Introducing: Atheist Interloper

[Atheist Interloper]

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NA

Greetings, my fellow human beings. I am a secular humanist. This means I believe that human beings are the source of value, not divine commandments.

The above is one of my favorite Bible verses at the moment, since it reveals the hypocrisy of some religious people. (I do not use the King James Version, rather, I use newer versions of the Bible. While I am not sufficiently informed to declare which version of the Bible is the most accurate, I do know that versions more recent than the King James were translated with superior, modern scholarship. We know more about Greek and Hebrew today than did the translators in King James' society.)

I do not believe in any gods. Note that this is not the same thing as saying that I believe there are no gods. Both are atheistic positions. To be considered an atheist, one must hold at least one of these propositions. I happen to hold both of them. While I cannot prove that each and every god worshiped throughout human history does not exist, I can say with confidence that none of them are in fact gods, because none of them are anything greater than my equal.

Atheism is not something that one joins. Rather, if you lack a belief in gods of any kind, you are an atheist, like it or not. This means that those claiming to be agnostics are atheists who are just uncomfortable with the title.

I hope, but do not expect, that I will be received and respected as a human being. I am aware that only the saved are welcome on this forum. For that reason I have named myself Atheist Interloper. Perhaps we shall still find some common ground, though I admit that I do not plan on seeking it out. I hope that "True Christians(tm)", Forum Members, and "Unsaved Trash" alike will benefit somewhat from my input. Also, I hope to learn from what I read.

Thank you for taking the time to read this introduction.

[Born Again Bob]

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Dear Friend,

I do not believe in any gods. Note that this is not the same thing as saying that I believe there are no gods.

Of course not! Who would make the silly mistake of thinking those were the same thing?

Yours in Him,
BAB

[BelieverInGod]

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NA? New age Bible?

We're a KJV only church here.

3And it shall come to pass, that when any shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother that begat him shall say unto him, Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of the LORD: and his father and his mother that begat him shall thrust him through when he prophesieth.

So tell me, if you don't believe in God, why do you quote his word? Why do you come to a Christian site? The spirit is telling me that you are an angsty teenager who really does believe in God, but out of teenage anger/rebellion you claim to be an atheist to upset "the establishment".

A lot of kids go through that, but considering that accidents are the #1 cause of death for teenagers, don't you think it would be safer to be right with God?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NA

Greetings, my fellow human beings. I am a secular humanist. This means I believe that human beings are the source of value, not divine commandments.

And so why are you joining a Christian church's discussion forum? Do you see Landover's Christians joining your furry porn chat sites to harangue you?

The above is one of my favorite Bible verses at the moment, since it reveals the hypocrisy of some religious people.

Do tell, how does it "reveal hypocrisy"?

Please explain. I suspect you do not know the meaning of "hypocrisy".

(I do not use the King James Version, rather, I use newer versions of the Bible. While I am not sufficiently informed to declare which version of the Bible is the most accurate, I do know that versions more recent than the King James were translated with superior, modern scholarship. We know more about Greek and Hebrew today than did the translators in King James' society.)

In other words, you know nothing about the Bible.

The King James Bible is translated from the Textus Receptus, which is the Hebrew and Greek text, using direct translation. In other words, the translators figured out what each word meant.

Nearly all other versions are translated from the Latin Vulgate -- the Roman Catholic Cult's fake Bible, in LATIN -- using "dynamic translation", in which the translator takes a guess at what the words are supposed to mean, and says that, instead of what the words actually say.

Maybe, just maybe, you should learn something (say, ANYTHING) about a subject before forming an opinion on it and spouting your ignorance in public. What do you think? Worth a shot?

Atheism is not something that one joins. Rather, if you lack a belief in gods of any kind, you are an atheist, like it or not. This means that those claiming to be agnostics are atheists who are just uncomfortable with the title.

You'd do better if you understood the etymology of "atheist" and "agnostic", and then joined some atheist forum and explained it to people who are ignorant of the terms and who actually care.

Both atheists and agnostics are not Christians, therefore they are doomed to an eternity being tortured alive by God in His Lake of Fire. Alongside you, if you continue to choose to deny God.

God doesn't care if you don't believe gods exist, or if you don't believe humans can know the nature of God. Either way, not Christian = not Saved. Not Saved = fuel for God's Fire.

I hope, but do not expect, that I will be received and respected as a human being. I am aware that only the saved are welcome on this forum. For that reason I have named myself Atheist Interloper. Perhaps we shall still find some common ground, though I admit that I do not plan on seeking it out. I hope that "True Christians™", Forum Members, and "Unsaved Trash" alike will benefit somewhat from my input. Also, I hope to learn from what I read.

Thank you for taking the time to read this introduction.

You're welcome. I hope you will learn a thing or two about Jesus, and decide that you don't really want to spend eternity in Hell just so you can be "cool" and "hip" by pretending God isn't real.

[Atheist Interloper]

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Dear Friend,



Of course not! Who would make the silly mistake of thinking those were the same thing?

Yours in Him,
BAB

Thank you for responding BAB. I'll admit your sarcasm was almost lost on me.

[Atheist Interloper]

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NA? New age Bible?

We're a KJV only church here.

3And it shall come to pass, that when any shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother that begat him shall say unto him, Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of the LORD: and his father and his mother that begat him shall thrust him through when he prophesieth.

So tell me, if you don't believe in God, why do you quote his word? Why do you come to a Christian site? The spirit is telling me that you are an angsty teenager who really does believe in God, but out of teenage anger/rebellion you claim to be an atheist to upset "the establishment".

A lot of kids go through that, but considering that accidents are the #1 cause of death for teenagers, don't you think it would be safer to be right with God?

I'm not even sure what translation I used, but if it was translated by post-Enlightenment scholars it is probably more accurate than the KJV.

I quoted "God's word" or "The Bible" as I prefer to call it, because I was instructed to at the top of the screen. I go into further detail about my reasons for favoring that passage in the OP.

I came to a Christian site because I wanted to reach out and help people who are beginning to doubt their faith, but don't have access to much information. I also want to help the people who come to this website to troll by providing information about secular humanism and demonstrating some fundamental logic, as many of them are in equally dire need.

When you say "the spirit" talks to you, what is that like? Does it resemble having an intuition in any way?

I am flattered that you suspect I am a teenager. Unfortunately, I am now stretching the definition of young adult.

I did not know that about accidents. I wonder, what does that have to do with God? Are you suggesting that God causes these accidents? If so, why are they called "accidents"?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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I did not know that about accidents. I wonder, what does that have to do with God? Are you suggesting that God causes these accidents? If so, why are they called "accidents"?

She suggested no such thing. If you die from an accident, you will no longer have a chance to repent. Therefore, being an angsty tween, for whom accidents are the leading cause of death, you would do well to be right with God at all times.

Meanwhile, God is omniscient and omnipotent. Nothing happens that He did not cause OR PERMIT.

An accident may well be an accident, but if it happens, it does because God has chosen to allow it.

[Atheist Interloper]

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And so why are you joining a Christian church's discussion forum? Do you see Landover's Christians joining your furry porn chat sites to harangue you?

What gave you the impression that I am a furry? Was it the Holy Spirit?

Do tell, how does it "reveal hypocrisy"?

Many Christians are in the business of predicting the Rapture. This is a violation of the scripture I posted, punishable by death.

In other words, you know nothing about the Bible.

The King James Bible is translated from the Textus Receptus, which is the Hebrew and Greek text, using direct translation. In other words, the translators figured out what each word meant.

Nearly all other versions are translated from the Latin Vulgate -- the Roman Catholic Cult's fake Bible, in LATIN -- using "dynamic translation", in which the translator takes a guess at what the words are supposed to mean, and says that, instead of what the words actually say.

Maybe, just maybe, you should learn something (say, ANYTHING) about a subject before forming an opinion on it and spouting your ignorance in public. What do you think? Worth a shot?

You probably know better than I, Reverend. I am willing to concede that I am not 100% sure which translation is the best. I think I stated as much already, using the word "probably" in the appropriate place. Perhaps I will look into the matter further and I can join you in a discussion.

You'd do better if you understood the etymology of "atheist" and "agnostic", and then joined some atheist forum and explained it to people who are ignorant of the terms and who actually care.

An agnostic either doesn't know if there is a god, or believes that the existence of gods is unknowable. Either way, he or she lacks a belief in gods. There is more than one definition of atheist. One of them includes all people who lack a belief in gods; the other one includes only those who believe there are none. The former definition includes all people who call themselves atheists, whereas the latter definition includes only some. Therefore the definition I used is superior.

Knowing the etymology of a word does not change its true meaning.

Both atheists and agnostics are not Christians, therefore they are doomed to an eternity being tortured alive by God in His Lake of Fire. Alongside you, if you continue to choose to deny God.

God doesn't care if you don't believe gods exist, or if you don't believe humans can know the nature of God. Either way, not Christian = not Saved. Not Saved = fuel for God's Fire.

I am familiar with this legend. I wonder why you believe it.

You're welcome. I hope you will learn a thing or two about Jesus, and decide that you don't really want to spend eternity in Hell just so you can be "cool" and "hip" by pretending God isn't real.

I am flattered that you think it is cool to be an atheist. In truth, we are the least trusted minority in the United States.

[Atheist Interloper]

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She suggested no such thing. If you die from an accident, you will no longer have a chance to repent. Therefore, being an angsty tween, for whom accidents are the leading cause of death, you would do well to be right with God at all times.

That is why I asked. Still, I would rather hear her explain her own meaning, if you don't mind.

Meanwhile, God is omniscient and omnipotent. Nothing happens that He did not cause OR PERMIT.

An accident may well be an accident, but if it happens, it does because God has chosen to allow it.

I see that you believe God is omnipotent. If God is omnipotent then there is little practical difference between him causing something and allowing it. Neither should require any effort at all on his part. Everything that happens is still his will, in this case. What is the difference, in your opinion, between an omnipotent beings causing something to occur, and allowing the same thing to occur? If it wasn't going to happen on its own, wouldn't he have then chosen to cause it instead, since he is omnipotent?

[Zechariah Smyth]

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That is why I asked. Still, I would rather hear her explain her own meaning, if you don't mind.



I see that you believe God is omnipotent. If God is omnipotent then there is little practical difference between him causing something and allowing it. Neither should require any effort at all on his part. Everything that happens is still his will, in this case. What is the difference, in your opinion, between an omnipotent beings causing something to occur, and allowing the same thing to occur? If it wasn't going to happen on its own, wouldn't he have then chosen to cause it instead, since he is omnipotent?

That's just retarded. Remember how God created everything, way back when? What did He do right after that?

(Genesis 2:2-3) "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."

This is from the VERY FIRST BOOK in the Bible. I'm not sure if these newer "bibles" even contain Genesis, but my suggestion to you is to throw your current "bible" away and get a proper KJV.

YiC,

Z. Smyth

[Atheist Interloper]

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That's just retarded. Remember how God created everything, way back when? What did He do right after that?

(Genesis 2:2-3) "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."

This is from the VERY FIRST BOOK in the Bible. I'm not sure if these newer "bibles" even contain Genesis, but my suggestion to you is to throw your current "bible" away and get a proper KJV.

YiC,

Z. Smyth

Yes, I'm familiar with this passage, but Reverend Rodimer claimed that God is omnipotent. Rather unscriptural, don't you think?

[Zechariah Smyth]

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Yes, I'm familiar with this passage, but Reverend Rodimer claimed that God is omnipotent. Rather unscriptural, don't you think?

What does omnipotence have to do with taking a rest? Good grief, you ragheads are as thick as the body panels of a '62 Lincoln Continental.

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[Atheist Interloper]

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What does omnipotence have to do with taking a rest? Good grief, you ragheads are as thick as the body panels of a '62 Lincoln Continental.

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

I take it you are unfamiliar with the image of Muhammed controversially portrayed in Denmark, which I have chosen as my avatar. If I were a "raghead", I would probably not wish to use an image of Mohammed as my avatar, least of all the one I have chosen.

In any case, I do not wear a turban, or a rag of any kind, on my head.

Aside from that, omnipotent means all powerful. Thus, if God were all powerful, he would not need to take a rest from any labors. In fact, the exercise of his power would not even involve labor.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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What gave you the impression that I am a furry? Was it the Holy Spirit?

No. It was your rejection of all that is holy and good.

Many Christians are in the business of predicting the Rapture. This is a violation of the scripture I posted, punishable by death.

No, cherry-picker, it is not. That Scripture is part of a prophecy itself; it is not a command.

Zechariah 12


1The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
2Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
3And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
4In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.
5And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the LORD of hosts their God.
6In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.
7The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.
8In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.
9And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
10And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
11In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.
12And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;
13The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart; 14All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.


Zechariah 13


1In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
2And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.
3And it shall come to pass, that when any shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother that begat him shall say unto him, Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of the LORD: and his father and his mother that begat him shall thrust him through when he prophesieth.
4And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive:
5But he shall say, I am no prophet, I am an husbandman; for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.
6And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
7Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
8And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. 9And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

However, as a Postmillenialist, I am a Christian Reconstructionist. The Rapture is not something my congregation anticipates, as the predictions of Revelation were fulfilled in 70 AD with the destruction of the Temple and sack of Jerusalem.

Here's a link for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmillennialism

Landover is, to my knowledge, mixed when it comes to eschatological view. They do agree with me and my congregation that Harold Camping is a nutjob.

Knowing the etymology of a word does not change its true meaning.

An agnostic does not believe we can know God. That is its true meaning, the antonym of "gnostic". Many atheists use it incorrectly, meaning, "Gee, I dunno, I'm not sure, or I'm afraid to actually say what I believe."

I am familiar with this legend. I wonder why you believe it.

Oh, good. You're familiar with basic Christian doctrine. I believe it because it is God's Truth.

I am flattered that you think it is cool to be an atheist. In truth, we are the least trusted minority in the United States.

That's because you have no moral compass without God to guide you. If you can get away with something, you believe you won't have to answer to Him, so you are devious and untrustworthy. That's why Americans would rather have a sodomite in the White House than one of you God-mockers.

I see that you believe God is omnipotent. If God is omnipotent then there is little practical difference between him causing something and allowing it.

Agreed. That's why everything is clearly God's Will.

Aside from that, omnipotent means all powerful. Thus, if God were all powerful, he would not need to take a rest from any labors. In fact, the exercise of his power would not even involve labor.

Being all-powerful does not mean one cannot choose not to act.

[Zechariah Smyth]

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I take it you are unfamiliar with the image of Muhammed controversially portrayed in Denmark, which I have chosen as my avatar. If I were a "raghead", I would probably not wish to use an image of Mohammed as my avatar, least of all the one I have chosen.

In any case, I do not wear a turban, or a rag of any kind, on my head.

Aside from that, omnipotent means all powerful. Thus, if God were all powerful, he would not need to take a rest from any labors. In fact, the exercise of his power would not even involve labor.

Are you questioning the Bible, boy? Be careful how you answer.



(Hebrews 4:12) "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

YiC,

Z. Smyth