Hello from Joe

[Joe the Atheist]

I have a few fundamentalist Christians in my life, and I just don't understand their mindset. I don't mean any offense. I'm just here trying to understand.

I can't, for the life of me, understand how otherwise intelligent people could mistake the collected myths, folklore, and legends of some bronze-age nomadic tribe for a literal historical account that trumps anything and everything that modern science has to offer.

Sure, the Bible is an interesting piece of literature, and it gives us an amazing insight into the hopes, fears, and superstitions of an ancient people, but I can't understand how a modern person could read it and think it is the words of some supernatural super-being.

--Joe

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

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I have a few fundamentalist Christians in my life, and I just don't understand their mindset. I don't mean any offense. I'm just here trying to understand.

Welcome, Joe Praise Jesus that you have arrived at one of the first stepping stones along the path to Salvation(r)! This is certainly the place to get to know our (and Jesus') mindset! I'm not entirely sure where the confusion is -- we follow Jesus' every Word(tm) as given in the 1611 King James Bible.

I can't, for the life of me, understand how otherwise intelligent people could mistake the collected myths, folklore, and legends of some bronze-age nomadic tribe for a literal historical account that trumps anything and everything that modern science has to offer.

Joe, this is not a good way to get started, with insults. As a personal holder of three (3) degrees, I do not appreciate your insinuating that I am stupid. The Bible has been proven True(tm) over and over again ever since it was written. There is not one word in there that is false. And yet your "science" books are being re-written and edited every year or so. I ask you, which is more reliable?

Sure, the Bible is an interesting piece of literature, and it gives us an amazing insight into the hopes, fears, and superstitions of an ancient people, but I can't understand how a modern person could read it and think it is the words of some supernatural super-being.

--Joe

How could it not be? It is the Word of God(tm)! It is the Word of the One who created this earth and everyone in it (even you!). The Bible tells us the History(tm) of all that is, and how it came to be. Who could write a Book on the earth and its creation? Only the One who created it! I suggest you start using just a bit more restraint in your insults, lest you find yourself in moderation. We don't take kindly to mockers here.

Speaking of mocking, how is your tithing record? With tithes comes the peace which passes understanding....

[Sista Lateefah]

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I can't, for the life of me, understand how otherwise intelligent people could mistake the collected myths, folklore, and legends of some bronze-age nomadic tribe for a literal historical account that trumps anything and everything that modern science has to offer.

Is you here fo' the Truth, or is you just here to persecute us like just about every other atheist that come up in here? The Bible do not be myths, legends, or any o' that other ignance you had said. It be God's Word, and every word in it be a fact. If you had even bothered to READ it, you would already know that! I also noticed thatchoo had brought up science as a excuse to spit on God's Word. Typical atheist hatemonger!

Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. - Matthew 22:29

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. - John 5:39

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. - 2 Timothy 3:15-17

You best putcho Christ-denyin' ways behind you and come to Him while you still can. You don't got much time left. We be livin' durin' the birth pangs of GLORY!!

[Joe the Atheist]

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Thanks for your reply.

As a personal holder of three (3) degrees, I do not appreciate your insinuating that I am stupid. The Bible has been proven True™ over and over again ever since it was written. There is not one word in there that is false. And yet your "science" books are being re-written and edited every year or so. I ask you, which is more reliable?

I don't think you are stupid. I am just saying that an intelligent person who believes that all of the stories in the Bible are literally true must have to live with a painful amount of cognitive dissonance.

As far as which is more reliable, let's see. On one hand, you a collection of stories told by an ancient tribe of superstitious nomads, also re-written and edited but unchanged in almost 400 years. On the other hand, you have books which are updated regularly to reflect advances in human knowledge. I'll pick the books that are kept up-to-date over the ones that are becoming more and more obsolete.

How could it not be? It is the Word of God™! It is the Word of the One who created this earth and everyone in it (even you!). The Bible tells us the History™ of all that is, and how it came to be. Who could write a Book on the earth and its creation? Only the One who created it! I suggest you start using just a bit more restraint in your insults, lest you find yourself in moderation. We don't take kindly to mockers here.

But how do you know that the Bible is the Word of God™? There are dozens of religious books that tell a story of the earth and its creation, the history of all that is, and how it came to be. Most of them are interesting, but none is an accurate literal history.

Speaking of mocking, how is your tithing record? With tithes comes the peace which passes understanding....

I donate regularly to charities such as Red Cross, March of Dimes, Toys for Tots, and Doctors Without Borders.

--Joe

[Joe the Atheist]

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It be God's Word, and every word in it be a fact. If you had even bothered to READ it, you would already know that!

I've read every word in the Bible -- yes, the King James Bible. Ecclesiastes was my favorite book.

My favorite verse is Ecclesiastes 9:10, "Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might;for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest."

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. - 2 Timothy 3:15-17

I always love it when Christians use that verse to prove the Bible is true, as if any book is automatically the Word of God simply because it claims to be.

You best putcho Christ-denyin' ways behind you and come to Him while you still can. You don't got much time left. We be livin' durin' the birth pangs of GLORY!!

If, and this is a really big if, but if you fundamentalist Christians are right, then I hope the rapture and tribulation occur during my lifetime. I don't believe in God because I find the whole concept ridiculous. However, if all of the Christians suddenly vanished, and if 1/3 of the stars literally fall from the sky to the ground, then I will have all the evidence I need to turn me into a Christian.

I know that it will be too late to be saved by Grace at that point. However, I would still be able to join the resistance against the beast government and get saved by being martyred.

How's that for a plan of salvation?

--Joe

[Sista Lateefah]

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As far as which is more reliable, let's see. On one hand, you a collection of stories told by an ancient tribe of superstitious nomads, also re-written and edited but unchanged in almost 400 years. On the other hand, you have books which are updated regularly to reflect advances in human knowledge. I'll pick the books that are kept up-to-date over the ones that are becoming more and more obsolete.

So you choose Satan and damnation over the Lord? Why does you hate Him?

But how do you know that the Bible is the Word of God™? There are dozens of religious books that tell a story of the earth and its creation, the history of all that is, and how it came to be. Most of them are interesting, but none is an accurate literal history.

As have already been pointed out, the Bible itself say that it be God's Word. It also tell us dozens of times that other gods is false. Other religions worship demons instead of the One True God! They's gonna be in fo' a nasty surprise on Judgment Day.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. - Ephesians 6:12

Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images. - Exodus 23:24 (See also: Exodus 20:5, Exodus 34:14, Deuteronomy 6:15, Nahum 1:2, Joshua 24:20, and 1 Chronicles 16:26)

I donate regularly to charities such as Red Cross, March of Dimes, Toys for Tots, and Doctors Without Borders.

--Joe

But none of them folk matters. You be donatin' to MEN, not to God. Whatchoo think gonna be mo' important come Judgment Day? Our Lord had chose to keep some very expensive ointment fo' Himself instead o' givin' it to the po' folk. It had been Judas the traitor who made a fuss about the po'.

Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment. Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein. Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this. For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always. - John 12:3-8

[Brother Temperance]

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I donate regularly to charities such as Red Cross, March of Dimes, Toys for Tots, and Doctors Without Borders.

--Joe

So you help Jew abortionists kill babies worldwide? How very charitable.

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

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I've read every word in the Bible -- yes, the King James Bible. Ecclesiastes was my favorite book.

Hmm, your D.O.F. dossier seems to be in disagreement, and I feel that I can trust George W. Bush more than I can trust an atheist like you. Maybe you read a picture-Bible (aka the Catholic rape-manual), but it seems that you have an incomplete under "Bible Reading". Perhaps that is why you are still an atheist.

My favorite verse is Ecclesiastes 9:10, "Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might;for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest."

Praise Jesus, he has actually cracked open a Bible long enough to type out a verse! This is a start, my friend. This verse is one of my favorites, for it actually proves the Bible is the Word of God(tm).

I always love it when Christians use that verse to prove the Bible is true, as if any book is automatically the Word of God simply because it claims to be.

Well since God can't lie, then it must be True(c). You don't believe that He Who created the universe could lie, do you? That is simply absurd

If, and this is a really big if, but if you fundamentalist Christians are right, then I hope the rapture and tribulation occur during my lifetime.

Oh, they will, my friend. I guarantee it! The Lord Jesus is on His way right now, getting ready to gather up His Flock (ie Landoverians) and return them to Heaven, whilst pouring out evil upon the world. Glory!

I don't believe in God because I find the whole concept ridiculous. However, if all of the Christians suddenly vanished, and if 1/3 of the stars literally fall from the sky to the ground, then I will have all the evidence I need to turn me into a Christian.

Well glory be -- this will be happening any moment. Although you should keep a close eye on this board -- once we all disappear, a pack of our Jews will be in charge of it and you'll see it go downhill fast.

I know that it will be too late to be saved by Grace at that point. However, I would still be able to join the resistance against the beast government and get saved by being martyred.

How's that for a plan of salvation?

Pretty poor, really. I don't trust your judgement anymore than I trust the average Mexican or chinese manufacturing. Enjoy Hell, you vile piece of garbage. Your plan will be for naught, since His Plan(r) is the only one that matters

[SUV]

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Hey, Joe! Whaddya know?

Someday JESUS may Forgive me for having said that - can you?!

[Talitha]

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I have a few fundamentalist Christians in my life, and I just don't understand their mindset. I don't mean any offense. I'm just here trying to understand.

I'm sorry Joe, unless you can find the love of Jesus in your life then you will merely remain a Hell bound Atheist
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From what I understand, Atheists are all Retards anyway and that's why they can't understand Christianity.

Oh, welcome to our Forum

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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I always love it when Christians use that verse to prove the Bible is true, as if any book is automatically the Word of God simply because it claims to be.

I am perfectly well aware that lots of books claim to be the Word of God. But if you look at all of the other books that so claim — the Qur'an of the religion of piss, the Book of Mor(m)on of the LSD church, and all the rest — you will see that they are full of nonsense, as we've pointed out in other threads. By a process of elimination, that leaves the Holy Bible as the true Word of God. Praise!

If, and this is a really big if, but if you fundamentalist Christians are right, then I hope the rapture and tribulation occur during my lifetime. I don't believe in God because I find the whole concept ridiculous. However, if all of the Christians suddenly vanished, and if 1/3 of the stars literally fall from the sky to the ground, then I will have all the evidence I need to turn me into a Christian.

But you have enough evidence now:

Romans 1:18-21: For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Since you have willfully ignored the evidence of God in Creation (simply failing to see it isn't an option), it isn't God's fault that you have made the lifestyle choice not to believe in Him.

[Blind leading the blind (On Moderation)]

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Welcome, Joe. You can call me either Blind or Guardian, I don't mind which.
~Guardian of the Blind

[Joe the Atheist]

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Hmm, your D.O.F. dossier seems to be in disagreement, and I feel that I can trust George W. Bush more than I can trust an atheist like you. Maybe you read a picture-Bible (aka the Catholic rape-manual), but it seems that you have an incomplete under "Bible Reading". Perhaps that is why you are still an atheist.

Nope, it was the KJV, and I read every word of it. Didn't Dubya move the D.O.F. under Homeland Security? Maybe that's why their records are so screwed up.

Well since God can't lie, then it must be True©. You don't believe that He Who created the universe could lie, do you? That is simply absurd

I don't mean to be a smarty-britches here, but some of the people who wrote your book seem to think that your God can lie:

2 Chronicles 18:22 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
Ezekiel 14:9 And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.

Your plan will be for naught, since His Plan® is the only one that matters

I thought part of the plan was that the tribulation saints who get martyred for Jesus were saved.

Revelations 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

This is talking about people who didn't get raptured because they weren't Christians at the time. People who don't receive the mark of the beast and get themselves beheaded for going around witnessing for Jesus get saved. If the rapture happens in my lifetime, I'll recognize it, and I'll know what to do.

Similarly, in the equally likely event of Ragnarok, I know to grab an axe and go fight the frost giants marching down from the north. I'll hope to be slain while fighting valiantly, because Valkyries are hot.

I am perfectly well aware that lots of books claim to be the Word of God. But if you look at all of the other books that so claim — the Qur'an of the religion of piss, the Book of Mor(m)on of the LSD church, and all the rest — you will see that they are full of nonsense, as we've pointed out in other threads. By a process of elimination, that leaves the Holy Bible as the true Word of God. Praise!

Unfortunately, I can't tell that the Bible is any less full of nonsense.

Since you have willfully ignored the evidence of God in Creation (simply failing to see it isn't an option), it isn't God's fault that you have made the lifestyle choice not to believe in Him.

Maybe I'm just dumb. I don't think I'm dumb, but then again dumbness isn't easy to recognize in oneself.

--Joe