I try to understand?

[Honest man]

It is extremely difficult for me to understand how members of Landover and countless churches like you, not just in the US but globally, can act with such venom towards others. I know that you are entitled to your opinion but how do you justify your views, your actions and your beliefs when they are mostly in contradiction to what you use as proof? It really is difficult to see how you can knowingly say things that are obviously untrue, inaccurate or purposely deceptive and still purport to be Christians?
You are nothing like Christ, you are really quite unpleasant people. You are bullies, I find no pleasure in saying these things, mostly because it is the truth and that means you are out there being this way.
God never intended such hatred of others as you display, Jesus taught love and tolerance and above all honesty, to yourself, to others and to God. Why have you forsaken those values that you claim to be upholding? Who has told you that your way is the only truth? What has possessed you to be so unkind?
I am looking at the emoticons on the right of this page. There is one that shows bombs being dropped on Muslims. If Jesus was sitting here with me now, would he be laughing at that, or would he have the same feelings as I do? How is it that whilst I am on the internet most of the time, I have only seen that sick little animation on your site? It is not supposed to be this way.
I am truly saddened that you have all shied away from Christ and have constructed a theology of your own that attempts to support your brutish, selfish and ultimately cruel ways. I know that the USA is riddled with crank religions, please include yourselves in with some of the more weird and unsavoury ones.

[Levi Jones]

Re: I try to understand?

Hello. I'm sorry you find the actual Word of God to be unsettling. Tell us more about yourself. What church do you attend?

[LydiaJohnson]

Re: I try to understand?

What is your favorite pie?

Do you have to beat you wife regularly, or is she respectful and obedient?

Why do you hate Jesus?

[Dirk]

Re: I try to understand?

It is extremely difficult for me to understand how members of Landover and countless churches like you, not just in the US but globally, can act with such venom towards others. I know that you are entitled to your opinion but how do you justify your views, your actions and your beliefs when they are mostly in contradiction to what you use as proof? It really is difficult to see how you can knowingly say things that are obviously untrue, inaccurate or purposely deceptive and still purport to be Christians?

Well, our views are true, accurate and non-deceptive since we stricly follow the King James Version 1611 Bible.

You are nothing like Christ, you are really quite unpleasant people. You are bullies, I find no pleasure in saying these things, mostly because it is the truth and that means you are out there being this way.
God never intended such hatred of others as you display, Jesus taught love and tolerance and above all honesty, to yourself, to others and to God. Why have you forsaken those values that you claim to be upholding? Who has told you that your way is the only truth? What has possessed you to be so unkind?

I'm sorry you feel this way, but Jesus was not always polite you see

[uote]I am looking at the emoticons on the right of this page. There is one that shows bombs being dropped on Muslims. If Jesus was sitting here with me now, would he be laughing at that, or would he have the same feelings as I do? How is it that whilst I am on the internet most of the time, I have only seen that sick little animation on your site? It is not supposed to be this way. [/quote]
It is meant as an expression, nothing more. There is no hatred or something behind the emoticons.

I am truly saddened that you have all shied away from Christ and have constructed a theology of your own that attempts to support your brutish, selfish and ultimately cruel ways. I know that the USA is riddled with crank religions, please include yourselves in with some of the more weird and unsavoury ones.

Our way is not weird....

[LydiaJohnson]

Re: I try to understand?

I bet you're just jealous because you know you're going to hell. Envy is a sin.

[Honest man]

Re: I try to understand?

Levi Jones.
I am puzzled why you assume that I find the actual Word of God to be unsettling, I have not displayed that in my post. You have asked that question in order to make it appear to anyone reading what I have said, that it is how they should view my comments. It is nothing but a device to discredit my opinion. You possibly have learned this technique as a substitute for any substantial reasoning missing from your argument.

Lydia Johnson.
I can't work out whether you are fish or foul?

Dirk.
True Christian?

Well, our views are true, accurate and non-deceptive since we stricly follow the King James Version 1611 Bible.

No, your quotes are true, as true as the interpretation of the church of England for who the translation was inscribed. You then further interpret and use, any quotation without context, linking it with other out of context passages and construct a meaning that is wholly to your liking. You know that you do this, I don't blame you for doing it, I am obviously attempting to put my side of the argument in as good a light as possible, the difference is, I am honest enough to admit it. You on the other hand are trying to convince me that this is what the original medieval monks were saying was the word of the Lord when they wrote the Bible. We both know that what you write is all to support the notions and ideals that you and your church hold, unpleasant and wicked as they are.

It is meant as an expression, nothing more. There is no hatred or something behind the emoticons.

Wow, you really are from America aren't you? If it is an expression then it must be expressing something, by the look of it, it is expressing the necessity of killing Muslims with even more violent methods than they employ, is this what Jesus taught?

Our way is not weird....

I find no evidence of that, having spent my entire life being nice to people, that I found extremely easy to do, at no point did I preach hatred of others or refer to someone I had never met as "Unsaved trash". Did Jesus do that as he met the disciples one by one? I think not.

I just checked out your "medals"? Ex masturbator, easy to say. Then the Klan hood, is that Gods way? Heaven bound, you will have to be forgiven for your cruel thoughts first, ones that I really don't have strangely enough.

[LydiaJohnson]

Re: I try to understand?

I can't work out whether you are fish or foul?

Neither, I'm human.

[Levi Jones]

Re: I try to understand?

Levi Jones.
I am puzzled why you assume that I find the actual Word of God to be unsettling, I have not displayed that in my post. You have asked that question in order to make it appear to anyone reading what I have said, that it is how they should view my comments. It is nothing but a device to discredit my opinion. You possibly have learned this technique as a substitute for any substantial reasoning missing from your argument.

You come here telling us we are doing Christianity all wrong, but can offer no scripture to back up your opinion, yet I am the one who has nothing substantive to offer?

[LydiaJohnson]

Re: I try to understand?

Well said, Mr Jones. Put that hellbound scumbag in his place.

[Honest man]

Re: I try to understand?

You come here telling us we are doing Christianity all wrong, but can offer no scripture to back up your opinion, yet I am the one who has nothing substantive to offer?

No, you are telling everyone outside of your church, that they are doing Christianity wrong. I am telling you that you are being extremely unpleasant.
I find it hard to see you as Christians, you are just people with a Bible. All your paranoia is channeled through scripture passages that you can attribute your cruel ways to. Do you really think that every one out there is evil? With the exception of Ms Johnson who is obviously feeble minded(I am sure you will have to ditch her eventually), you all talk about quoting scripture, as though memorising it proves you are a Christian, a Buddhist could memorise it and quote it, a Shintoist could, a liar could, It would sound and read the same, It proves nothing, stop thinking it does. I know my scripture, I would not use it in a battle of wits with you, it would degrade it.

BTW, the infraction you gave me was very immature, it was an attempt to silence me by ridicule, Going yappity yap yap yappity. I am sorry but that is play ground talk and not impressive.

I am sorry if my opinion challenges your method of spreading hatred, it is how I was brought up as a non fanatical Christian.

[Honest man]

Re: I try to understand?

Don't forget Lydia Johnson "UNSAVED TRASH" that is what they think of you!

[handmaiden]

Re: I try to understand?

Levi Jones.
I am puzzled why you assume that I find the actual Word of God to be unsettling, I have not displayed that in my post. . .

You don't find the Word of God unsettling? Then you're not paying attention. It wasn't written to make people feel "settled"; it was written to command people to obey.

[. . .] your quotes are true, as true as the interpretation of the church of England for who the translation was inscribed. You then further interpret and use, any quotation without context, linking it with other out of context passages and construct a meaning that is wholly to your liking. . .

Well, this is one True Christian Lady who doesn't always like what the Bible says. I find submission and celibacy both very hard to accept. But accepting Jesus means accepting His word which means accepting the Bible. Follow the logic? I have faced the fact that a Bible Believer in my circumstances should be both submissive and sexless because I DO NOT "interpret passages and construct meaning that are to my liking."

You on the other hand are trying to convince me that this is what the original [authors] were saying was the word of the Lord when they wrote the Bible. We both know that what you write is all to support the notions and ideals that you and your church hold, unpleasant and wicked as they are.

My first instinct against this charge is to point out that EVERY church in Christiandom uses the Bible to support their own "notions and ideals" as you put it. When you insist that LBC's notions and ideals are "unpleasant and wicked" I must respond that the Bible can, indeed, seem unpleasant to modern sensibilities. I, myself, am rather squeamish. Much of the bloodshed in the Bible is difficult to consider for a city-bred gal like myself who has never slaughtered her own dinner much less an unbeliever. However, anyone with even a minimal exposure to the Bible could tell you that calling it wicked is a bit risky -- God being rather intolerant to those who suggest that He in the wrong, you know.

Naturally, you will retort by insisting that you did not say the God was wicked, but rather LBC and its ideals. Our most cherished ideal is that the Bible must be taken at face value. Which leads me to your next assertion . .

[ . . . ] having spent my entire life being nice to people . . . at no point did I preach hatred of others . . .

Well, some say that it's nice to be nice. But it's not always Godly. Look hard; you will not find the word, "nice" in the Bible.

And while I laud you for not preaching hatred of others, I must insist that what you appear to be "preaching" is tailor-made belief. You cut and trim the cloth to fit your own frame -- or framework, as it is. We take the Bible as whole cloth and wrap ourselves in it. Thus we are protected from the criticisms of those such as yourself.

Gosh, I hope that I wasn't too nice in this post. Being nice and declaring God's Word are not always the same thing. Just ask John the Baptist.

Sincerely Yours,

Handmaiden

[Levi Jones]

Re: I try to understand?

Don't forget Lydia Johnson "UNSAVED TRASH" that is what they think of you!

Everyone starts off as unsaved trash. The difference between you and Mrs. Johnson is that her status is likely to change. Yours on the other hand.

[Honest man]

Re: I try to understand?

Levi Jones
Re Ms Johnson, you are all a bunch of bullies, I doubt if there is one decent, kind Christian amongst you, and you are one of the leaders. That speaks volumes of you.


Handmaiden

That was more elaborate, paraphrased nonsense. You do appear to be a more intelligent argumentor here. Nevertheless, your assertion that I make everything suit my purposes whilst you take the King James bible as it comes, thus ensuring your unaccountability is really quite bizarre. Please don't assume that I am as gullible as Lydia Johnson(UNSAVED TRASH). I am not used to having all the Christian values I have held dear all my life, trashed in favour of a doctrine supposedly gleaned from the same bible that I have known, that would encourage me to hate and despise my fellow man, to actively judge them on earth and condone their damnation.
Sorry, I would afford you the consideration I give to anyone despite your nastiness, because I am a christian. I don't know what you lot are, but I am going to publicise your forum to as many Christians as possible, let us see if you can stand up to the scrutiny of decent people.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: I try to understand?

I am obviously attempting to put my side of the argument in as good a light as possible

If you were trying to put your argument in as good a light as possible you would back it up with some scripture. Don't you have something better to do than persecute real, Bible following Christians on the internet? If I found the likes of you a wanderin' 'round in my woods I'd learn ya somethin' swift.