm cuddly parts of the Bible so that people feel good. Well there's not much in the Bible that is soft and cuddly. Even the cuddly parts aren't so soft when taken in full context.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Tar Heel Sk8tr]

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Your church, the Landover Baptist Church, is filled with people who are constantly using words like:

"hateful feminazi harlot"
"unsaved trash"
"kweers"
"infidel"
"unsaved scum"
"wack job"
"trolls"

Supposedly for the purpose of spreading Christ's gospel.

Do you believe that I am unsaved trash? What does it mean to be a "True Christian"?

[Myron Pollard]

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Your church, the Landover Baptist Church, is filled with people who are constantly using words like:

"hateful feminazi harlot"
"unsaved trash"
"kweers"
"infidel"
"unsaved scum"
"wack job"
"trolls"

Supposedly for the purpose of spreading Christ's gospel.

Do you believe that I am unsaved trash? What does it mean to be a "True Christian"?

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.