[Bobblehead Bob the Boob]

Re: Physics Rules

Bogdana,

You state;

Although some birth defects are uniformly lethal, disabled persons can succeed in life.

Succeed in life? Yes at a high cost to society. Why use precious reseources on these folks (in the form of wheelchairs, expensive electronics and so forth). Do you not understand Darwin's view on scarcity of resources? You'll have me thinking you are a christian before long as you seem to be making a moral argument here.

As to your overall argument it can be boiled down to saying that by eliminating defects from the gene pool on a limited basis we still have those same traits carried in the balance of the population. To be sure this is true but if we help it along by eliminating some we statiscally improve the odds of achieving perfection, thus taking time off the evolutionary process. Would you not agree?

As to my plan, I have none. In the USA although we have become progressive enough to identify and permit the elimination of these traits, we still cling to the moralistic notion that everyone should have a choice in this matter. This originates from judeo-christian thinking, not from darwinism. It is my hope that someday we will become enlightened enough to make such elimination mandatory. Alas we have not reached that point.

Yours truly,

Bib

[James Hutchins]

Re: Physics Rules

Welcome SuperGeekPhysicist! It is very interesting to meet one of you people who actually claim to believe in scientific malarkey.
How many sons have you made from Drano and bleach?
Do you wrap your tail around your waist under your shirt or did your robot sex toy cut a hole in your pants to let it hang free?
As you evolve and more fingers appear on your hands, do you simply cut them off with scissors or are you a stump biter?

[ExGay Alex]

Re: Physics Rules

HELL, see attached photo.

That's Hell all right! And I think I see Bob right there in the middle trying the engage all the others into some kind of joint project. Maybe they're climbing up the food chain to get ice or something.

You see, Bob, there is no concept of "survival of the fittest" in Hell. The weak survive, too. And it lasts FOREVER. In Matthew 25:41, Jesus Christ warned that unsaved sinners will enter “the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”

2 Peter 3 says that Hell will be on earth. Revelation 20:8-9 tells us more or less the same, but God can put it wherever He wants and your weenie will roast.

We don't want to fight you. We just want you to accept Jesus and save you from eternal torment. It's not a hard choice. It's a softchoice. Just do it.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: Physics Rules

Bogdana,

Please calm down. We are on the same side! I'm not saying Hitler was perfect, only that his pretending to be christian was a brilliant ploy to reel in the weak minded. To be sure his campaign against the jews was misguided. I was speaking of his progressive approach to eugenics in the sense that he destroyed the handicapped and retarded. His single minded attempt to destroy once race was not in line with atheistic progressive thinking today. Today we have the genetic tools at our disposal weed out the truly weak. Those with higher than average IQ's should of course be left in the gene pool to produce offspring. We agree on this!

Dear Bogdana, of course we are at the top of the food chain but who is to say how far we can go. As a progressive atheist I only want us to maximize our potential!

Yours truly,

Bob

You claim to be a "microbiologist", and yet you don't seem to have a clue about biology at all. It's amazing how many advanced degrees people on the internet seem to have
Even a basic wikipedia search shows the unscientific ridiculousness of your claims.

Eugenicists advocate specific policies that (if successful) they believe will lead to a perceived improvement of the human gene pool. Since defining what improvements are desired or beneficial is perceived by many as a cultural choice rather than a matter that can be determined objectively (e.g., by empirical, scientific inquiry), eugenics has often been deemed a pseudoscience.[32] The most disputed aspect of eugenics has been the definition of "improvement" of the human gene pool, such as what is a beneficial characteristic and what is a defect. This aspect of eugenics has historically been tainted with scientific racism.

Eugenics has also been concerned with the elimination of hereditary diseases such as hemophilia and Huntington's disease. However, there are several problems with labeling certain factors as genetic defects. In many cases there is no scientific consensus on what a genetic defect is. It is often argued that this is more a matter of social or individual choice. What appears to be a genetic defect in one context or environment may not be so in another. This can be the case for genes with a heterozygote advantage, such as sickle-cell disease or Tay-Sachs disease, which in their heterozygote form may offer an advantage against, respectively, malaria and tuberculosis. Although some birth defects are uniformly lethal, disabled persons can succeed in life. Many of the conditions early eugenicists identified as inheritable (pellagra is one such example) are currently considered to be at least partially, if not wholly, attributed to environmental conditions

While the science of genetics has increasingly provided means by which certain characteristics and conditions can be identified and understood, given the complexity of human genetics, culture, and psychology there is at this point no agreed objective means of determining which traits might be ultimately desirable or undesirable.[citation needed] Some diseases such as sickle-cell disease and cystic fibrosis respectively confer immunity to malaria and resistance to cholera when a single copy of the recessive allele is contained within the genotype of the individual. Reducing the instance of sickle-cell disease in Africa where malaria is a common and deadly disease could indeed be a net negative effect.

Eugenic policies could also lead to loss of genetic diversity, in which case a culturally accepted improvement of the gene pool could very likely, as evidenced in numerous instances in isolated island populations (e.g. the Dodo, Raphus cucullatus, of Mauritius) result in extinction due to increased vulnerability to disease, reduced ability to adapt to environmental change and other factors both known and unknown. A long-term species-wide eugenics plan might lead to a scenario similar to this because the elimination of traits deemed undesirable would reduce genetic diversity by definition. (Galton 2001, 48[citation needed]).

In some instances efforts to eradicate certain single-gene mutations would be nearly impossible. In the event the condition in question was a heterozygous recessive trait, the problem is that by eliminating the visible unwanted trait, there are still many carriers for the genes without, or with fewer, phenotypic effects due to that gene. With genetic testing it may be possible to detect all of the heterozygous recessive traits, but only at great cost with the current technology. Under normal circumstances it is only possible to eliminate a dominant allele from the gene pool. Recessive traits can be severely reduced, but never eliminated unless the complete genetic makeup of all members of the pool was known, as aforementioned. As only very few undesirable traits, such as Huntington's disease, are dominant, the practical value for "eliminating" traits is quite low.

Now I'm curious. How do you plan to carry out your eugenics plan, if you had the power? Please do be as specific as possible about your methods. You ARE aware of positive eugenics, right?

[Bobblehead Bob the Boob]

Re: Physics Rules

Bogdana,

My apologies, I did not answer your other objection. Of course we cannot control genetic mutations but we can test for them and eliminate the harmful ones that might be otherwise introduced intot he gene pool. Our mamby-pamby humanists would then have us provide life long care at public expense, a misguided and wasteful use of precious resources. Surely you can see the logic in this?

Yours truly,

Bob

[James Dewitt]

Re: Physics Rules

Ex Gay Alex,

Where is this proported lake of fire? During the japenese disaster I saw pictures of fires burning in the water. Is this what you are referring to?

HELL, see attached photo.

[Bobblehead Bob the Boob]

Re: Physics Rules

You'll go as far as the lake of fire. All about Hell.

Ex Gay Alex,

Where is this proported lake of fire? During the japenese disaster I saw pictures of fires burning in the water. Is this what you are referring to?

[ExGay Alex]

Re: Physics Rules

...we are at the top of the food chain but who is to say how far we can go....

You'll go as far as the lake of fire. All about Hell.

[Bobblehead Bob the Boob]

Re: Physics Rules

Hitler was not being brilliant at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_intelligence

Jewish people statistically have much higher IQ's. It's just they were horribly outnumbered in Nazi Europe. Hitler's activities in fact would have been detrimental to the population of Europe in the long run. Not to mention that it is very healthy to introduce new genetic material into an environment, so inter-racial mating would be more likely to raise the Germans to the standards of "supermen" than what Hitler was doing.

Also, since you seem to believe evolution is some sort of God that works in the short-term, rather than a natural process that takes millions of years, you will have to admit Germany was defeated and Hitler died because of their inferior brains, and that Jews now have their own country and many are very rich and powerful, because they are the superior race.

Really? If there is such a large number of atheistic eugenicists, you guys must have at least a few websites up or something you can link me to? Cause when I search for it, all I find is Nazi websites run by radical right-wing Christians. What's up with that?

Humans are already at the top of the food chain. We have no biological necessity to evolve. And your methods are unscientific and inaccurate. We cannot, ever, as hard as we try, kick up evolution by millions of years as you claim. It depends on genetic mutation which we have no control over.

Bogdana,

Please calm down. We are on the same side! I'm not saying Hitler was perfect, only that his pretending to be christian was a brilliant ploy to reel in the weak minded. To be sure his campaign against the jews was misguided. I was speaking of his progressive approach to eugenics in the sense that he destroyed the handicapped and retarded. His single minded attempt to destroy once race was not in line with atheistic progressive thinking today. Today we have the genetic tools at our disposal weed out the truly weak. Those with higher than average IQ's should of course be left in the gene pool to produce offspring. We agree on this!

Dear Bogdana, of course we are at the top of the food chain but who is to say how far we can go. As a progressive atheist I only want us to maximize our potential!

Yours truly,

Bob

[ExGay Alex]

Re: Physics Rules

Dear Bogdana,

As an after thought on my post. I wouldn't want you to get the impression that I support any kind of illegal activity. Eugenics can now be practiced under the sanction and protection of the United States Government. We have finally evolved to the stage where genetic testing can be employed to identify the weak and the flawed while still in the womb. With that insight we have a perfectly legal mechanism at our disposal to accomplish the ultimate Darwinian objective of a utopian society. We can nuke these inferiors in the womb before they have a chance to consume precious resources AND insure that their genes will never enter the gene pool. It's the ideal situation.

I am so happy that our politicians have sided with us on this. With these tools we can proceed unfettered into the future to gain all that we have been seeking.

Yours truly,

Bob

You talk like some evil genius in a Batman movie.

Even if evolution were a fact, who would have created it? Only God could have. See? No matter how you slice it, it comes up Jesus.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Physics Rules

Jewish people statistically have much higher IQ's.

Can you show me that Alfred Binet and Theodore Simon, who invented the IQ test, were not Jewish and biased the test towards the Kykes? What a wonderful way of showing you, and not God, had all the answers!

If there is such a large number of atheistic eugenicists, you guys must have at least a few websites up or something you can link me to?

Never heard of Plato? It all starts there

Cause when I search for it, all I find is Nazi websites run by radical right-wing Christians. What's up with that?

Your capabilities to search.

Humans are already at the top of the food chain. We have no biological necessity to evolve.

I claim that as proof of a Perfect God Who has created the perfect servant in Man.

Madam, you should know better than to preach to men.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: Physics Rules

Honestly I have no interest in Hitler's background. I am a pragmatic atheist in that I only care about the results, not in how one gets there. Actually I admire Hitler for his clever use of christianity to achieve Darwinian goals. That is a fine example of "survival of the fittest". In nature you see it all the time. A clever predator pretending to be the prey by using a disguise that makes the stupid predator think its on of his own. Hitler was brilliantly using the same mechanism!

Hitler was not being brilliant at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_intelligence

Jewish people statistically have much higher IQ's. It's just they were horribly outnumbered in Nazi Europe. Hitler's activities in fact would have been detrimental to the population of Europe in the long run. Not to mention that it is very healthy to introduce new genetic material into an environment, so inter-racial mating would be more likely to raise the Germans to the standards of "supermen" than what Hitler was doing.

Also, since you seem to believe evolution is some sort of God that works in the short-term, rather than a natural process that takes millions of years, you will have to admit Germany was defeated and Hitler died because of their inferior brains, and that Jews now have their own country and many are very rich and powerful, because they are the superior race.

More progressive atheists such as myself understand the pragmatism of its employment.

Really? If there is such a large number of atheistic eugenicists, you guys must have at least a few websites up or something you can link me to? Cause when I search for it, all I find is Nazi websites run by radical right-wing Christians. What's up with that?

Eventually the weak and flawed will be selected out of the gene pool anyway, but why wait when we can have the future now! I am sure you will see the logic in this if only you consider it with your keen intellect.

Humans are already at the top of the food chain. We have no biological necessity to evolve. And your methods are unscientific and inaccurate. We cannot, ever, as hard as we try, kick up evolution by millions of years as you claim. It depends on genetic mutation which we have no control over.

[Bobblehead Bob the Boob]

Re: Physics Rules

Dear Bogdana,

As an after thought on my post. I wouldn't want you to get the impression that I support any kind of illegal activity. Eugenics can now be practiced under the sanction and protection of the United States Government. We have finally evolved to the stage where genetic testing can be employed to identify the weak and the flawed while still in the womb. With that insight we have a perfectly legal mechanism at our disposal to accomplish the ultimate Darwinian objective of a utopian society. We can nuke these inferiors in the womb before they have a chance to consume precious resources AND insure that their genes will never enter the gene pool. It's the ideal situation.

I am so happy that our politicians have sided with us on this. With these tools we can proceed unfettered into the future to gain all that we have been seeking.

Yours truly,

Bob

[Bobblehead Bob the Boob]

Re: Physics Rules

Darwin taught NATURAL selection. You are right there is no morality in Darwinism, it is a random NATURAL process. There is no reason at all to resort to eugenics as you try to suggest. A person with a high IQ is just as likely as anyone else to produce sperm that will have defects and have say, a child with downs syndrome. And in the wild, the system that "god" created, a deformed animal would be abandoned by its pack and left to die. But the reason humans have become as advanced as they are is that they know how to circumvent nature. We can easily take care of people with genetic defects, and they bring good to the world - the physically disabled can be geniuses like Hawkins, and even the most mentally disabled can bring happiness to their families lives.

I don't support eugenics, it is too Christian for me. Just like the Christian Nazis who set up the biggest eugenics project in history:

a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.
b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)
c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.
d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.
f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party
g) Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society and supporting the church. The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached them as part of their sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education. This photo depicts Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin. It was taken On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday. The celebrations were initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a tradition.
Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.” (If you would like to know more about the secret dealings of Hitler and the Pope I recommend you get a book titled: Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell)
h) Due to Hitler’s involvement with the Church he began enacting doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion, raged a death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home. Many times Hitler addressed the church and promised that Germany would implement its teachings: “The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.” –Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda “Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.” -Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to National Socialism


How the Nazi Regime converted the people:
a) In the 1920s, Hitler’s German Workers’ Party (pre Nazi term) adopted a “Programme” with twenty-five points (the Nazi version of a constitution). In point twenty-four, their intent clearly demonstrates, from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a “positive” Christianity: “We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession...”
b) The Nazi regime started a youth movement which preached its agenda to impressionable children. Hitler backed up the notion that all people need faith and religious education: “By helping to raise man above the level of bestial vegetation, faith contributes in reality to the securing and safeguarding of his existence. Take away from present-day mankind its education-based, religious- dogmatic principles-- or, practically speaking, ethical-moral principles-- by abolishing this religious education, but without replacing it by an equivalent, and the result will be a grave shock to the foundations of their existence.” – Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
c) The Nazi regime began to control schools insisting that Christianity was taught.
d) The Nazi regime included anti-Semitic Christian writings in textbooks and they were not removed from Christian doctrines until 1961.
e) The Nazi regime having full blown power over the people began to forcibly convert all its military.
f) The Nazi regime forced the German soldiers to wear religious symbols such as the swastika and they placed religious sayings on military gear. An example here is this German army belt buckle (I believe my Opa had one) which reads “Gott Mit Uns”. For those of you who do not speak German it is translated as “God With Us”.
g) The German troops were often forced to get sprinkled with holy water and listen to a sermon by a Catholic priest before going out on a maneuver.
h) The Nazis created a secret service called the “SS Reich” that would act as spies on the dealings of other citizens. If anyone was suspected of heresy (Going not only against the Socialist party but CHURCH DOCTRINE) they would be prosecuted.
“National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for worship; it is exclusively a ‘volkic’ political doctrine based upon racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship... We will not allow mystically- minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else-- in any case something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will-- not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord… Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us men.” -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept.1938.

“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933



"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922


"Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf


"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (The idea of the devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs based on interpretations from the Bible. Martin Luther, and teachers after him, continued this “tradition” up until the 20th century.)
“The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.”–Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)


"…the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his expulsion." -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (See Genesis Chapter 3 where humankind is cast from Eden for their sins. Hitler compares this to the need to exterminate the Jews for their sin against Christ.)


“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)


“The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf



“Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (Here Hitler is admitting that his war against the Jews were so successful because of his strong Christian Spirituality.)

Dear Bogdana,

Thank you for your well thought out post and for agreeing with me about Darwinism having no place for morality.

Honestly I have no interest in Hitler's background. I am a pragmatic atheist in that I only care about the results, not in how one gets there. Actually I admire Hitler for his clever use of christianity to achieve Darwinian goals. That is a fine example of "survival of the fittest". In nature you see it all the time. A clever predator pretending to be the prey by using a disguise that makes the stupid predator think its on of his own. Hitler was brilliantly using the same mechanism!

I'm sorry that you do not see the wisdom of eugenics as Hitler did. Although I applaud you for your scientific acuity, your view on eugenics is flawed. More progressive atheists such as myself understand the pragmatism of its employment. By doing so we are only helping evolution skip ahead by a few million years. Eventually the weak and flawed will be selected out of the gene pool anyway, but why wait when we can have the future now! I am sure you will see the logic in this if only you consider it with your keen intellect.

Thank you again for your reply.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

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I was not accusing your religion of promoting anything. I am condemning my false-atheist friends for hijacking something that belongs to you! (well maybe not you but the people you call false christians). I denounce their soft-minded view of darwinism. A true darwinist understands that we must promote policies that allow the weak to suffer their demise as quickly as possible before they have a chance to pass on their flawed genetic material to future generations, while using our resources to promote the strong and the advantaged even further. A true atheist realizes that our utopian dream can be realized only if we do as much as possible to inject only the advanced genes (such as mine) into the gene pool. I donate to the sperm bank as often as they will allow in hope that my superior IQ will be provided to future generations. (I hope this does not offend you but I am a practical darwinist).

Darwin taught NATURAL selection. You are right there is no morality in Darwinism, it is a random NATURAL process. There is no reason at all to resort to eugenics as you try to suggest. A person with a high IQ is just as likely as anyone else to produce sperm that will have defects and have say, a child with downs syndrome. And in the wild, the system that "god" created, a deformed animal would be abandoned by its pack and left to die. But the reason humans have become as advanced as they are is that they know how to circumvent nature. We can easily take care of people with genetic defects, and they bring good to the world - the physically disabled can be geniuses like Hawkins, and even the most mentally disabled can bring happiness to their families lives.

I don't support eugenics, it is too Christian for me. Just like the Christian Nazis who set up the biggest eugenics project in history:

a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.
b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)
c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.
d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.
f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party
g) Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society and supporting the church. The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached them as part of their sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education. This photo depicts Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin. It was taken On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday. The celebrations were initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a tradition.
Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.” (If you would like to know more about the secret dealings of Hitler and the Pope I recommend you get a book titled: Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell)
h) Due to Hitler’s involvement with the Church he began enacting doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion, raged a death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home. Many times Hitler addressed the church and promised that Germany would implement its teachings: “The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.” –Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda “Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.” -Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to National Socialism


How the Nazi Regime converted the people:
a) In the 1920s, Hitler’s German Workers’ Party (pre Nazi term) adopted a “Programme” with twenty-five points (the Nazi version of a constitution). In point twenty-four, their intent clearly demonstrates, from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a “positive” Christianity: “We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession...”
b) The Nazi regime started a youth movement which preached its agenda to impressionable children. Hitler backed up the notion that all people need faith and religious education: “By helping to raise man above the level of bestial vegetation, faith contributes in reality to the securing and safeguarding of his existence. Take away from present-day mankind its education-based, religious- dogmatic principles-- or, practically speaking, ethical-moral principles-- by abolishing this religious education, but without replacing it by an equivalent, and the result will be a grave shock to the foundations of their existence.” – Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
c) The Nazi regime began to control schools insisting that Christianity was taught.
d) The Nazi regime included anti-Semitic Christian writings in textbooks and they were not removed from Christian doctrines until 1961.
e) The Nazi regime having full blown power over the people began to forcibly convert all its military.
f) The Nazi regime forced the German soldiers to wear religious symbols such as the swastika and they placed religious sayings on military gear. An example here is this German army belt buckle (I believe my Opa had one) which reads “Gott Mit Uns”. For those of you who do not speak German it is translated as “God With Us”.
g) The German troops were often forced to get sprinkled with holy water and listen to a sermon by a Catholic priest before going out on a maneuver.
h) The Nazis created a secret service called the “SS Reich” that would act as spies on the dealings of other citizens. If anyone was suspected of heresy (Going not only against the Socialist party but CHURCH DOCTRINE) they would be prosecuted.
“National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for worship; it is exclusively a ‘volkic’ political doctrine based upon racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship... We will not allow mystically- minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else-- in any case something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will-- not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord… Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us men.” -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept.1938.

“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933



"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922


"Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf


"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (The idea of the devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs based on interpretations from the Bible. Martin Luther, and teachers after him, continued this “tradition” up until the 20th century.)
“The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.”–Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)


"…the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his expulsion." -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (See Genesis Chapter 3 where humankind is cast from Eden for their sins. Hitler compares this to the need to exterminate the Jews for their sin against Christ.)


“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)


“The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf



“Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (Here Hitler is admitting that his war against the Jews were so successful because of his strong Christian Spirituality.)