[Loves My Satan]

Re: Wicca, the truth about it

Do bullets count as hexxes? *Manic cackle*

But in seriousness, I do wonder when that Pastor will respond.

-high fives- WOOOT YOU IS EPIC, and no i wont harm them in any way shape or form

[barton]

Re: Wicca, the truth about it

Wicca is the oldest religion in the world, and you all have stolen a large amount of traditions, the date of Xmas, the Xmas tree.

Despite your bleatings to the contrary, Wicca is an altogether new religion. It's wishful, uninformed thinking to believe there's a continuous history from the time of the ancient Celts and your New Age covens. There are no coherent traditions from those times. You've all just slapped together some of what we know of those traditions, re-tooled them and given it all a new name: Wicca.

None of this really matters, of course. No matter how much of a good person you think you are, God still sees you as a vile sinner bound for Hell. Repent of your witchery now and you may yet be saved.

[Lisa H]

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so what you and your "godly ways" is saying that you should kill a 17 year old male, there are many witches and New agers that are a better person then you in both soul and actions!

Witches are female. Are you a homer witch.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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we do not know the date because it is older than most religions, plus you thought that there was no religions before 1950

Dear Idiot:

Wicca was created by Gerald Gardner, a British postal worker, in 1954.

The bulk of his rituals were plagiarized from Aleister Crowley's Ordo Templis Orientalis, but Gardner claimed to have learned everything from a mysterious woman whom nobody could find.

Much like Joseph Smith read the Book of Mormon from gold tablets that nobody else ever saw.

Wicca has more recently been popularized by Silverbunny Ravenfluff, author of "Teen Witch" and other idiotic drivel aimed at a witless and gullible audience. Shall I assume you've read it?

Silverbunny Ravenfluff herself acknowledges that Wicca is a new "religion" (see quote below).


Here, a non-Christian reference for you:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_hist.htm

How much of Wicca can be traced to the Celts?

Wicca is a religion based, in part, on ancient, northern European Pagan beliefs in a fertility Goddess and her consort, a horned God. Although the religion is a modern creation, some of its sources pre-date the Christian era by many centuries. Most Wiccans do not believe that their religion is a direct, continuous descendent of this earlier religion. They see it as a modern reconstruction.

Joanna Hautin-Mayer has written:

"We know tragically little about the actual religious expressions of the ancient Celts. We have a few myths and legends, but very little archeological evidence to support our theories. We have no written records of their actual forms of worship, and the accounts of their culture and beliefs written by their contemporaries are often highly biased and of questionable historical worth." 1

Ms. Hautin-Mayer is particularly critical of recent Neopagan books which she demonstrates to be largely fictional accounts of the history of Wicca 3 (presented as an Irish Pagan tradition), Faery Wicca 4 (presented as an ancient tradition), and 21 Lessons of Merlyn 5 (a somewhat racist and sexist account of Druidism).

Silver RavenWolf wrote in 1998:

"Wicca, as you practice the religion today, is a new religion, barely fifty years old. The techniques you use at present are not entirely what your elders practiced even thirty years ago. Of course, threads of 'what was' weave through the tapestry of 'what is now.' ...in no way can we replicate to perfection the precise circumstances of environment, society, culture, religion and magick a hundred years ago, or a thousand. Why would we want to ? The idea is to go forward with the knowledge of the past, tempered by the tools of our own age." 2

[AzureWatcher]

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Despite your bleatings to the contrary, Wicca is an altogether new religion. It's wishful, uninformed thinking to believe there's a continuous history from the time of the ancient Celts and your New Age covens. There are no coherent traditions from those times. You've all just slapped together some of what we know of those traditions, re-tooled them and given it all a new name: Wicca.

Hrm. I'm not sure, Sir, but I do believe that there are many archaeologist and historians who would disagree.

But, -shrug-, I doubt that anyone would opt to change opinions so there's no real point in bickering over it.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Hrm. I'm not sure, Sir, but I do believe that there are many archaeologist and historians who would disagree.

But, -shrug-, I doubt that anyone would opt to change opinions so there's no real point in bickering over it.

I do believe there are no archaeologists nor any historians who would disagree that Wicca is a new "religion". Didn't you read what I just wrote above?

Even Silverbunny Ravenfluff agrees that it's a new "religion".

[Lycia The Repentant]

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Hrm. I'm not sure, Sir, but I do believe that there are many archaeologist and historians who would disagree.

But, -shrug-, I doubt that anyone would opt to change opinions so there's no real point in bickering over it.

Care to name any of these "sources", friend?

Ever think there was a reason its called "neo-paganism"?

Even most witches agree that Wicca is roughly 60 years old.

[A PROUD WITCH]

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sure the name is new but the practice is older than any of yours

[Lisa H]

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Hrm. I'm not sure, Sir, but I do believe that there are many archaeologist and historians who would disagree.

But, -shrug-, I doubt that anyone would opt to change opinions so there's no real point in bickering over it.

No use in bickering over witches. They are all going to Hell.

[AzureWatcher]

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Even Silverbunny Ravenfluff agrees that it's a new "religion".

Implying that Ravenfluff is the expert on Wicca.

However, according to the Wicca.org homepage, they have been teaching since 1968. I suppose I was wrong?

And, oh dear, that was what? ~40 years ago? o.o

[AzureWatcher]

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Double, posting. Sorry. I seem to be unable to find an Edit button. x.x

Disregard my Ravenfluff comment.

I'm too tired for this.

Good night, everyone!

[A PROUD WITCH]

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there is no Hell it is just something made up long ago to scare the people into control, oh jesus is the only way, what about people like gandhi, who saved a nation from tearing them selves a part. is he in this so called "hell" cause he never said he was christian he said he was of all religions

[barton]

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sure the name is new but the practice is older than any of yours

The practice is as new as the name.

However... let's take this in the direction you'd like. Suppose the practice is exactly as the ancients did it thousands of years ago. What does this mean for you? Do you imagine that the older something is, the more true it must be?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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there is no Hell it is just something made up long ago to scare the people into control, oh jesus is the only way, what about people like gandhi, who saved a nation from tearing them selves a part. is he in this so called "hell" cause he never said he was christian he said he was of all religions

Yes. And Gandhi helped to tear India apart, into India and Pakistan. He and his Hindu anti-Muslim attitude -- the Hindu need to wash their hands after shaking hands with a Muslim -- resulted in ethnic cleansings, the division of India into separate Hindu and Muslim theocracies, and border wars that continue to this day.

Learn just a little history before you go praising its greatest monsters.

So, you say "there is no Hell", yet you believe in a "lord and lady" whom you've never seen except in drug-addled skyclad orgies in the woods, where the only "horned god" was a man as doped up as you.

[Lycia The Repentant]

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sure the name is new but the practice is older than any of yours

No. You're simply wrong.

Wicca, and all of its practices, simply did not exist before Gerald Gardener and Aleister Crowley dreamed them up.

For the sake of argument, lets assume that Crowley thought up most wiccan rituals when he was in the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn (the first occult organization he was a part of) and Gerald Gardener simply plagiarized them. That would still mean that those rituals are, at most, 110 years old.

When did Christ walk the earth? Roughly 2000 years ago?

There were witches (witches, not wiccans) around before that, but thanks the catlick church managing to do something right for once, almost nothing is known about their practices.

Or did Morgana Le Fay come to you in a dream and tell you differently?