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Re: Hey guys really quick

And again all you do is insult

I think you got us mixed up with the OP...

stupid

immoral

piffles

ignorant

pigs

faggots

You better step on that bus girl.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hey guys really quick

You're all wrong:

The Messiah is preceded by Elijah the prophet who, with the Messiah, unifies the family (Malachi 4:5-6), which is contradicted by Jesus in Matthew 10:34-37.
The Messiah re-establishes the Davidic dynasty through the messiah's own children (Daniel 7:13-14). But Jesus had no children.
The Messiah brings an eternal peace between all nations, between all peoples, and between all people (Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-4; Ezekiel 39:9). Obviously there is no peace. Furthermore, Jesus said that his purpose in coming was to bring a sword, and not peace (see Matthew 10:34, as referenced above.)
The Messiah brings about the universal world-wide conversion of all peoples to Judaism, or at least to Ethical Monotheism (Jeremiah 31:31-34; Zechariah 8:23; Isaiah 11:9; Zechariah 14:9,16). But the world remains steeped in idolatry.
The Messiah brings about an end to all forms of idolatry (Zechariah 13:2). But the world remains steeped in idolatry.
The Messiah brings about a universal recognition that the Jewish idea of God is God (Isaiah 11:9). But the world remains steeped in idolatry.
The Messiah leads the world to become vegetarian (Isaiah 11:6-9). It isn't.
The Messiah gathers to Israel, all of the twelve tribes (Ezekiel 36:24). Many of the ten lost tribes remain lost.
The Messiah rebuilds The Temple (Isaiah 2:2; Ezekiel 37:26-28). It hasn't been rebuilt.
There will be no more famine (Ezekiel 36:29-30). People starve to death every day.
After the Messiah comes, death will eventually cease (Isaiah 25:8). People die every day.
Eventually the dead will be resurrected (Isaiah 26:19; Daniel 12:2; Ezekiel 37:12-13; Isaiah 43:5-6);
The nations of the earth will help the Jews, materially (Isaiah 60:5-6; 60:10-12;
The Jews will be sought out for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23);
All weapons will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9,12);
The Nile will run dry (Isaiah 11:15)
Monthly, the trees of Israel will yield their fruit (Ezekiel 47:12);
Each tribe of Israel will receive and settle their inherited land (Ezekiel 47:13-13);
The nations of the earth will recognize that they have been wrong, that the Jews have been right, and that the sins of the Gentile nations, their persecutions and the murders they committed, have been borne by the Jewish people (Isaiah 53)

"Wow," I thought. This Jew went to great lengths to amass this list of Scripture. Surely, she studies the Bible extensively.

ALL THESE WILL BE FULFILLED WHEN THE MESSIAH COMES! YET JESUS!!! Hasn't fulfilled them.

So you stupid evangalist immoral piffles listen up. At this point in time Jesus isn't the messiah you piffleing ignorant pigs. You may ban me, but let this be known YOU ARE ALL WRONG, WHEN THE MESSIAH COMES YOU WILL KNOW! YOU piffleING SCURGE OF THE EARTH YOU WILL KNOW!

I also like how you al inventd the idea of the second coming, good try faggots

"Wow," I thought. "What contrast between this vile rant and the earlier parts of the post! This Jew is a foul-mouthed moron who can't write an intelligent sentence. She probably didn't even graduate high school. I bet that Wall of Text was just some 'copypasta' . . . maybe from HERE! Isn't that plagiarism, which is theft, and a sin against God? Surely, this Jew hates God, since she breaks His commandments."

That's an interesting argument that you are the "Chosen". It seems your tribes were laid to waste and enslaved more by the decedents of Ham more often than they weren't.

I suppose it will be different this time, though.

Your friend in the love of Christ,
Sam

I think they are "chosen" for God to abuse!

And again all you do is insult and sound dumb yet make no valid points you. All don't live in the image of Jesus you are the opposite of him

Wait, WE "insult and sound dumb"?

[Mary Sue Garfield]

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And again all you do is insult and sound dumb yet make no valid points you. All don't live in the image of Jesus you are the opposite of him

I believe Still Undead has answered you quite well.
I will pray for you.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

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"The Messiah is preceded by Elijah the prophet who, with the Messiah, unifies the family (Malachi 4:5-6), which is contradicted by Jesus in Matthew 10:34-37." - A gross misunderstanding. The strife in Matthew 10:34-37 clearly points to faith-induced destruction of the family, because of "He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me." How can you expect anyone to continue being united with family members who are so full of (word deleted by the Spirit) that they go against the very first commandment to love the Lord, above all?

That doesn't answer the question. The Messiah is supposed to unite families, there is no conditions placed on that.

"The Messiah re-establishes the Davidic dynasty through the messiah's own children (Daniel 7:13-14). But Jesus had no children." - It truly saddens me to have to point out the obvious, but the heavenly children are all around you in this forum.

That doesn't answer the question. The Messiah is supposed to restart the kingly line, and Jesus doesn't.

"The Messiah brings an eternal peace between all nations, between all peoples, and between all people (Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-4; Ezekiel 39:9). Obviously there is no peace. Furthermore, Jesus said that his purpose in coming was to bring a sword, and not peace (see Matthew 10:34, as referenced above.)" - No peace where? In the LBC (which has been guaranteeing salvation since 1620), peace reigns. If you are without peace, does a humble wretch as I am really need to point out why? If there is no peace in Israel and the Middle East, need I point out why? (But maybe I should, since you seem to be without logic?)

So, Jesus failed to establish peace in ALL NATIONS, as the Bible says the Messiah should.

"The Messiah brings about the universal world-wide conversion of all peoples to Judaism, or at least to Ethical Monotheism (Jeremiah 31:31-34; Zechariah 8:23; Isaiah 11:9; Zechariah 14:9,16). But the world remains steeped in idolatry." - Verily, I say, heed the answer! "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." (1 Timothy 6:1). Verily, even as joos fatten their purses, their hearts atrophy and die without faith, true faith. The love of money is idolatry, amen! Who loves money the most?

This does not answer the question, why didn't Jesus bring the entire world to believe in God?

"The Messiah brings about an end to all forms of idolatry (Zechariah 13:2). But the world remains steeped in idolatry." - You attack yourself and your kind. Give up ye inordinate love of money, ye that worship the coin. Gloat not, for the time for a smiting is come hither.

This does not answer the question.

"The Messiah brings about a universal recognition that the Jewish idea of God is God (Isaiah 11:9). But the world remains steeped in idolatry." - Blow thy polluted trumpet in the ears of joos who amass the coin to the extent that it has become their god. And ye state that the world remains in idolatry! Unbelievable how you want to scold us believers, yet flagellate yourself at the same time! As late as 11 years ago, "As 2.5% of the American population... 23% of the full list of 400 people on the Forbes "Rich List" are Jewish, as are 36% of the top 50."
http://jewishtribalreview.org/forbes.htm How blind art thou not to see the truth, even as it gapes at thee verily like the jaws of hell? "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" (Matthew 7:3)

Hey, here's a thought - why don't you answer the question???

"The Messiah leads the world to become vegetarian (Isaiah 11:6-9). It isn't." - Pshaw on that. Deuteronomy 12:20-22 lays waste to your barren claim and understanding of Isaiah 11:6-9. Steak is good, and hamburgers too! And as an aside, hmm... I had been under the impression that you are a joo. Perhaps not, for as you lobby for a vegetarian world, mayhap you are a hindoo?

God allows meat eating temporarily in this world, but that was not how it was in the beginning. I believe the law of Moses also allows for divorce, though that was not how it was in the beginning.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

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http://judaism.about.com/library/3_askrabbi_o/bl_simmons_messiah3.htm

1) JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES

What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:
A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world -- on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.
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2) JESUS DID NOT EMBODY THE PERSONAL QUALIFICATIONS OF MESSIAH

A. MESSIAH AS PROPHET

Jesus was not a prophet. Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry. During the time of Ezra (circa 300 BCE), when the majority of Jews refused to move from Babylon to Israel, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets -- Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.
Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended.

B. DESCENDENT OF DAVID

The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father -- and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David!

C. TORAH OBSERVANCE

The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)
Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. (see John 1:45 and 9:16, Acts 3:22 and 7:37)
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3) MISTRANSLATED VERSES "REFERRING" TO JESUS

Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text -- which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation.

A. VIRGIN BIRTH

The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

B. CRUCIFIXION

The verse in Psalms 22:17 reads: "Like a lion, they are at my hands and feet." The Hebrew word ki-ari (like a lion) is grammatically similar to the word "gouged." Thus Christianity reads the verse as a reference to crucifixion: "They pierced my hands and feet."

C. SUFFERING SERVANT

Christianity claims that Isaiah chapter 53 refers to Jesus, as the "suffering servant."
In actuality, Isaiah 53 directly follows the theme of chapter 52, describing the exile and redemption of the Jewish people. The prophecies are written in the singular form because the Jews ("Israel") are regarded as one unit. The Torah is filled with examples of the Jewish nation referred to with a singular pronoun.
Ironically, Isaiah's prophecies of persecution refer in part to the 11th century when Jews were tortured and killed by Crusaders who acted in the name of Jesus.
From where did these mistranslations stem? St. Gregory, 4th century Bishop of Nanianzus, wrote: "A little jargon is all that is necessary to impose on the people. The less they comprehend, the more they admire."

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4) JEWISH BELIEF IS BASED SOLELY ON NATIONAL REVELATION

Of the 15,000 religions in human history, only Judaism bases its belief on national revelation -- i.e. God speaking to the entire nation. If God is going to start a religion, it makes sense He'll tell everyone, not just one person.
Judaism, unique among all of the world's major religions, does not rely on "claims of miracles" as the basis for its religion. In fact, the Bible says that God sometimes grants the power of "miracles" to charlatans, in order to test Jewish loyalty to the Torah (Deut. 13:4).
Maimonides states (Foundations of Torah, ch. 8):
The Jews did not believe in Moses, our teacher, because of the miracles he performed. Whenever anyone's belief is based on seeing miracles, he has lingering doubts, because it is possible the miracles were performed through magic or sorcery. All of the miracles performed by Moses in the desert were because they were necessary, and not as proof of his prophecy.
What then was the basis of [Jewish] belief? The Revelation at Mount Sinai, which we saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears, not dependent on the testimony of others... as it says, "Face to face, God spoke with you..." The Torah also states: "God did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us -- who are all here alive today." (Deut. 5:3)
Judaism is not miracles. It is the personal eyewitness experience of every man, woman and child, standing at Mount Sinai 3,300 years ago.
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5) CHRISTIANITY CONTRADICTS JEWISH THEOLOGY

The following theological points apply primarily to the Roman Catholic Church, the largest Christian denomination, and the one most familiar to the Western world.

A. GOD AS THREE?

The Catholic idea of Trinity breaks God into three separate beings: The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost (Matthew 28:19).
Contrast this to the Shema, the basis of Jewish belief: "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is ONE" (Deut. 6:4). Jews declare the Shema every day, while writing it on doorposts (Mezuzah), and binding it to the hand and head (Tefillin). This statement of God's One-ness is the first words a Jewish child is taught to say, and the last words uttered before a Jew dies.
In Jewish law, worship of a three-part god is considered idolatry -- one of the three cardinal sins that a Jew should rather give up his life than transgress. This explains why during the Inquisitions and throughout history, Jews gave up their lives rather than convert.

B. MAN AS GOD?

Christians believe that God came down to earth in human form, as Jesus said: "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).
Maimonides devotes most of the "Guide for the Perplexed" to the fundamental idea that God is incorporeal, meaning that He assumes no physical form. God is Eternal, above time. He is Infinite, beyond space. He cannot be born, and cannot die. Saying that God assumes human form makes God small, diminishing both His unity and His divinity. As the Torah says: "God is not a mortal" (Numbers 23:19).
Judaism says that the Messiah will be born of human parents, and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, and will not possess supernatural qualities. In fact, an individual is alive in every generation with the capacity to step into the role of the Messiah. (see Maimonides - Laws of Kings 11:3)

C. INTERMEDIARY FOR PRAYER?

The Catholic belief is that prayer must be directed through an intermediary -- i.e. confessing one's sins to a priest. Jesus himself is an intermediary, as Jesus said: "No man cometh unto the Father but by me."
In Judaism, prayer is a totally private matter, between each individual and God. As the Bible says: "God is near to all who call unto Him" (Psalms 145:18). Further, the Ten Commandments state: "You shall have no other gods BEFORE ME," meaning that it is forbidden to set up a mediator between God and man. (see Maimonides - Laws of Idolatry ch. 1)

D. INVOLVEMENT IN THE PHYSICAL WORLD

Catholic doctrine often treats the physical world as an evil to be avoided. Mary, the holiest woman, is portrayed as a virgin. Priests and nuns are celibate. And monasteries are in remote, secluded locations.
By contrast, Judaism believes that God created the physical world not to frustrate us, but for our pleasure. Jewish spirituality comes through grappling with the mundane world in a way that uplifts and elevates. Sex in the proper context is one of the holiest acts we can perform.
The Talmud says if a person has the opportunity to taste a new fruit and refuses to do so, he will have to account for that in the World to Come. Jewish rabbinical schools teach how to live amidst the bustle of commercial activity. Jews don't retreat from life, we elevate it.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hey guys really quick

You will never marry a good Christian man like Heathen Basher if you keep pretending Jesus isn't God. He might think you mean it!

Please, save the practical jokes for Atheist Day April Fool's Day.

[Shortbus1]

Re: Hey guys really quick

"Wow," I thought. This Jew went to great lengths to amass this list of Scripture. Surely, she studies the Bible extensively.


"Wow," I thought. "What contrast between this vile rant and the earlier parts of the post! This Jew is a foul-mouthed moron who can't write an intelligent sentence. She probably didn't even graduate high school. I bet that Wall of Text was just some 'copypasta' . . . maybe from HERE! Isn't that plagiarism, which is theft, and a sin against God? Surely, this Jew hates God, since she breaks His commandments."


I think they are "chosen" for God to abuse!

Wait, WE "insult and sound dumb"?

I never stated that I amassed nor did I ever say I didn't copy it. The owner of the website is my Rabbi and my teacher I spread his word because others are too afraid to do it.

[Samuel Coleridge]

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I never stated that I amassed nor did I ever say I didn't copy it. The owner of the website is my Rabbi and my teacher I spread his word because others are too afraid to do it.

So you're just another fundamentalist zealot come to Landover. That's something you don't see every day.

A dumbass redneck Texan to boot.

I would welcome you, but you have the stink of yet another Landovarian on you.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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I never stated that I amassed nor did I ever say I didn't copy it. The owner of the website is my Rabbi and my teacher I spread his word because others are too afraid to do it.

Copying something without giving a reference to the source leads others to believe the words are yours.

That's called plagiarism, and it is stealing.

Stealing is a sin.

Why do you hate God? Or do you think it'll be OK as long as you go to temple and sacrifice two doves and say six Hava Nagilas?

[Shortbus1]

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Copying something without giving a reference to the source leads others to believe the words are yours.

That's called plagiarism, and it is stealing.

Stealing is a sin.

Why do you hate God? Or do you think it'll be OK as long as you go to temple and sacrifice two doves and say six Hava Nagilas?

I find it comical that you, a grown man would argue with just a teenager and yet sound so stupid, in fact stupid isn't even a strong enough work to describe you. You're down right prejudice this forum should be take down as an act of HATE CRIME. The fact of the matter is, I don't hate god as you say sir, GOD HATES YOU! All of you, the fact of the matter is you forsake his word, you imply Jesus can even comprehend the word of god.

Besides the fact that you're wrong, you are th reason people hate America because you know NOTHING! Kill doves? Say prayers? No, I should be praying for you, because when the real Messiah comes, and he's not Jesus, I pray he has mercy on you.

[Levi Jones]

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I find it comical that you, a grown man would argue with just a teenager and yet sound so stupid, in fact stupid isn't even a strong enough work to describe you. You're down right prejudice

this forum should be take down as an act of HATE CRIME. The fact of the matter is, I don't hate god as you say sir,

GOD HATES YOU! All of you, the fact of the matter is you forsake his word, you imply Jesus can even comprehend the word of god.

Besides the fact that you're wrong, you are th reason people hate America because you know NOTHING! Kill doves? Say prayers? No, I should be praying for you, because when the real Messiah comes, and he's not Jesus, I pray he has mercy on you.

It's simply amazing you can say those words together.

Who is God talking about in Isaiah 9?

Isaiah 9:17
Therefore the Lord shall have no joy in their young men, neither shall have mercy on their fatherless and widows: for every one is an hypocrite and an evildoer, and every mouth speaketh folly. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.

[Shortbus1]

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I'm not sure if you are trying to bestow the rediculous notion of that being Jesus, or if you are trying to make a valid argument at all.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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I find it comical that you, a grown man would argue with just a teenager and yet sound so stupid, in fact stupid isn't even a strong enough work to describe you.

What is "stupid" about explaining that you sin by stealing? Clearly, you're woefully ignorant of God's Law.

You're down right prejudice this forum should be take down as an act of HATE CRIME. The fact of the matter is, I don't hate god as you say sir, GOD HATES YOU! All of you, the fact of the matter is you forsake his word, you imply Jesus can even comprehend the word of god.

How have I acted in a "prejudiced" manner?

Besides the fact that you're wrong, you are th reason people hate America because you know NOTHING!

Wrong about what? The fact that you are a thief?

Kill doves? Say prayers? No, I should be praying for you, because when the real Messiah comes, and he's not Jesus, I pray he has mercy on you.

I see you're not a Jew. You have failed the Jew Test concealed in my last post.

So, you're a thief, AND you're a liar.

Why do you hate God?

[Shortbus1]

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If it is at the point that you deny the fact that I am a jew I can no longer speak with you, at this point I feel as if I am speaking to a 4 year old in a grown mans body and I can't deal with your mental retardation any longer can somone with some sort of a mind speak to me?

[Levi Jones]

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I'm not sure if you are trying to bestow the rediculous notion of that being Jesus, or if you are trying to make a valid argument at all.

God is saying this is what happened/will happen for those that don't believe in the Messiah, no?

Has it happened repeatedly since the Jews rejected Jesus?