[Enfluerage]

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Sorry, where does the Bible say sola Scripture?

1 Corinthians 11L2 I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the traditions just as I passed them on to you.



Faith alone does not save you.

“What good is it my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?...You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone...faith without deeds is dead.” (Jas. 2:14-26)

hi !

thank you for your thoughts. yours is an excellent post. have a look at the following Scripture. btw, i really like reading the new advent encyclopedia. i also really like the introduction in Deus Caritas Est - encyclical letter.

And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Salvation is of the LORD

[Levi Jones]

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thank you for your thoughts and take care !

a bunch of scriptures I have read a million times.

Exactly. I'm glad you acknowledge that Jesus did not come to subtract from the Old Testament. He came to add more commandments.

[Enfluerage]

Re: introduction

Jesus is directly quoting the Old Testament.

thank you for your thoughts and take care !

But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

* * *

But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?

And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves? And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

[James Peter]

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hi !

please take care and best wishes:

"sola Scriptura"

Sorry, where does the Bible say sola Scripture?

1 Corinthians 11L2 I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the traditions just as I passed them on to you.

"sola fide"

Faith alone does not save you.

“What good is it my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?...You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone...faith without deeds is dead.” (Jas. 2:14-26)

[Levi Jones]

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Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Jesus is directly quoting the Old Testament.

Deuteronomy 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets

Leviticus 19:17-18 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

What did Jesus say when Satan tried to tempt Him?

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Where did Jesus get that from?

Deuteronomy 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Jesus is speaking among His disciples. Telling them to love one another. He didn't tell them to love people who reject Him.

34A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

[Enfluerage]

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Are you some kind of foreigner? Why don't you introduce yourself properly? What church do you attend? How old are you? What godless country do you hail from?

hi !

please take care and best wishes:

"sola Scriptura"
"sola gratia"
"sola fide"
"solus Christus
"soli Deo gloria"

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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hi !

sorry - sometimes i do get carried away. i've made many mistakes in the past. even writing in this forum, i've made mistakes. there are also many things i don't understand. thank you for sharing your thoughts and best wishes.

Are you some kind of foreigner? Why don't you introduce yourself properly? What church do you attend? How old are you? What godless country do you hail from?

[Enfluerage]

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Oh don't sweat it. I was mainly aiming my comments at these Landover guys. You seem fairly nice as far a religious people go. I just don't believe in your Bible, and it's very obvious it contradicts itself.

hi !

sorry - sometimes i do get carried away. i've made many mistakes in the past. even writing in this forum, i've made mistakes. there are also many things i don't understand. thank you for sharing your thoughts and best wishes.

Salvation is of the LORD

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

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i'm really sorry !
i feel so upset when i hear this (or similar), and it's often when i behave prideful, ignorant, impatient or rude.

Oh don't sweat it. I was mainly aiming my comments at these Landover guys. You seem fairly nice as far a religious people go. I just don't believe in your Bible, and it's very obvious it contradicts itself.

I'd end it at that, but since you decided to flood me with quotes, I feel the need to say more. Hope you don't mind hearing my opinion as your were kind enough to share them.

God is love

So God says. Then he goes off and says something like this,

1 Samuel 15:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Yes, and what happens to those who don't accept Jesus? How does he show his love to them?

And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.

And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves? And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

Yes, and than later on the Bible says this:

Whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. -- James 4:4

[Meek and Humble]

Re: introduction

for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart

Why don't you quote the WHOLE verse?


1 Smauel 16: 7But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."

In this passage, God is telling Samuel to reject someone, despite looking good, because God rejects him. Quoting half the verse makes it sound the other way around - as though man is being too judgmental and God is condemning them for it. No, God is in fact saying to judge them even harder, not just their looks, but their actions too.

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

1 Corinthians 2: 15But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
everlasting life.

Hosea 9: 15 “Because of all their wickedness in Gilgal,
I hated them there.
Because of their sinful deeds,
I will drive them out of my house.
I will no longer love them;
all their leaders are rebellious.

10Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Malachi 1:3 but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his hill country into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals.”

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Romans 14:23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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hi

it's fantastic being in this forum and take care there !

for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

the passages in the original post are among the most oftenly quoted.
"fluffy bunny liberal" ?

or is it similar to:

"sola Scriptura"
"sola gratia"
"sola fide"
"solus Christus
"soli Deo gloria"

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
everlasting life.

10Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.



8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

I'm not sure I understand your point. Are you trying to demonstrate a point, or simply tossing out Scripture?

If the latter, here's one of my favorites, woefully underquoted. I've used it in sermons a couple of times. The Lord brought me to new congregations shortly after each of those sermons, in fact!

1 John 3:4-9

4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

[Meek and Humble]

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2 Corinthians 6: 14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.


2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.



James 2: 19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.


1 John 3:8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.




Revelation 20: 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.


Luke 14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.


Proverbs 6:16 There are six things the LORD hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.

[Enfluerage]

Re: introduction

Oh, I love watching you Christians arguing amongst each other, hurtling contradictory verses at each other, each desperate to show that THEIR interpretation of the Bible is right.

If God is real, why is he letting all this confusion abound? Why couldn't he manage to write a straightforward book, or why doesn't he come down and actually talk to us?

thank you for your thoughts and best wishes !

"i love watching you Christians arguing amongst each other"
exactly !!! so many people tell this to me (or similar)

i'm really sorry !
i feel so upset when i hear this (or similar), and it's often when i behave prideful, ignorant, impatient or rude.

God is love

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.

And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves? And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

[Enfluerage]

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[QUOTE=Heathen_Basher;653223]Hello friend. You seem nice enough, though a little confused. If I were to guess your faith, I'd say fluffy-bunny liberal false Christian. But your heart is in the right place, I'm sure. Thankfully Jesus has guided you to where you need to be

hi

it's fantastic being in this forum and take care there !

for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

the passages in the original post are among the most oftenly quoted.
"fluffy bunny liberal" ?

or is it similar to:

"sola Scriptura"
"sola gratia"
"sola fide"
"solus Christus
"soli Deo gloria"

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
everlasting life.

10Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.



8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: introduction

Oh, I love watching you Christians arguing amongst each other, hurtling contradictory verses at each other, each desperate to show that THEIR interpretation of the Bible is right.

If God is real, why is he letting all this confusion abound? Why couldn't he manage to write a straightforward book, or why doesn't he come down and actually talk to us?