[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

With all my disgust and repulsion for the person you are, learn some f ucking tolerance before you kick the bucket, old man.

Ah, the liberal's definition of "tolerance" comes out so soon!

"You can believe anything you like, as long as you agree with me."

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

Just as you accepted the privilege of being born to White American parents in a country where Whites are the majority and richest demographic?
People living in glass houses...

Not at all. First, while white people are the largest single demographic, they are not the majority. Second, I'm mixed-race, part Native American.

Finally, God knew me before I was born. He decided where I would be born and to whom. That is nothing at all like karma.

Not all Christians. Here's the official position on race at the Landoverbaptist forum

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?p=505253#post505253

Some of your proud Christian comrades want to bring back slavery http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showt...hlight=slavery

Again, people living in glass houses...

Slavery applies to people of all races. Maybe you should read the Bible and understand Biblical slavery. Parents often sold their children into slavery; it had nothing to do with race.

Indians aren't atheistic in a Western sense. Many visit temples. But, most urban Indians are ignorant about their own religion. Money is a major driving force in their lives, something which makes me very sad.

There is only one sense that one is atheistic. It means not believing that there are gods. That's the only sense. Please do not misuse words and expect us to understand you.

First of all, I would like to say even if you're a true Christian, your beliefs in Karma should not hurt your present relationship with God. God should know the matters of the heart and won't have to hate you for a mere belief.

Karma is preconditioned upon reincarnation. The Bible expressly states there is no such thing. Karma, therefore, is anti-Christian.

Let me reiterate the major difference between Hinduism and Christianity. Christianity is a dogmatic "faith"-based religion with a monolithic God-like entity. Being Christian, you insist that all your beliefs should come from a rule-book called the Bible. But, you don't really follow this in principle.

We follow it in principle and in the letter of God's Law.

It doesn't matter whether the belief of Karma has a pagan (Hindu) origin. There are thousands of beliefs in your life which didn't originate with Christianity and were not explicitly mentioned in the Bible. You still believe in them against your will - heck, you even enjoy revelling in such beliefs. As do all humans on Earth, including every Christian.

Supposing, you are prejudiced against Blacks, that's a "belief" which you acquired through experience or intuition. While walking, you prefer crossing the street from left instead of right - that too is a "belief". Fact of the matter is, you have internalised these beliefs to such an extent that you didn't even notice whether or not you're supposed to refer Bible for guidance.

Um, no.

Prejudice is not a belief. It may be founded upon beliefs, but is not in itself a belief.

A preference in how one crosses a street is not a "belief". It is a habit.

Sorry, try again.

Back to the Law of Karma. It's somewhat analogous to Newton's Third Law of Motion in Physics. "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction"; "every cause has an effect". Now, let me ask you a question: Do you believe in Newton's Third Law of Motion?

Assuming your belief in Newton's 3rd law is deep enough, the laws of Karma could be treated as a logical extension of the same. While Newton's law govern the motion of particles in the physical realm, the Law of Karma analogously applies to the Spiritual realm. The Law of Karma is simply a "cause-effect" trajectory of your life.

Every good and noble action yields a positive result and gives you good Karma. Every wicked action gives you the opposite.

If you're healthy, happy and cheerful today, it's certainly your good Karma for a period of time (it could be anything from a few hours to days and years, and even the past life) which produced the current positive attitude. If you're angry, bitter and resentful at the moment, just try to recollect what you did wrong. This is what we call "introspection". All Human beings, including Christians, constantly introspect the past to see where they went wrong.

Yes, I understand the basics. However, once again, Karma is preconditioned upon reincarnation. Since you're so keen on comparing your mythology to science, please show me the scientific evidence that reincarnation occurs.

It cannot be denied that the past does shape your present and future. Where are you employed today? At a church as a pastor? How the hell did you land there? What events in the past influenced your present stage in life?

My choices and God's guidance brought me here, not some magical "Karma" from imaginary "past lives".

Let's compare Karma to the DNA of a human being. The DNA only gives you a picture of the physical reality. It doesn't explain the personality differences between two individuals, their likes and dislikes and more. Every human being is rubber-stamped with a unique persona comprising intellect, likes and dislikes, prejudices and various subtle attitudes. Where do they originate? There has to be a source, an originating force which makes a person what he is.

Experience, not "Karma". People make their choices based upon their experiences, they are not caused by magical external forces.

Without going further on the metaphysics of the Law of Karma (you can read plenty of articles on this subject on your own), I can suggest a practical method for you to experience the law first hand. Just like you may have learnt Newton's third law of motion after conducting some experiments in your Physics lab.

For next eight days, be a very nice person, I mean even nicer than what you are. Help the old lady at the bus stop, say "thank you" and "please" to every person that comes your way, promise yourself not to be upset for even a moment and try to be as charitable as nice as possible. If possible, don't consume any meat or animal products in this time span.

Take notes in a diary on all your good deeds. Try to notice the good things which happen in your life due to the Law of Karma. Try to plot a graph for the same.

For another eight days, be a complete asshole. Push down the old lady at the supermarket when she's pushing her preachey, cuss and scream at every stranger, down yourself into alcohol and cigarettes, meat, marijuana - whatever you can lay your hands on. Steal, rob, if you can - let go of all your civility.

Of course, stay legal. I don't want you to get arrested for these experiments. But, simply be the most loathsome character you always wanted to be.

I'm a Christian, fool. I would not do these horrible deeds you suggest. But I see that you, as a Hindu, lack God and the moral compass He provides and are thus willing to suggest that I sin before God to prove that people won't be pleasant toward me if I'm rude to them.

Wow, how scientific!

The Bible states that every Christian is judged based on their actions and belief in Jesus. However, what happens to the infant who died at birth? The ignorant seven-year old who died in a car accident without being baptised? What was their fault? Individuals like these didn't have the maturity, intelligence,time and reasoning to internalise faith in Jesus. However, at the same time, all these individuals had a unique spiritual trajectory which shaped their character, convictions and events in life. If there was a God, why did he simply send them to Earth, experience so much pain as a mortal, and die. Only to be condemned to Hell for the reasons provided on this forum.

I see you do not comprehend Original Sin. All humans are, by nature, sinful and condemned to an eternity of torture in God's Lake of Fire. Only those who beg forgiveness for their depraved nature and cease sinning can be Saved.

To summarise, you may choose to believe in the Law of Karma or you may not. It should not affect your status as a True Christian. If so, it can be well said you're solely motivated by denialism.

I have already explained to you a number of times that Karma is predicated upon reincarnation, which is an anti-Christian belief. It is not possible to believe in your Hindu Karma and be a Christian.

[James Dewitt]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

1. I don't need your permission to hit on whoever I want to. You're a jealous, insecure bigot on top of being a Christian bigot.
2. I don't care much about your Jesus anyway.
3.!@#$ you.

Bad word removed


So much for Hinnidos being so darned tolerant.

I guess Karma flew right out the window( That's a glass covered opening in the wall)

#1 Our fine ladies will not go out with you
How am I a Bigot?

#2 Jesus is not real found of you either, He would like it if we stone you.

Now on to #3 I am not a Homersexural, so we will not be doing that.

[blunthead]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

No American is my only language! How come you dark people always are hitting on our women folk? Jesus does not like race traitors!

1. I don't need your permission to hit on whoever I want to. You're a jealous, insecure bigot on top of being a Christian bigot.
2. I don't care much about your Jesus anyway.
3. F U C K you.

[James Dewitt]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

Do I have to translate good-natured banter to you? Isn't English your first language?

No American is my only language! How come you dark people always are hitting on our women folk? Jesus does not like race traitors!

[blunthead]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

Getting kind of personal aren't we Mr Sand Nigra? Lycia is a good girl now, sure at one time she was a whore. She has found Jesus.

Do I have to translate good-natured banter to you? Isn't English your first language?

[blunthead]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

Sooo..... how does this fit into your idea of "Karma"?

For once, I don't mind earning some "negative" Karma if I can give my piece of mind to these bigoted nutjobs. Later, I can always find something more positive to swing good Karma in my favour.

[James Dewitt]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

If you asked in a light vein, the answer is Yes

Are you a virgin? That would make a very useful human sacrifice for Goddess Kali. I want to be blessed with immortality through your young Christian blood.

Happy?

Getting kind of personal aren't we Mr Sand Nigra? Lycia is a good girl now, sure at one time she was a whore. She has found Jesus.

[Wide-Open]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

With all my disgust and repulsion for the person you are, learn some f ucking tolerance before you kick the bucket, old man.

Sooo..... how does this fit into your idea of "Karma"?

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

If you asked in a light vein, the answer is Yes

Are you a virgin? That would make a very useful human sacrifice for Goddess Kali. I want to be blessed with immortality through your young Christian blood.

Happy?

Not really, no!

[blunthead]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

I notice you never answered my question, friend.

If you asked in a light vein, the answer is Yes

Are you a virgin? That would make a very useful human sacrifice for Goddess Kali. I want to be blessed with immortality through your young Christian blood.

Happy?

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

I notice you never answered my question, friend.

Hey Mr. Hindoo. Do you eat people?

[blunthead]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

I’m not going to reply to all your superficial points; I will address a few.

You're sticking to your guns for the sake of it. I never asked you to adopt the Law of Karma because of its religious aspect. It may be considered for its purely metaphysical beauty alone. I did not ever ask you to dawdle in your faith. You just want to hate a different belief system for the sake of it. You have no appreciation for the thousands of years of civilisation that built these values different from yours. I'm sure You have little appreciation for things that make life beautiful, say a beautiful painting except in your own perverted manner of demonising others beliefs. If you claim otherwise, it makes you an even bigger bigot.


Like a child who keeps to his favourite toys, or the proverbial frog in a well, you lead a deluded existence with an extreme superiority complex to boot. Out of touch with realities, insensitive to unfolding realities that take place in everyone's daily lives. I would absolutely hate to share your mindset or exchange my brain with yours. I'd sooner hold a gun next to my head than think like you. With all my disgust and repulsion for the person you are, learn some f ucking tolerance before you kick the bucket, old man.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

I’m not going to reply to all your superficial points; I will address a few. I have been to India - Meghalaya, Uttar Pradesh, Bengal, and Rajasthan

Just as you accepted the privilege of being born to White American parents in a country where Whites are the majority and richest demographic?

People living in glass houses...

We are the vast majority; the glasshouse in which we live is one that covers the largest demographic. The wealthy in India are a quite separate society; they neither know nor care of the sufferings of the poor. They accept the system as it is. Talk to me about indentured labor and the child workers I saw. The gap between rich and poor is huge.

Is it not so that God has cursed the majority to live under an uncaring upper class?

Give respect. Earn it back. That's what my parents taught me. I don't know what the Bible taught you.

There is a modern philosophy that says that “all beliefs and lifestyles should be respected.” Despite false Christians accepting this, it is NOT the Lord’s Word. You worship idols – a vile sin. How can we respect that and remain true to God?

First of all, I would like to say even if you're a true Christian, your beliefs in Karma should not hurt your present relationship with God. God should know the matters of the heart and won't have to hate you for a mere belief.

He is quite firm on this one, in fact it is His first commandment and His second.

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Deuteronomy 5:1-22
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image. Exodus 20:4

For the True Christian™ there is Heaven and Hell,

Let me reiterate the major difference between Hinduism and Christianity. Christianity is a dogmatic "faith"-based religion with a monolithic God-like entity. Being Christian, you insist that all your beliefs should come from a rule-book called the Bible. But, you don't really follow this in principle.

You were correct up until the final sentence. We do follow the Bible literally, anything else is not Christianity.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

It doesn't matter whether the belief of Karma has a pagan (Hindu) origin.

Of course it does, who are you going to believe, a known liar or a man of perfect honor? Pagans had/have no moral compass, they can say what they want and never have a moments attack of conscience – they are led by false gods. God speaks the Truth.

Supposing, you are prejudiced against Blacks, that's a "belief" which you acquired through experience or intuition. While walking, you prefer crossing the street from left instead of right - that too is a "belief". Fact of the matter is, you have internalised these beliefs to such an extent that you didn't even notice whether or not you're supposed to refer Bible for guidance.

You have again missed the message of Landover, let me refresh you memory:

Landover Baptist Faith and Message statement
"The Holy Bible, KJV1611, was written by men divinely inspired and is God's revelation of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure of divine instruction. It has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth, without any mixture of error, for its matter. Therefore, all Scripture therein is totally true and trustworthy.”

Back to the Law of Karma. It's somewhat analogous to Newton's Third Law of Motion in Physics. "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction"; "every cause has an effect". Now, let me ask you a question: Do you believe in Newton's Third Law of Motion?

Newton is not God, comparing a physical reaction with some weird false religion is invalid, Our point is, Follow the Bible, otherwise your Karma is so bad you will burn in the Fires of hell for Eternity – case closed.

It cannot be denied that the past does shape your present and future. Where are you employed today? At a church as a pastor? How the hell did you land there?

Hell has little place in a Church and Satan certainly did not appoint any Pastors!

What events in the past influenced your present stage in life?

God did it.

Let's compare Karma to the DNA of a human being.

No, let’s not – there is no parallel

For next eight days, be a very nice person, I mean even nicer than what you are. Help the old lady at the bus stop, say "thank you" and "please" to every person that comes your way, promise yourself not to be upset for even a moment and try to be as charitable as nice as possible.

We are nice and we do receive our rward in heaven. This time on Earth is like walking through a barren land with only the Light of Christ to guide you. Our fate is to reach Heaven.

If possible, don't consume any meat or animal products in this time span.

This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard! Read the Book of Genesis! You will find that the first murderer was a vegetarian and his vegetarianism lead to that murder. God does not like rabbit food!

Acts 10:9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

To summarise, you may choose to believe in the Law of Karma or you may not. It should not affect your status as a True Christian. If so, it can be well said you're solely motivated by denialism.

and this is why we do not listen to pagans and worshipers of false gods.

India mainly has a 300 million+ middle class segment and at least one million, High Net Worth Individuals (HNWI). That's a lot of disposable money.

Currently, we are the 10th or 12th most wealthiest country in the world as far as GDP goes.

Give me the figures on wealth distribution…

Many people do live in Haiti-like squalor conditions

That would be about 99.99%

but many are quite affluent

That would be the rest. Despite its burgeoning economy, the gap between rich and poor in India is vast.
WEALTH DISTRIBUTION IN INDIA
Top 1%: 16% of wealth
Top 5%: 38% of wealth
Top 10%: 53% of wealth
Bottom 80%: 30% of wealth
Bottom 50%: 8% of wealth
Bottom 20%: 1% of wealth
Bottom 10% 0.2% of wealth

Source: University of Western Ontario, 2006

About 35% of people live on less than US$1 a day. Poverty is at its worst in rural areas and is often accompanied by high levels of illiteracy and poor health.
Nationally, almost half of children suffer from malnourishment, although infant mortality rates have declined. Almost 60% of people in towns and 20% in rural areas do not have access to proper sanitation.

Every person in my present surroundings lives in his own house which is valued at least $100,000.

That would buy a reasonable slum in a Darkie area here.

However, you seem like a reasonable business man, I’m thinking that my 2 call centers are costing too much. Should I dismiss my workers and outsource to India? What are the daily rates for peons to answer a phone?

[blunthead]

Re: Hindu man here - hello dear christians

Do you have any intention on repenting and becoming a Christian?

No, never. We're just having an inter-faith dialogue. I said I'm here to understand your beliefs - not to become like you.

Hindu has obviously done a lot of good for your country and people...(cough..cough) If you want a chance at actual success that doesn't involve getting lucky today while going through the garbage cans Christianity is the way to start!

Thank you for your concern.