[Good Christian Woman]

Re: Zerashk Guilda

I am a Roman Catholic, and have been since I was like 10.

Get off of these good, Christian forums, you Mary-worshiper.

Also my cousin, yes she is an Atheist but that doesnt matter as she is a great person, is suffering from depression.

She is not a good person, since she has not seen the light of Jesus. No wonder she's depressed.

I am a huge fan of the Beatle's philosophy of "all you need is love". It is so true.

And we'll have none of that secular garbage on here.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Zerashk Guilda

I wanted nice talk, so ill have to settle for attacks on my faith. Whatever, I can deal with that.

"Nice talk" = what exactly? People lying to you and telling you it's OK to be a Catholic instead of a Christian? People telling you what you want to hear?

Truth isn't always what we want to hear, kid.

Yes I am 14, no I am not being disrespectful past what many have been. Compared to many on here I am positively an angel.

Who cares about your comparison to others? Not God. One little bitty sin is enough to earn you an eternity in His Lake of Fire.

So why should we care about how much "better" you are than other unsaved God-mockers?

Did I lie about my age? Well, I guess I did. Is that bad though?

What does the Bible say about lying?

why, other than Jesus himself she is the only one whos body is in heaven with her Spirit.

She's dead, dead, DEAD.

As for your "mediatrix":

1 Timothy 2:5

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

One mediator. Not "one mediator and His dead mommy"!

you know what? i dont have to defend myself or my religion to you. I dont know why i bother. You people obviously will just tear down what i say even if it is right, so I think ill stop now.

If you say something right -- that is, which agrees with GOD'S WORD, not the Pope's lies -- we'll be happy to tell you.

I truly hope that you all let go of your anger, and see Jesus in everyone, like Mother Teresa.[/quote]

Yes, here's all you need to know about your precious "Mother Teresa", a depraved woman who thought inflicting suffering upon the ill was a way to help them closer to her imaginary Queen of Heaven, Mary:

http://www.newstatesman.com/200508220019

The nun adored by the Vatican ran a network of care homes where cruelty and neglect are routine. Donal MacIntyre gained secret access and witnessed at first hand the suffering of "rescued" orphans


The dormitory held about 30 beds rammed in so close that there was hardly a breath of air between the bare metal frames. Apart from shrines and salutations to "Our Great Mother", the white walls were bare. The torch swept across the faces of children sleeping, screaming, laughing and sobbing, finally resting on the hunched figure of a boy in a white vest. Distressed, he rocked back and forth, his ankle tethered to his cot like a goat in a farmyard. This was the Daya Dan orphanage for children aged six months to 12 years, one of Mother Teresa's flagship homes in Kolkata. It was 7.30 in the evening, and outside the monsoon rains fell unremittingly.

Earlier in the day, young international volunteers had giggled as one told how a young boy had peed on her while strapped to a bed. I had already been told of an older disturbed woman tied to a tree at another Missionaries of Charity home. At the orphanage, few of the volunteers batted an eyelid at disabled children being tied up. They were too intoxicated with the myth of Mother Teresa and drunk on their own philanthropy to see that such treatment of children was inhumane and degrading.

...

The most significant challenge to the reputation of Mother Teresa came from Christopher Hitchens in 1995 in his book The Missionary Position. "Only the absence of scrutiny has allowed her to pass unchallenged as a force for pure goodness, and it is high time that this suspension of our critical faculties was itself suspended," he wrote, questioning whether the poor in her homes were denied basic treatment in the belief that suffering brought them closer to God. Hitchens's lonely voice also raised the issue of the order's finances, which in 1995 (and still in July 2005 when we were filming) seemed never to reach Kolkata's poorest.

Even Christopher Hitchens, a God-hating atheist, knows how sick and depraved that evil monster was!

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Zerashk Guilda

This teenager is like all teenagers. They think that their opinion is the best opinion ever and can't handle being told they are just plain wrong. Hence he thinks he knows better than the Bible.

Once you've stopped being spotty and full of the urge to masturbate while dreaming of pop stars you stand a chance of actually realising you are making God up inside your own head so you can kid yourself he doesn't hate you for doing this.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Zerashk Guilda

The assumption of Mary was made an 'infallible truth' (like limbo was before it wasn't). In which year did this happen?


a) 60 AD

b) 126 AD

c) 1950












Answer. c) 1950!

We pronounce, declare, and define it to be a divinely revealed dogma: that the Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory.
Pope Pius XII, Munificentissimus Deus, 1950

[Didymus Much]

Re: Zerashk Guilda

...why, other than Jesus himself she is the only one whos body is in heaven with her Spirit...

...Another Roman myth that is not biblical in nature...

Not only that, it's a bald-faced denial of what's actually in the Bible.

Genesis 5:24 "And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him."

[A Follower]

Re: Zerashk Guilda

I just don't get catholics.

The Bible says:

• Not to pray to anyone but Jesus;
• Not to worship idols;
• Not to wear women's clothing as a man;
• Not to drink wine in church;
• Not to let men have sex with men;
• Not to call anyone Father but God;
• Not to rape;
• Not to put women above men;
• Marry if you wish;
• Confess your sins to God;
• Et cetera;

And then catholics take that list and do the opposite of all those things

Not following God's orders to the letter is sinning. Sinning is what forced God to flood the earth and later to sacrifice His only Son.

Catholics act like internet trolls, doing all that is forbidden just to see if they can get a rise out of God, to see what calamity He is going to inflict upon us next.

I just don't get that, I do not understand how anyone can be so evil and so callous to actually want to see God punish earth once again. How can anyone read the Bible and think that that is a good idea?

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Zerashk Guilda

But then again, this is a forum. Since I am Catholic and you guys apparently hate Catholics or something... Not saying you do but based on my "award" and reactions to catholocism that is why i take out of it.

We don't hate catholics. We merely want to save your souls.

You see the Bible clearly says that a bishop is to be a married man.

1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

You don't follow that. The Apostle Paul warns us that this will happen some day.

1 Timothy 4:1-3 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

And you wonder why it is full of child molesters?

As for Mary, we dont worship her like God. We see her as the intervention to Jesus. Jesus always listened to his mother, respected her, honored her,

Did He?
Here Jesus yells at his mother.

John 2:3-4 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.

Here Jesus ignores his mother and biological siblings (so much for the perpetual virgin myth) in favor of the Apostles.

Matthew 12:47-50 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

why, other than Jesus himself she is the only one whos body is in heaven with her Spirit.

Another Roman myth that is not biblical in nature. Show me the chapter and verse that says this in the Bible and I'll eat a cardinal's hat.

My God bless every aspect of your life. Jesus loves you, God loves you,

Unfortunately, I cannot say the same to you.

2 John 1:9-11 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. (notice no mention of Mary there)

10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

[Bob4God]

Re: Zerashk Guilda

Did I lie about my age? Well, I guess I did. Is that bad though?

Does the Bible seem to suggest it is bad to lie?

As for Mary, we dont worship her like God. We see her as the intervention to Jesus. Jesus always listened to his mother, respected her, honored her, why, other than Jesus himself she is the only one whos body is in heaven with her Spirit. She is Jesus' mother, and we believe that Jesus will listen to her. So if we pray to her, she will tell him and he will do it, because he loves, honors, and respects his mother.

Could you provide us a reference from the Bible that says we need Mary or any other figure to intervene for us with GOD and JESUS?

I can provide a few that say we don't.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. - John 14:6

And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. - Matthew 23:9 (This includes priests and popes.)

And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. - Acts 16:31

Do any of these seem to indicate we need Mary, or any other "saint" to intervene on our behalf? Isn't CHRIST enough?

Jesus says, with the beam analogy, that we cannot judge. It is truly impossible to be free of sin, that is why Christ died for us. We cannot judge because judgement is God's alone. He says so in Romans 12:19.

He says that?

What did He mean when He said, Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

It sounds like He is telling us to proceed after we have repented and been washed clean.

Once we are born again, we are sin free. (Psalm 119:3)

you know what? i dont have to defend myself or my religion to you.

Hey, you joined our forum, not the other way around. You are welcome to leave and never return.

And please, please, please, pray for my cousin.

Here is a prayer for your cousin from the Bible:

Let their table become a snare before them: and that which should have been for their welfare, let it become a trap.

Let their eyes be darkened, that they see not; and make their loins continually to shake.

Pour out thine indignation upon them, and let thy wrathful anger take hold of them.

Let their habitation be desolate; and let none dwell in their tents.

For they persecute him whom thou hast smitten; and they talk to the grief of those whom thou hast wounded.

Add iniquity unto their iniquity: and let them not come into thy righteousness.

Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous. - Psalms 69:22-28

[Zerasshol]

Re: Zerashk Guilda

This is not a rant, but is long. Just be warned.
If you want to bring this up with, contact me at [EMAIL REMOVED]
Please dont spam it though. Only constructive talk about faith

I wanted nice talk, so ill have to settle for attacks on my faith. Whatever, I can deal with that.
Yes I am 14, no I am not being disrespectful past what many have been. Compared to many on here I am positively an angel. NO I am not saying I am one. Do not quote me out of context.

Did I lie about my age? Well, I guess I did. Is that bad though? This is a religious forum. I came here to learn about your religion. Should God be restricted by age? Did not Jesus say that we should all be like children, and be open to god? Thats paraphrasing. The actual quote is Matthew 18:3.

But then again, this is a forum. Since I am Catholic and you guys apparently hate Catholics or something... Not saying you do but based on my "award" and reactions to catholocism that is why i take out of it.

As for Mary, we dont worship her like God. We see her as the intervention to Jesus. Jesus always listened to his mother, respected her, honored her, why, other than Jesus himself she is the only one whos body is in heaven with her Spirit. She is Jesus' mother, and we believe that Jesus will listen to her. So if we pray to her, she will tell him and he will do it, because he loves, honors, and respects his mother.

Jesus says, with the beam analogy, that we cannot judge. It is truly impossible to be free of sin, that is why Christ died for us. We cannot judge because judgement is God's alone. He says so in Romans 12:19.

you know what? i dont have to defend myself or my religion to you. I dont know why i bother. You people obviously will just tear down what i say even if it is right, so I think ill stop now. if you think I am going to hell, great. I dont. I truly hope that you all let go of your anger, and see Jesus in everyone, like Mother Teresa.

My God bless every aspect of your life. Jesus loves you, God loves you, Mary loves you, no matter how filled with anger you may be. Remember that, and may the love of Christ inspire you to draw the children of this world to the cause of Christ. Thanks to all of you who were helpful, though there were few. Signing out for most likely the last time, and sorry for whatever disrespect was in my posts. And please, please, please, pray for my cousin.

YIC
Zerashk

[Bob4God]

Re: Zerashk Guilda

I cannot judge, only the Lord can. So, tell me about what you believe. i am interested. When i said it before (other thread) i guess you guys thought I was kidding.

This is actually a common misconception.

The Bible says that we can judge people all we like, as long as we are not guilty of the same sins.

Here is the verse you've probably heard cited the most against judging others:

Judge not, that ye be not judged. - Matthew 7:1

If you stop reading at the first verse of this chapter, it really sounds like JESUS is telling us not to judge others.

This is what comes next:

2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

What JESUS is saying is that if we are guilty of the same sins we are judging others for, we are hypocrites.

He finishes the point with this:

5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Did you catch the most important part?

FIRST cast out the beam from your own eye, THEN you can judge your brother.

The warning is not against judging others, it is against being a hypocrite.

Often we are commanded to judge others!

Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. - John 7:24

and please explain the point system to me... just so I know

Points affect your reputation around here. You can see whether your rep is positive (green) or negative (red), as portrayed by the meter on the top-right side of your posts.

Negative reputation means you've been bad and infracted for it.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Zerashk Guilda

As for Catholics being "the first Christians", please point out in the Bible where Jesus told Peter to pray to His dead mother instead of to Him.

And while we are at it, Reverend, I would like our popeish friend to tell us what the Bible says about bishops and whether or not they should be married. I would also ask her what the Bible says about a future group of false prophets who would forbid marriage.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Zerashk Guilda

... I came on this site to share religious opinions but all I am getting is anger, and possibly hate, but I cannot read your minds so cannot be sure.
@Jack, youre right. I combined that with 6, as respecting him means following his commands to only worship him, but whatever... I am truly sorry about that.
@Flame thanks for the warm welcome bud. Why is it that Catholics are not Christians? All other churches branched off from the Catholic church, it is the original.

@Jack again I can.
Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto you, That you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hades shall not prevail against it.
Peter was the first Pope. Of the Catholic Church

YIC
Zerashk

No he wasnt. When the church of Rome were given all the power and money they just rewrote their history. What about all the churches that Paul was writing to? Do you think they would have recognised catholic doctrine? Do you think Jesus would have approved of a pope?

YiC

Jack

[Zerasshol]

Re: Zerashk Guilda

"Are You Here for Interfaith Dialog?
If you are a Muslim, Catholic, Pagan, or other non-Christian, and you are here for some interfaith dialog, then this section is for you.

Welcome, friend. If you are here in a spirit of peace and wish to learn more about our religion, and want to teach us more about your religion, then you are welcome here. If you are here because you think we are intolerant of your religion, then please go back and read the previous section.

Keep in mind, however, that most of us are well educated. If your religion has been around for a while and has a large enough following, then it is likely that we have already studied your religion in depth.

Also keep in mind, that our religion tells us that salvation comes only through Jesus Christ, and that if you aren't a Christian, then you will be damned to the fiery pits of Hell for all eternity. We aren't gloating about this. We treat this fact with all of the solemnity that it deserves. We will not give up on you until we have saved you from this fate."

Thats me. Thats why I came here. Interfaith dialogue. And of course my one rant about thinking one of your threads was stupid... but hey thats just one. I cannot judge, only the Lord can. So, tell me about what you believe. i am interested. When i said it before (other thread) i guess you guys thought I was kidding.

and please explain the point system to me... just so I know

[Bob4God]

Re: Zerashk Guilda

I am sorry. What I meant was that obviously God is one of my interests. And of course I use "duh" alot, Im 14.

Oh, you're 14. That explains your rancid attitude towards others, especially your elders.

Do you know what the Bible says about your elders?

Just wondering what is the whole point system? It says i lost 100 each time... what exactly does that mean

If you are losing points, it means you are misbehaving.

In order to stop losing points, you should avoid using mean or sarcastic language, avoid false versions of the Bible (use the KJV only), avoid being a Roman Catholic, and avoid only partial adherence to scripture.

We follow the whole Bible, not just the happy bits.

but yes I agree i guess, it wasnt exactly respectful. I dont really check my posts before posting. Guess im used to having freedom of speech and stuff... Oh well, i was warned.

You need to get into the habit of thinking about what you say before you say it. Your posts here are permanent.

Also, freedom of speech does not apply in privately owned forums, nor does it apply in Heaven.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Zerashk Guilda

I am sorry. What I meant was that obviously God is one of my interests. And of course I use "duh" alot, Im 14.

So you admit that you lied about your age to sign up for a Christian church's discussion forum. What else have you been lying about?

Perhaps being Christian?

Tell me, what is someone who tells lies called?

A liar.

Is lying a sin?

Yes.

So what is a liar?

A sinner.

And what does God do with sinners?

He resurrects them from the dead so He may burn them alive in His Lake of Fire for all eternity.

Guess im used to having freedom of speech and stuff... Oh well, i was warned.

YIC
Zerashk

Freedom of speech?

Freedom of speech (in the United States) means the GOVERNMENT will not restrict your freedom of speech. It does not mean you have the right to join privately-owned websites and yammer like an idiot and not get banned.

Understand the difference?

As for Catholics being "the first Christians", please point out in the Bible where Jesus told Peter to pray to His dead mother instead of to Him.