Help a Young Member Out

[The Inquisitive One]

Maybe, I am confusing and misinterpreting some of the threads I have read here, but isn't the kingdom of heaven open to anyone who can come to god and find Jesus Christ? I mean, I feel like there is a lot of hate for people who need to be shown the love of Jesus Christ. We see in the bible that Jesus spends a lot of time with the lepers, prostitutes, and sinners so that they could be saved. Yet any sinners today are seeming ignored by Christians and not given the chance to be shown his love. Maybe I have misinterpreted things, but what's your guys' takes?

[Didymus Much]

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...We see in the bible that Jesus spends a lot of time with the lepers, prostitutes, and sinners so that they could be saved...

Wasn't He telling them to STOP being lepers, prostitutes, and sinners?

John 8:11 "She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

...Yet any sinners today are seeming ignored by Christians and not given the chance to be shown His love...

Can you find a sinner on these boards who has not been told to stop sinning? Who is being ignored? Rebukes are handed out quite freely, from what I've seen.

[The Inquisitive One]

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Wasn't He telling them to STOP being lepers, prostitutes, and sinners?

John 8:11 "She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

Can you find a sinner on these boards who has not been told to stop sinning? Who is being ignored? Rebukes are handed out quite freely, from what I've seen.

That makes sense, but why do we show the hate?

Matthew 19:16-19 "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

I agree with you, but shouldn't we show them the love of Jesus in positive actions and encourage them to come to Christ?

[Bob4God]

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Maybe, I am confusing and misinterpreting some of the threads I have read here, but isn't the kingdom of heaven open to anyone who can come to god and find Jesus Christ? I mean, I feel like there is a lot of hate for people who need to be shown the love of Jesus Christ. We see in the bible that Jesus spends a lot of time with the lepers, prostitutes, and sinners so that they could be saved. Yet any sinners today are seeming ignored by Christians and not given the chance to be shown his love. Maybe I have misinterpreted things, but what's your guys' takes?

Thank you for taking time to ask your questions.

The Bible tells us in John 14:6 that JESUS is the only way to get to Heaven.

It doesn't matter if you're female, black, gay, or any other terrible thing. JESUS can forgive you, unless you've blasphemed the Holy Ghost. (Mark 3:29)

The catch is this:

People who refuse to listen to GOD deserve no respect.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. - Psalms 14:1

Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. - 2 Chronicles 15:13

If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. - Malachi 2:2

Let their table become a snare before them: and that which should have been for their welfare, let it become a trap.

Let their eyes be darkened, that they see not; and make their loins continually to shake.

Pour out thine indignation upon them, and let thy wrathful anger take hold of them.

Let their habitation be desolate; and let none dwell in their tents.
For they persecute him whom thou hast smitten; and they talk to the grief of those whom thou hast wounded.

Add iniquity unto their iniquity: and let them not come into thy righteousness.

Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous. - Psalms 69:22-28

Do any of these verses indicate that GOD has anything but suffering in store for those who rebel?

What side are you on?

He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth. - Luke 11:23

We are not ignoring anybody's need for CHRIST.

We are here to bring the Word of GOD to the world, and apparently it is quite offensive to those who figure out that it doesn't say what they thought it said.

[The Inquisitive One]

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Bob4God, that certainly is true and makes sense. Could you refer to my previous post, and address that. I'm quite curious, and you seem like you have the answers.

Also, I'm confused by threads like this one: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=64340

Even though one of the ten commandments is "Thou shalt do no murder"

[Jedediah]

Re: Help a Young Member Out

Maybe, I am confusing and misinterpreting some of the threads I have read here, but isn't the kingdom of heaven open to anyone who can come to god and find Jesus Christ? I mean, I feel like there is a lot of hate for people who need to be shown the love of Jesus Christ. We see in the bible that Jesus spends a lot of time with the lepers, prostitutes, and sinners so that they could be saved. Yet any sinners today are seeming ignored by Christians and not given the chance to be shown his love. Maybe I have misinterpreted things, but what's your guys' takes?

There is no hate here, friend. But it is a sad fact that God simply doesn't want everyone to join us in Heaven. He preordains certain people (like us) to stand among His Elect, while for others, He decides that they should burn in hell for all eternity even before they are born.

John 6:64-65
But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given until him of my Father

II Thessalonians 2:11-13
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

I used to feel sad that God has chosen to preordain so many people to eternal torments, but that quickly passed. If anything, it now serves to remind me how blessed I am to have been chosen from the beginning of time to join Jesus in Heaven, pressed against His bosom, singing praise songs.

Our job here is to serve as a beacon for The Elect. If people come here and don't agree with the doctrine being preached, taken directly from the Holy Bible (KJV 1611), it is only a clear indication that God doesn't want them in Heaven with us.

John 8:47
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

[The Inquisitive One]

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There is no hate here, friend. But it is a sad fact that God simply doesn't want everyone to join us in Heaven. He preordains certain people (like us) to stand among His Elect, while for others, He decides that they should burn in hell for all eternity even before they are born.

John 6:64-65
But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given until him of my Father

II Thessalonians 2:11-13
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

I used to feel sad that God has chosen to preordain so many people to eternal torments, but that quickly passed. If anything, it now serves to remind me how blessed I am to have been chosen from the beginning of time to join Jesus in Heaven, pressed against His bosom, singing praise songs.

Our job here is to serve as a beacon for The Elect. If people come here and don't agree with the doctrine being preached, taken directly from the Holy Bible (KJV 1611), it is only a clear indication that God doesn't want them in Heaven with us.

John 8:47
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Thanks for the reply! Certainly make sense, but about the message you sent me, I was asking a question and was confused. Could you clarify what I asked?

[James Hutchins]

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For starters, you are not a member here, yet, if ever. Just keep that in mind.

Maybe, I am confusing and misinterpreting some of the threads I have read here, but isn't the kingdom of heaven open to anyone who can come to god and find Jesus Christ? I mean, I feel like there is a lot of hate for people who need to be shown the love of Jesus Christ. We see in the bible that Jesus spends a lot of time with the lepers, prostitutes, and sinners so that they could be saved. Yet any sinners today are seeming ignored by Christians and not given the chance to be shown his love. Maybe I have misinterpreted things, but what's your guys' takes?

Yes. You do not 'interpret' the Bible. Do you think you know better than God, who reviewed the work and signed off on it?

Just so you know, we do not hate anyone. We do not murder anyone. We simply follow the Word of God(c). He deliberately made it simple for even little minds to grasp. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

Remember, I care about YOU!
YIC
JH

[The Inquisitive One]

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For starters, you are not a member here, yet, if ever. Just keep that in mind.

I don't understand how being a member here attributes to anything, but ok.

Yes. You do not 'interpret' the Bible. Do you think you know better than God, who reviewed the work and signed off on it?

Just so you know, we do not hate anyone. We do not murder anyone. We simply follow the Word of God©. He deliberately made it simple for even little minds to grasp. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

Remember, I care about YOU!
YIC
JH

I don't believe you interpret the bible, I believe the bible says one thing, does not contradict itself, and is always correct. When I was talking about interpretations I was focused on the threads, not the bible.

[James Hutchins]

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Not a single True Christian(tm) interprets the Bible. We read it and follow it. Simple as that. All interpretations are by God haters and false Christians.

We have no doubt or lack of understanding when it comes to the Bible and God.

[Bob4God]

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Bob4God, that certainly is true and makes sense. Could you refer to my previous post, and address that. I'm quite curious, and you seem like you have the answers.

Also, I'm confused by threads like this one: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=64340

Even though one of the ten commandments is "Thou shalt do no murder"

A lot of newcomers to True Christianity run into this confusion.

The Bible does say we are not to commit murder.

This is not a hard and fast rule.

The Bible is full of instructions for the execution of sinners.

Gays should die (Leviticus 20:13), witches should die (Exodus 22:18), family members who entice you to worship false gods (Deuteronomy 13:10), and even rebellious children should die. (Deuteronomy 21:21)

There are also instances of GOD ordering the extermination of entire tribes, and of course the true stories of GOD wiping out the firstborn of Egypt and flooding the Earth.

A person acting on behalf of GOD to execute an unrepentant is not a murderer.

Is it murder for Officers of the Law to execute a serial killer in the electric chair?

No.

It is justice.

GOD is the ultimate justice giver, and we are His servants.

[The Inquisitive One]

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A lot of newcomers to True Christianity run into this confusion.

The Bible does say we are not to commit murder.

This is not a hard and fast rule.

The Bible is full of instructions for the execution of sinners.

Gays should die (Levicitus 20:13), witches should die (Exodus 22:18), family members who entice you to worship false gods (Deuteronomy 13:10), and even rebellious children should die. (Deuteronomy 21:21)

There are also instances of GOD ordering the extermination of entire tribes, and of course the true stories of GOD wiping out the firstborn of Egypt and flooding the Earth.

A person acting on behalf of GOD to execute an unrepentant is not a murderer.

Is it murder for Officers of the Law to execute a serial killer in the electric chair?

No.

It is justice.

GOD is the ultimate justice giver, and we are His servants.

Thanks, now I think I'm starting to get it. I don't know why people don't say that in the first place!

Not a single True Christian™ interprets the Bible. We read it and follow it. Simple as that. All interpretations are by God haters and false Christians.

We have no doubt or lack of understanding when it comes to the Bible and God.

I just said I don't believe in interpreting the bible, it says one thing, and we follow that.

I don't believe you interpret the bible, I believe the bible says one thing, does not contradict itself, and is always correct. When I was talking about interpretations I was focused on the threads, not the bible.

[Bob4God]

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So we don't have to explain it later, yes we are also allowed to judge others.

It's a simple misunderstanding of words that causes all this confusion.

We have covered all these topics numerous times on our forum.

[James Hutchins]

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It makes me wonder sometimes. There are 3/4 of a million posts on this forum. Based oin shear numbers, a logical God fearing man would have to figure, every question has been asked and aswered a few times already. Yet newcomers never search and act as if they are asking an 'amazing new question' every time. Like seeing a young man eyes widen when his wife produces a son for Jesus. After #2, I just want the woman to get back to her chores.

[Zechariah Smyth]

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I think part of the problem is that most people (me included) were spoon-fed tiny little bite-sized portions of the Bible for most of their lives. To continue the eating analogy, when we finally take a big old bite out of the whole thing, the bones and feathers and fat and entrails and beaks and horns and scales can be quite a shocker (and I am not talking about the filthy hand gesture).

BUT, all of those parts are necessary components of the animals that God has given us dominion over. It would hardly make sense to have a chicken without a beak, or a whale-fish without a skeleton, so why do people (mainly false "christians" with an agenda) think they can omit certain sections of the Bible? I think most people (except catlicks) agree that nothing should be added to the Bible, but subtracting is also specifically forbidden:

(Revelation 22:18-19) "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."



There are many parts of the Bible that are beautiful. There are many parts that are downright scary. Once you come to the realization that BOTH are required to fulfill God's Plan, you will be on The One True Path.

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth