[Beyondthesmegma]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

So what, you throw out a bunch of philosophy 101 questions, then if nobody answers you within the hour you assume that we're stumped?



I think you're confusing righteous judgement and rebuking with hatred there, buddy. We're commanded by the Holy Bible to point out the sinfulness in others.

"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine." 2 Timothy 4:2

Now why don't you tell us how a True Christian™ should act. Be sure to back your answer with the appropriate scripture. Hint: we don't need to welcome unrepentant sinners with open arms.

Just because you've obviously never read the Bible and have no idea what you're talking about doesn't mean there are contradictions in the Bible. There are NO contradictions in the Bible.

There is no problem of evil. God is responsible for all of the "evil" in the world, and there is nothing in the Bible that suggests that He wouldn't be.

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." Isaiah 45:7

God is enigmatic because He wants so-called "intellectuals" like yourself to be confused by His glorious message and then to burn in Hell eternally for not accepting Him. He wants you to have FAITH.

"But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;" 1 Corinthians 1:27

"But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." 2 Corinthians 4:3-4

The belief that God is omnibenevolent is an unscriptural heresy, sunshine!



Yeah, great job repackaging the Paradox of the Stone. I've personally answered that dumb old question too many times to count.



No, it's not true. Once you have enough FAITH you realize that that isn't a contradiction at all!

"But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26

If you read my thread about the Paradox of the Stone you'll realize that God is so powerful He isn't bound by the rules of logic and rationality at all! It's totally within His power to make 2+2=5, make square circles and too simultaneously grant us free-will and predestine us!



Brother Nobar already pointed out that even the secularists believe things can spontaneously create themselves. Just because you don't like an answer doesn't make it true.



Yes. Every time one of my prayers is answered, then it's proof of divine intervention. On the other hand, every time one of my prayers isn't answered, then the only thing that proves is I need to re-evaluate myself and be a better Christian.



Why don't you ask the 33% of the world that self-identifies as Christians that question, or maybe the 22% of the world that self-identifies as Muslims.



Now explain how a privately-owned website violates your freedom to follow a false god.



Yeah, like we haven't heard that claptrap before.



Just because you're being obstinate and impatient does not make us stupid, buttercup!

Wash O'Hanley is a busy man. What's your problem, you can't conceive of being away from the internet for a day or two?



Just because you dress something up in some pseudo-flowery language doesn't mean you have anything to say. Nobody here likens God to a dream, we all accept His reality totally and literally.



I'll remind you once again that we are blessed by your persecution.

"Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you." Matthew 5:10-12

It seems, Lycia, that you have . . . difficulties answering my questions.

1) As to my "flower language".
In a dream, we create and perceive simultaneously. So well, in fact, that we don't realize its happening. God is creating the world around us and perceiving or looking at us at the same time. He realizes from his perception that he can change things so he does. Tell me how that is not like a dream.

2) Wash's time
You are not Wash O'Hanley. You do not answer for him.

3) Clap Trap
English language please. We live in the US. Not Europe. If your foreign, then I understand. If not, your just an idiot.

4) False God
Yes because Im soooooo Hindu .
Grow up, questioning those who say they know does not mean I believe in a false God.

5)Muslims vs. Christians
Europe will become predominantly Muslim soon. Muslims have 3.9 children on average. Christianity (keep in mind you are including Catholics which you hate) will eventually have less followers than Islam.

6) Your Prayers
Hmm, divine intervention. Nice. You realize you LBC people jump to conclusions. If something happens that you like, you say it was divine intervention. If something else happens, it was Satan. It is black and white with you people. Too dim witted to realize that some things happen because of chance and other things.

7) Nobar
I respect him. He has a cool name. Has a nice ring. Also your still going to hell.

8) Scripture
Use logic. Reason. Don't an old book tell you what to do. Your scripture has changed nothing. My arguments came from fact, deductive and inductive reasoning. Your arguments came from an old book.

I have logic. Your argument is invalid.
I am assuming direct control.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

So what, you throw out a bunch of philosophy 101 questions, then if nobody answers you within the hour you assume that we're stumped?

Zechariah,
You are a true christian, right? Do you claim responsibility for the hatred you have instilled on other people instead of embracing them with open arms like a true christian should.

I think you're confusing righteous judgement and rebuking with hatred there, buddy. We're commanded by the Holy Bible to point out the sinfulness in others.

"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine." 2 Timothy 4:2

Now why don't you tell us how a True Christian™ should act. Be sure to back your answer with the appropriate scripture. Hint: we don't need to welcome unrepentant sinners with open arms.

Do you understand the contradictions in scriptures in the Bible? How do you explain the problem of evil? Why is God so afraid, so enigmatic? If he is all powerful, don't you think he would do a better job of revealing himself?

Just because you've obviously never read the Bible and have no idea what you're talking about doesn't mean there are contradictions in the Bible. There are NO contradictions in the Bible.

There is no problem of evil. God is responsible for all of the "evil" in the world, and there is nothing in the Bible that suggests that He wouldn't be.

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." Isaiah 45:7

God is enigmatic because He wants so-called "intellectuals" like yourself to be confused by His glorious message and then to burn in Hell eternally for not accepting Him. He wants you to have FAITH.

"But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;" 1 Corinthians 1:27

"But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." 2 Corinthians 4:3-4

Such a God would do a much better job of gathering believers. Hell too. Eternal damnation for actions committed in a finite existence contradicts God's omnibenevolence and omnipresence.

The belief that God is omnibenevolent is an unscriptural heresy, sunshine!

Answer this, if you can: Could God, since he is all powerful, create a being more powerful than himself?

Yeah, great job repackaging the Paradox of the Stone. I've personally answered that dumb old question too many times to count.

Answer this, if you can: The argument from free will contests the existence of an omniscient god who has free will — or has allotted the same freedom to his creations — by arguing that the two properties are contradictory. According to the argument, if God already knows the future, then humanity is destined to corroborate with his knowledge of the future and not have true free will to deviate from it. Therefore our free will contradicts an omniscient god. Another argument attacks the existence of an omniscient god who has free will directly in arguing that the will of God himself would be bound to follow whatever God foreknows himself doing throughout eternity. Is this not true?

No, it's not true. Once you have enough FAITH you realize that that isn't a contradiction at all!

"But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26

If you read my thread about the Paradox of the Stone you'll realize that God is so powerful He isn't bound by the rules of logic and rationality at all! It's totally within His power to make 2+2=5, make square circles and too simultaneously grant us free-will and predestine us!

Answer this: What created God. Something cannot create itself.

Brother Nobar already pointed out that even the secularists believe things can spontaneously create themselves. Just because you don't like an answer doesn't make it true.

I am disappointed. God hasn't helped you passionate believers. Every time you pray for something, do you see visible help from Him?

Yes. Every time one of my prayers is answered, then it's proof of divine intervention. On the other hand, every time one of my prayers isn't answered, then the only thing that proves is I need to re-evaluate myself and be a better Christian.

Sometimes I wonder how you can be so passionate about something as enigmatic and cowardly as God. How can you?

Why don't you ask the 33% of the world that self-identifies as Christians that question, or maybe the 22% of the world that self-identifies as Muslims.

I believe in the right to freedom of religion, but I will fight you when you violate mine.

Now explain how a privately-owned website violates your freedom to follow a false god.

I never forgive. I never forget. Prepare yourself.

Yeah, like we haven't heard that claptrap before.

I lost interest at BTW because of your lack of intellect. If Wash O'Hanley won't debate, then he is either a coward or a really busy man.

Just because you're being obstinate and impatient does not make us stupid, buttercup!

Wash O'Hanley is a busy man. What's your problem, you can't conceive of being away from the internet for a day or two?

It is interesting. You liken God to a dream. Perceiving and creating at the same time, but you True Christians ™ are so against dreams. Explain your own contradictions.

Just because you dress something up in some pseudo-flowery language doesn't mean you have anything to say. Nobody here likens God to a dream, we all accept His reality totally and literally.

I am assuming direct control.

I'll remind you once again that we are blessed by your persecution.

"Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you." Matthew 5:10-12

[WinnerNotSinner]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

1) It's True Christian ™, not good christian. Even you should know that.

Yes, you obviously know more about Christianity than I do.

True Christian™, good Christian, Bible following Christian, or just simply "Christian"; they all mean the same thing in my eyes. Anyone who doesn't follow the whole Bible is NOT a Christian.
Matthew 4:4 Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

2) Your church has been hostile (in terms of your words) to almost every form of life out there. You constantly are creating a shield around yourselves to repel others ideas yet you question why they have not joined your cause. Perhaps it is your hostile appearance. Your intolerance. Your views that you are supreme and that all other life is below your stature. I cannot believe that you haven't understood why there are so many people who hate you. It is because of your overly defensive state. You attack others and then you ponder why they hate you.
Maybe if you embraced them, they would repent.

Do you think by embracing sinners and accepting them as they are is a good way to make them change their ways? We don't attack people, we simply try and save them from condemning themselves to Hell. We try and break the hold Satan has over them. We try to drive the devil out of their heart through their rectum. We try to fill them with the Holy Spirit, so that one day, just maybe, they will give their life over to Jesus and they can be Saved© like us. It matters not to us whether people hate us, GOD is always one step ahead.

1 John 3
13Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

[Beyondthesmegma]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

That's funny, I lost interest at the first line of your post! You don't know anything about what makes a good Christian™, but that hasn't stopped you pretending you do.

Should we embrace unrepentant sinners with open arms? The answers NO.

If you had lost interest at the first line of my post, you would've stopped reading. But a misguided zealot such as yourself would defend his religion to his final breath. I admire your perseverance despite its uselessness.

1) It's True Christian (TM), not good christian. Even you should know that.
2) Your church has been hostile (in terms of your words) to almost every form of life out there. You constantly are creating a shield around yourselves to repel others ideas yet you question why they have not joined your cause. Perhaps it is your hostile appearance. Your intolerance. Your views that you are supreme and that all other life is below your stature. I cannot believe that you haven't understood why there are so many people who hate you. It is because of your overly defensive state. You attack others and then you ponder why they hate you.

Maybe if you embraced them, they would repent.

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

I lost interest at BTW because of your lack of intellect.

I am sorry, but I don't understand this nigra-talk. What is BTW?

Anyway, you may have lost interest on BTW, but you are very interested about forums and that is nice to see. You have spend now hours here and you are still going through different threads. Good for you, you will learn lot here.

On lack of intelligence. Sure, if it makes you feel better. Trying to put others down is usual defense when you have nothing else to say. You could next blame us for stealing your lunch money. That is usually very effective too.

[WinnerNotSinner]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

Zechariah,
You are a true christian, right? Do you claim responsibility for the hatred you have instilled on other people instead of embracing them with open arms like a true christian should.

I lost interest at BTW because of your lack of intellect.

That's funny, I lost interest at the first line of your post! You don't know anything about what makes a good Christian™, but that hasn't stopped you pretending you do.

Should we embrace unrepentant sinners with open arms? The answers NO.

[Beyondthesmegma]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

I don't know the answers to all of the paradoxes that you have mentioned, but I'm pretty sure that Stephen Hawking is a more reliable source than you are: Hawking Says Universe Created Itself.

This doesn't make it true, but it does contradict your statement.

The answer is that God created the universe. God has always existed; He doesn't need some mama-god to make him.

BTW, I have a question for you: Do you think you could be a little more responsible with your question marks? In the United States we use them to indicate that a sentence is now a question.

I lost interest at BTW because of your lack of intellect. If Wash O'Hanley won't debate, then he is either a coward or a really busy man.

It is interesting. You liken God to a dream. Perceiving and creating at the same time, but you True Christians (TM) are so against dreams. Explain your own contradictions.

I am assuming direct control.

[Nobar King]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

Answer this: What created God. Something cannot create itself.

I don't know the answers to all of the paradoxes that you have mentioned, but I'm pretty sure that Stephen Hawking is a more reliable source than you are: Hawking Says Universe Created Itself.

This doesn't make it true, but it does contradict your statement.

The answer is that God created the universe. God has always existed; He doesn't need some mama-god to make him.

BTW, I have a question for you: Do you think you could be a little more responsible with your question marks? In the United States we use them to indicate that a sentence is now a question.

[Beyondthesmegma]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

You'd better watch your mouth, boy. Sister Lycia is a True Christian™ and you will give her all the respect that involves or you will be thrown out on your heathen hindquarters.



And you are lying when you say that you and Brother Wash see eye to eye religiously. From your intro thread:

"My name is Louis. I don't attend church. I am interested in learning about your religion because I am thinking about converting to Christianity. I have not read the entire Bible yet, but I am getting close to finishing."

Z. Smyth

Zechariah,
You are a true christian, right? Do you claim responsibility for the hatred you have instilled on other people instead of embracing them with open arms like a true christian should. Do you understand the contradictions in scriptures in the Bible? How do you explain the problem of evil? Why is God so afraid, so enigmatic? If he is all powerful, don't you think he would do a better job of revealing himself? Such a God would do a much better job of gathering believers. Hell too. Eternal damnation for actions committed in a finite existence contradicts God's omnibenevolence and omnipresence.

Answer this, if you can: Could God, since he is all powerful, create a being more powerful than himself?

Answer this, if you can: The argument from free will contests the existence of an omniscient god who has free will — or has allotted the same freedom to his creations — by arguing that the two properties are contradictory. According to the argument, if God already knows the future, then humanity is destined to corroborate with his knowledge of the future and not have true free will to deviate from it. Therefore our free will contradicts an omniscient god. Another argument attacks the existence of an omniscient god who has free will directly in arguing that the will of God himself would be bound to follow whatever God foreknows himself doing throughout eternity. Is this not true?

Answer this: What created God. Something cannot create itself.

I am disappointed. God hasn't helped you passionate believers. Every time you pray for something, do you see visible help from Him?

Sometimes I wonder how you can be so passionate about something as enigmatic and cowardly as God. How can you?

I believe in the right to freedom of religion, but I will fight you when you violate mine.

I never forgive. I never forget. Prepare yourself.

[James Hutchins]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor immediately if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

You were a prostitute. Guess what, you're going to hell. I'm asking Wash to keep the topic strictly political since we see EYE TO EYE religiously.

If you saw eye to eye with Wash O'Hanley on the subject of religion, you would also know that the Republican platform is the most direct route to implementing True Christian(tm) theocracy in the United States. In short, our politics are derived from our religion. You cannot have one without the other, unless you are a sissy, namby pamby, false Christian, or a RINO. In your case, I'm betting you are a sissy namby pamby liberal false Christian who worships homosexuals and hates the white race. Am I right?

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

You were a prostitute. Guess what, you're going to hell. I'm asking Wash to keep the topic strictly political since we see EYE TO EYE religiously.

You'd better watch your mouth, boy. Sister Lycia is a True Christian™ and you will give her all the respect that involves or you will be thrown out on your heathen hindquarters.



And you are lying when you say that you and Brother Wash see eye to eye religiously. From your intro thread:

"My name is Louis. I don't attend church. I am interested in learning about your religion because I am thinking about converting to Christianity. I have not read the entire Bible yet, but I am getting close to finishing."

Z. Smyth

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

You were a prostitute. Guess what, you're going to hell. I'm asking Wash to keep the topic strictly political since we see EYE TO EYE religiously.

If you saw eye to eye religiously with Wash O'Hanley (or any other True Christian(tm), for that matter), you would know that ex-prostitutes are not barred from Heaven. The only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Ghost.

"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men." Matthew 12:31

In fact, Jesus specifically says that the repentant harlots and the publicans will go into Heaven before the priests and elders who refused to accept Jesus's divinity.

"Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you. For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him." Matthew 21:31-32

Tell me, why are you here? I'm getting the feeling it's just to persecute us. I'll remind you that we're blessed because of that.

"Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you." Matthew 5:10-12

[Beyondthesmegma]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

You need to learn how to crawl before trying to run, buddy.

Now how about we talk about your eternal Salvation. Is there anything you'd like to discuss about True Christianity™? Any scripture you have questions about? What can we do to open your heart to the Holy Spirit today?

You were a prostitute. Guess what, you're going to hell. I'm asking Wash to keep the topic strictly political since we see EYE TO EYE religiously.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

You need to learn how to crawl before trying to run, buddy.

Now how about we talk about your eternal Salvation. Is there anything you'd like to discuss about True Christianity(tm)? Any scripture you have questions about? What can we do to open your heart to the Holy Spirit today?