[Pastor Ezekiel]

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You have your views. I have mine. I believe all religions are false. (Of course, in the Buddhist religion, there is no god.) I believe that there is no god/are no gods. I'm not agnostic, deist, and I'm certainly not theist. I'm atheist. Accept that.

Oh I accept you for what you are. But don't come around here whining about not getting any respect. You can tell us that you worship a bucket of rotten cabbage for all I care. If you don't have Jesus in your life, then you are nothing but a fool, and you can expect to be treated as such until the day you either accept Jesus and repent, or Jesus sends you down to eternal hellfire.

Psalm 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

[Born-Again Atheist]

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I understand that you believe your bible was written THROUGH god. My only business was putting across that god didn't actually WRITE the bible- as implied.

Here are some Articles from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights for you to feast your eyes upon:

Article 18.
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

As for a tutorial on Religious Tolerance, I believe a mini-version's apparent.
"Religious Tolerance", for individuals, doesn't mean that they have to accept everyone elses views as correct, rather that this is what they believe and should be respected. It's simple.

[SalvationSeeker]

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I understand that you believe your bible was written THROUGH god. My only business was putting across that god didn't actually WRITE the bible- as implied.

God wrote the Holy KJV1611 Bible as you write your hate speech: Using tools.
You use a computer for it, or maybe pen and paper, God Allmighty used human scribes.
They didn't write their own words, nor did they paraphrase, The Holy Spirit worked their hands and He wrote it all down Himself, through the mortal scribes of King James.
Thus, the Holy KJV1611 Bible is the literal and infallible word of God Himself.

[Born-Again Atheist]

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Too bad the first scrolls weren't in English, had gone through many (unreliable) translations prior and were written HUNDREDS of years before the reign of King James. The bible has gone through thousands of seives, and as I like to say, a lot of spice has been added.

[SalvationSeeker]

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Too bad the first scrolls weren't in English, had gone through many (unreliable) translations prior and were written HUNDREDS of years before the reign of King James. The bible has gone through thousands of seives, and as I like to say, a lot of spice has been added.

I've never claimed there weren't versions before the KJV1611..
What I'm saying is that God corrected all the errors they had collected over time, and once again wrote the perfect Word, undefiled by man:
The KJV1611.

[Brother John]

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I understand that you believe your bible was written THROUGH god. My only business was putting across that god didn't actually WRITE the bible- as implied.

Here are some Articles from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights for you to feast your eyes upon:

Article 18.
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

As for a tutorial on Religious Tolerance, I believe a mini-version's apparent.
"Religious Tolerance", for individuals, doesn't mean that they have to accept everyone elses views as correct, rather that this is what they believe and should be respected. It's simple.

Well mentally less gifted friend, show us where we disrespect these rules?
You have the right to think we're wrong, we have the right to know you're wrong.
You have the right to say so within the boundaries of the forum, we have the right to smite you.

And er, we don't view other religion's viewpoints as correct, far from it. As Pastor Ezekiel so aptly put it, if you refuse our attempts to Save(tm) you, I couldn't care less if you burn. Go ahead and believe something else than the KJV1611, go right ahead then.

[SUV]

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Here are some Articles from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights for you to feast your eyes upon:

Article 18.
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Cheese and Crackers, that is quite a salvo from the Lunatic Fringe!!!

Why don't you do some writing of your own, Missy? Like write 100 times, "I will not do my 'Kegel' exercises while visiting Landover Baptist Church, which only happens to be God's Favorite Forum!"

Then the PayPal button. Hard. Until you hear the Heavenly Chimes.

Other than this, I see no other way to even begin to cleansing your misguided athian Soul

[Brother Temperance]

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You know what really ticks me off in life? Everyone's trying so hard for each religion to be accepted- christianity in particular. But where's the respect for atheism? It sickens me. As long as christians get their own way, they can belittle every other religion of the world. Even christian denominations! heck, why don't people spend more time getting christians to accept Sikhism, Islam, Judaism? How about Atheism?

Friend, Darwinism is taught in schools as if it were scientific fact. Have you seen the amount of buildings with no religious symbols on them whatsoever? That space on the walls of courtrooms and classrooms where the Ten Commandments aren't? All those things are testament to the pernicious influence of atheism in public life, and that is why the Godly Republicans are fighting to eliminate them one step at a time.

Anywho, a bit more about me. I really wanna play the skin flute now, thanks for the inspiration there. Just realised I forgot to mention I can also play clarinet (I always forget one! lol). I love anime... Final Fantasy, Naruto, Pokemon, but Studio Ghibli in particular. "Howl's Moving Castle" is my second favourite movie of all time. First being the recent "300"... awesome.


Actually, talking about movies, I bet you all would like Borat the Movie. Although it is only a mockumentory, I bet you'd like the anti-Semitism involved.

Do you change your favourite movie every week? Not that it's really relevant, I suppose, I just wondering. And the important syllable in that last sentence is "mock" - Borat was created to mock America, which is almost as vile and unacceptable as mocking Jesus.

I understand that you believe your bible was written THROUGH god. My only business was putting across that god didn't actually WRITE the bible- as implied.

You're a bit backwards, aren't you? If humans were the intermediary between God and the Bible, then it was written BY God, THROUGH humans. The only way it could be written THROUGH God, as you suggest, would be if humans came up with it and then dictated it for God to write down.

Here are some Articles from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights for you to feast your eyes upon:

Article 18.
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

There you go. We have the right to manifest our religion in public and in practice. If the practice of our religion includes killing witches, then you have no reason to protest, as we are just excercising our UN-protected human right to practice our religion. PRAISE!

As for a tutorial on Religious Tolerance, I believe a mini-version's apparent.
"Religious Tolerance", for individuals, doesn't mean that they have to accept everyone elses views as correct, rather that this is what they believe and should be respected. It's simple.

So your idea of respect is barging into a Church website and telling everyone they're wrong? Here's an idea - why not go to Iran or rural Afghanistan and "respecting" Islam there?

[Born-Again Atheist]

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OMW, just incase you think you're clever to find any loop holes, here's the whole declaration, c+p from a beloved word doc- I wouldn't like to go paraphrasing anything official...

Article 1.
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

Article 2.
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

Article 3.
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Article 4.
No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

Article 5.
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Article 6.
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

Article 7.
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

Article 8.
Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.

Article 9.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

Article 10.
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

Article 11.
(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.
(2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.

Article 12.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

Article 13.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

Article 14.
(1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
(2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 15.
(1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

Article 16.
(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
(3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

Article 17.
(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.


Article 18.
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Article 20.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
(2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.

Article 21.
(1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
(2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.
(3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.

Article 22.
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

Article 23.
(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

Article 24.
Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.

Article 25.
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

Article 26.
(1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
(2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
(3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

Article 27.
(1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
(2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

Article 28.
Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

Article 29.
(1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
(2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
(3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 30.
Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

Anyways. How about learning a little something about my school in Northern Ireland? Darwinism isn't taught here. There is a compulsory subject (but it IS possible to drop it at GCSE standard, only via a letter from your parents though) called "Religious Studies", but I prefare to call it "christian Studies" as only christianity is taught. I'm all for religion being taught in schools, but only if it teaches several main religions. FYI I do take this subject. On Friday lunchtimes there is junior scripture union. On Monday lunchtimes there is christian union. There are christian pictures all around the school. From Adam and Eve in Eden to jesus on the cross. The headmaster prays at assemblies. The school song is christian. Anyone who reaaalllly wants to see the lyrics can just ask me.

[Brother Temperance]

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OMW, just incase you think you're clever to find any loop holes, here's the whole declaration, c+p from a beloved word doc- I wouldn't like to go paraphrasing anything official...

In other words, your beloved Declaration is completely inconsistent and contradicts itself so much as to be worthless. That's why it's the work of the UN, and not God Almighty.

Anyways. How about learning a little something about my school in Northern Ireland? Darwinism isn't taught here. There is a compulsory subject (but it IS possible to drop it at GCSE standard, only via a letter from your parents though) called "Religious Studies", but I prefare to call it "christian Studies" as only christianity is taught. I'm all for religion being taught in schools, but only if it teaches several main religions. FYI I do take this subject. On Friday lunchtimes there is junior scripture union. On Monday lunchtimes there is christian union. There are christian pictures all around the school. From Adam and Eve in Eden to jesus on the cross. The headmaster prays at assemblies. The school song is christian. Anyone who reaaalllly wants to see the lyrics can just ask me.

Yes, but there are plenty of schools that aren't like this, and that is what we Christians are fighting to eliminate. Also, all those idols covering your school sound more pagan than Christian to me, and is it really the case that there is no mention of evolutionary biology at all?

[Born-Again Atheist]

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My school is "pagan"? Pah. Might as well type up the school song's lyrics to stress my point...

"O Dalriadan Land!
Beneath your rain-washed azure skies,
Against whose northern strand
The great Atlantic roller rave;
From where your great cliffs rise
Above the grey tumultuous wave
We picture Fergus stand
With far Agyle and Isla purple 'neath his eyes.

"The hero's praises sing we who upon these shores now dwell
Whence he adventuring sailed boldly to the purple north;
The Pictish heathen fell
Not fearing who so gaily forth
Bore earth's most precious thing,
Unknowing that he shared
Christ's conquest over hell.

"O Dalriadan Land!
Once to the North Christ's beacon light
Raised in Columba's hand
Amid the pagan dark to blaze
And triumph o'er the night;
As we your ancient glories praise,
Proud of your native strand,
We will uplift your splendid name
in all men's sight."

...If that's pagan, I'm christian.

[Brother Temperance]

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My school is "pagan"? Pah. Might as well type up the school song's lyrics to stress my point...

"O Dalriadan Land!
Beneath your rain-washed azure skies,
Against whose northern strand
The great Atlantic roller rave;
From where your great cliffs rise
Above the grey tumultuous wave
We picture Fergus stand
With far Agyle and Isla purple 'neath his eyes.

"The hero's praises sing we who upon these shores now dwell
Whence he adventuring sailed boldly to the purple north;
The Pictish heathen fell
Not fearing who so gaily forth
Bore earth's most precious thing,
Unknowing that he shared
Christ's conquest over hell.

"O Dalriadan Land!
Once to the North Christ's beacon light
Raised in Columba's hand
Amid the pagan dark to blaze
And triumph o'er the night;
As we your ancient glories praise,
Proud of your native strand,
We will uplift your splendid name
in all men's sight."

...If that's pagan, I'm christian.

I wasn't claiming your school song was pagan, I was claiming that the pagan practise of worshipping idols was pagan. I notice you seem to be ducking the question about evilutionary biology, though.

[SinisterPizza]

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Shannon... meaning "wise one"

Cool. I didn't know Shannon meant "wise one" That's my middle name, that's pretty cool. My first name is too unheard of and original to say online though.

I'd love to go to the UK sometime, especially since I've got ancestry from all 4 of the countries in the UK. And that they film Potter in the UK

A question to the True Christians out there...just what IS the DOF? I've heard you talk about it before.

[Born-Again Atheist]

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No no no, there's no worshipping of pictures, statues, idols... nothing like that!

My sincere apologies. Darwinism isn't taught at my school. Some biology teachers may say "evolution", but the majority avoid the topic as 1) it's not on the course and 2) it's controversial [especially in such a pious school].

[Brother Temperance]

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No no no, there's no worshipping of pictures, statues, idols... nothing like that!

Anyways. How about learning a little something about my school in Northern Ireland? There are christian pictures all around the school. From Adam and Eve in Eden to jesus on the cross.

Sounds a lot like idol-worship to me.