[Richard "Why" Mayweather]

Re: Hello

Ask a physics professer about this, I'm done. Good luck in school.

Nothing in this Universe works against the laws of physics. The interesting bit is, that we haven't discovered them all yet. If something behaves differently than we would expect it, it is still following the laws of physics, just not the ones we are aware of.

Also... I feel as though this thread has gone off-topic AGAIN. I really do want to be a Godly engineer, but from what I have read (here and in the Bible) I can find no Godly substitute for things such as physics and mathematics. As far as I can tell, the only difference between science and Godly science is the Godly science has the phrase "oh, and God makes it happen" stamped onto the end. If anyone could help me in my quest for a real, practical substitute for science then I would gladly accept and move on.

[DDM1985]

Re: Hello

I understood perfectly what you said. Now you're "I know what I said was wrong, but what I really meant was..."

WRONG. That aircraft has NO SOLAR CELLS and NO BATTERIES. Google "Gossamer Albatross" for enlightenment.

Which ISN'T what you originally said. It could as easily be a rocket engine providing the thrust, which has no blades.

No. Your claim was that if the aircraft isn't moving, then there's no lift, which I disproved.

STOP MOVING THE GOALPOSTS, WOULDYA?

The point of my earlier post wasn't to prove you wrong, by the way. It was to show you the dangers of making absolute statements (ie. "A" is ALWAYS true), especially when you don't have the facts and education to back them up. Like with Bernoulli's "Law", which works great UNTIL you have compressibility effects enter the picture (for aircraft, roughly Mach 0.7 / ~500 mph), then that plane you just designed falls out of the sky for no apparent reason.

Ask a physics professer about this, I'm done. Good luck in school.

If I can interject...

A common reply to the answer that there are no absolutes, is that such a statement is self-contradictory, because it relies on the absolute that there are no absolutes... that there will always be at least one thing God has made, which does not have an absolute to itself. I tend to think that, on some level or other, there still is an absolute. For example:

A is always true, except in case B.

A is always true in case B, except in case B-1.

A is always true in case B-1, except in case B-1-A.

See where I'm going with this? No matter how closely you zoom in, there will eventually be an absolute... even if it's absolute only for that one time, in that one circumstance, for that one person or thing. Otherwise, we'd be living in infinite universes, experiencing all of time and space at the same time, and there'd be no stability. God didn't make a universe like that, in which everything is a constantly-changing illusion. (I realize that you apparently don't believe in God, but this post is coming from me, after all...).

[Didymus Much]

Re: Hello

You don't seem to understand what I said, so I shall now disprove you again...

I understood perfectly what you said. Now you're "I know what I said was wrong, but what I really meant was..."

Rule one: The airplane in question uses sunlight as fuel, without sunlight it would cease to function and would rely solely on its batteries (which, by the way, are charges/fueled by solar power)...

WRONG. That aircraft has NO SOLAR CELLS and NO BATTERIES. Google "Gossamer Albatross" for enlightenment.

Rule two: Within the engine of this aircraft are shaped blades which move at tremendous velocity to expel hot gasses and produce thrust...

Which ISN'T what you originally said. It could as easily be a rocket engine providing the thrust, which has no blades.

Rule Three: See above about the tremendous VELOCITY. If the engine blades weren't moving then the aircraft would go nowhere...

No. Your claim was that if the aircraft isn't moving, then there's no lift, which I disproved.

Oh, and by the by, the zeppelin in the photo carries fuel for its engines, curves blades on its engines to propel it, and it only moves forward when they are moving.

STOP MOVING THE GOALPOSTS, WOULDYA?

The point of my earlier post wasn't to prove you wrong, by the way. It was to show you the dangers of making absolute statements (ie. "A" is ALWAYS true), especially when you don't have the facts and education to back them up. Like with Bernoulli's "Law", which works great UNTIL you have compressibility effects enter the picture (for aircraft, roughly Mach 0.7 / ~500 mph), then that plane you just designed falls out of the sky for no apparent reason.

...The same laws of physics apply to everything. Period.

Ask a physics professer about this, I'm done. Good luck in school.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Hello

Welcome Dick, to our friendly forum where God is always right.

[RevDrJack]

Re: Hello

You're probably the most helpful person I've heard from on this thread. Instead of answering my questions the others still spouting random things and tried desperately to make sense. You, on the other hand, have concise, friendly, and not condescending. Good job

Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. Read the Holy Bible KJV 1611, and stop spewing this nonsense about science.

YIC

[Richard "Why" Mayweather]

Re: Hello

Your questions about flight can be answered on the first page of the Holy Bible. God clearly made the first aerofoil and called it a wing and attached this wing to a bird so the bird could fly. Man studied God's winged birds and decided to make their own wing and called it an aerofoil.

Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

PRAISE JESUS!
The Holy Bible teaches us the truth about everything. All you have to do is open the Bible and read it.

Yours in Christ,
Jack

You're probably the most helpful person I've heard from on this thread. Instead of answering my questions the others still spouting random things and tried desperately to make sense. You, on the other hand, have concise, friendly, and not condescending. Good job

[RevDrJack]

Re: Hello

You don't seem to understand what I said, so I shall now disprove you again...

Rule one: The airplane in question uses sunlight as fuel, without sunlight it would cease to function and would rely solely on its batteries (which, by the way, are charges/fueled by solar power)...

Rule two: Within the engine of this aircraft are shaped blades which move at tremendous velocity to expel hot gasses and produce thrust...

Rule Three: See above about the tremendous VELOCITY. If the engine blades weren't moving then the aircraft would go nowhere...

Oh, and by the by, the zeppelin in the photo carries fuel for its engines, curves blades on its engines to propel it, and it only moves forward when they are moving. This accounts for the horizontal propulsion. For the vertical propulsion, it changes the density of the interior so that overall it is lighter than air and hence achieves lift this way...

Silly Cranky man, I never said different laws of physics act on different aircraft. I said the mechanics (i.e. the mechanisms which make them work) behind how different aircraft operate are different.

The same laws of physics apply to everything. Period.

Your questions about flight can be answered on the first page of the Holy Bible. God clearly made the first aerofoil and called it a wing and attached this wing to a bird so the bird could fly. Man studied God's winged birds and decided to make their own wing and called it an aerofoil.

Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

PRAISE JESUS!
The Holy Bible teaches us the truth about everything. All you have to do is open the Bible and read it.

Yours in Christ,
Jack

[Richard "Why" Mayweather]

Re: Hello

You don't seem to understand what I said, so I shall now disprove you again...

Rule one: The airplane in question uses sunlight as fuel, without sunlight it would cease to function and would rely solely on its batteries (which, by the way, are charges/fueled by solar power)...

Rule two: Within the engine of this aircraft are shaped blades which move at tremendous velocity to expel hot gasses and produce thrust...

Rule Three: See above about the tremendous VELOCITY. If the engine blades weren't moving then the aircraft would go nowhere...

Oh, and by the by, the zeppelin in the photo carries fuel for its engines, curves blades on its engines to propel it, and it only moves forward when they are moving. This accounts for the horizontal propulsion. For the vertical propulsion, it changes the density of the interior so that overall it is lighter than air and hence achieves lift this way...

Silly Cranky man, I never said different laws of physics act on different aircraft. I said the mechanics (i.e. the mechanisms which make them work) behind how different aircraft operate are different.

The same laws of physics apply to everything. Period.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Hello

I was discussing the mechanics of airplanes, not of rotary type aircraft.

So according to you there are multiple versions of the laws of physics depending on the type of aircraft? I have met many Bible bashing pseudo scientists over the years but not even they believed there are multiple versions of the laws of physics. Amazing how people always succeed in finding new lows to mock God. Multiple versions of the laws of physics would be equally idiotic as multiple versions of God's Holy Bible would be. There is only one set of Godly laws!

Psalm 12:6-7 "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."

[Didymus Much]

Re: Hello

I was discussing the mechanics of airplanes, not of rotary type aircraft.

Moving the goalposts. Moving on...

Your Rule #1

...Also, they also follow the same principles, i.e. needing fuel,...

Your Rule #1 violated:



Your Rule #2:

...using curved wings/blades to produce lift,...

Your Rule #2 violated:



Your Rule #3:

...and they must be moving (what ever the lift causing agent is)...

Your Rule #3 violated:

...You will never see an self propelled aircraft that deviates from these rules. ...

Nope. These don't exist, and never have.

[Richard "Why" Mayweather]

Re: Hello

So according to your scientific "logic" neither a helicopter nor a Harrier are possible?

I was discussing the mechanics of airplanes, not of rotary type aircraft. Also, they also follow the same principles, i.e. needing fuel, using curved wings/blades to produce lift, and they must be moving (what ever the lift causing agent is). You will never see an self propelled aircraft that deviates from these rules.

Once again, you never showed me where you got your equation from.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Hello

That's the reason why an airplane (or lid) can't fly if its not moving fast enough.

So according to your scientific "logic" neither a helicopter nor a Harrier are possible? I assure you with God's intelligent pulling both are very possible.

I know that each are based on different principles, but the equations are exactly the same. All the constants even have the same values (although they go by different names).

Duh! If secular scientists didn't use the same equation as God, theirs wouldn't work! All they did was take God out of the equation.

Also, I'm a bit curious... if the reason why airplanes fly is because God wills it so, then why does every airplane ever created have the same basic design? Furthermore, why have we only been flying for the past 100 years instead of the past 6000?

I don't make it a habit of questioning God's infinite wisdom, but I am sure He had His reasons to give us airplanes when He did. Perhaps He got annoyed of having to smite ships all the time.

[RevDrJack]

Re: Hello

Sorry if I got off-track from my original post...

I want to be a Godly mechanical engineer, and I was seeking the origin of Cranky's equation above.

Also... How else am I to gain the Biblical insight you have if not by asking? (Yes I HAVE read the entire Bible, but I found nothing concerning what I was looking for)

So you were not looking for JESUS? You should have been looking for JESUS in the Bible. You must not have been reading the Holy Bible KJV 1600.

[Richard "Why" Mayweather]

Re: Hello

Sorry if I got off-track from my original post...

I want to be a Godly mechanical engineer, and I was seeking the origin of Cranky's equation above.

Also... How else am I to gain the Biblical insight you have if not by asking? (Yes I HAVE read the entire Bible, but I found nothing concerning what I was looking for)

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hello

Of course God is capable of making airplanes fly. What I'm asking, is why we need things such as fuel, an engine, and proper aerodynamics if God is the only thing required.

No, I think it is more likely that God created the Universe to work like it does. A Universe where airplanes need fuel and pigs don't fly of their own accord.

I feel blessed being able to deliver the Truth of the one True God

You haven't delivered anything here but secular gibberish and defense of atheist scum. All you do is pound your little fists and stomp your little feet and demand that God tell you "why" about everything. You have no Faith at all.

God says folks like you are fools.