[Didymus Much]

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I guess the main thing that would seperate us is that I don't consider the Bible as evidence, but just literature.

What better evidence can their be about what is in the Bible than WHAT'S IN THE BIBLE?

I now believe 2x6's have gained the power of speech.

[Noah Sole]

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No I didn't.

I was deliberately being wrong to show this unsaved trash that she would need to know her literature and cite the relevant plays in the same way as the Bible is the only way to be informed about God.

Ah.. A cunning ploy... I wonder if she will fall for it?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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I'm not that much of a book reader, I'd much rather discuss with people. Also, the Bible doesn't tell the whole story, as everyone conceive what's told in it differently.

About the live after death part, I didn't say that was true what I was saying, but just the most logical in my eyes.

Most christians, actually every christian I met tolerates other peoples believes.

Do you know the difference between tolerating and accepting?

I might tolerate a cold drizzle on my neck because I'm outside at a parade. That doesn't mean I enjoy it, or that I encourage it. "Tolerating" means "putting up with".

And secular law requires us to "put up with" the people around us. That doesn't mean we agree with them, it just means we don't execute them.

As for being a book reader, why not look at the links in my signature? One is on this very forum, where you can read a section of the Bible and join discussion about it. The other is written more toward kids and Bible-beginners, and is set in a Sunday school class where the teacher and kids discuss the Bible. (I think they're still in Genesis, though.)

[redhaven]

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Yes, I know the difference between tolerating and accepting, but what I've noticed from this forum is that you're kinda mean towards people who believe differently than you do, e.g. you consider people who just joined here unsaved trash, while you don't even know these people. Who are you to say a person who doesn't believe in the existence of God is unsaved trash and who will burn in hell for all eternity? Is it really that strange for you that there's so much diversity about faith? If God is really out there then why doesn't he show that he's really there, e.g. by a clear sign. It would not only prove that He's there, but it could also greatly support people who already believe in Him, that He's really there to help you.

what I said about the Bible: when I said I don't consider the Bible as evidence, I meant everything what it said doesn't need to be true, e.g. Jesus turned water into wine, walked on water and he even made sure that a handicapped person could walk again. There's no other source except the Bible claiming this.

A lot of you claim that we're all born with an original sin, and that God punishes good people for no reason. That's something extremely hard to for me to accept, if He would really exist and do that, then I'd still choose not to worship Him, as I find it wrong if you would only believe in him to save yourself from going to hell. If God exists, and if He really does punish innocent people and not evil people like Breivik and Robert M, then I can't accept Him as my Lord.

People like Mohandas Gandhi, Mother Theresa and Nelson Mandela were all very good people. I think those people deserve a lot more than most of us do, for example Mandela. I've seen the movie Invictus which is about him, and there was one quote that really touched me and which was the following: I was thinking about how you spend 30 years in a tiny cell, and come out ready to forgive the people who put you there. - Francois Pienaar about Nelson Mandela. In my opinion those people really do have the heart of a God, they help and forgive people no matter how bad they get treated.

[Levi Jones]

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Friend, hell will be filled with good people.

Jesus said that no one can come to God except through Him. You either have to believe it or not.

[redhaven]

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Friend, hell will be filled with good people.

Jesus said that no one can come to God except through Him. You either have to believe it or not.

Father, are you saying that even if a person saves dozens of lives, even of baptists, they'd still go to hell just like Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden? Do you believe that hell is the only place after death were you will go no matter your ethnicity and religion?

[Jack O'fagan]

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Father, are you saying that even if a person saves dozens of lives, even of baptists, they'd still go to hell just like Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden? Do you believe that hell is the only place after death were you will go no matter your ethnicity and religion?

You can spend your life doing work for charity, striving for world peace and helping old ladies cross the road and it will matter not by one jot or tittle! If you reject the offer of salvation through Jesus Christ then you deserve eternal damnation and good riddance.

He temporarily died for you!

Remember also that if Hitler, Hussein or Bin Laden repented and accepted Jesus just before their deaths then they would take their rightful place in heaven.

Luke 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

YIC

Jack

[redhaven]

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He temporarily died for you!

There are no other sources but the Bible claiming that, so I don't consider that to be true.

[Levi Jones]

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Father, are you saying that even if a person saves dozens of lives, even of baptists, they'd still go to hell just like Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden? Do you believe that hell is the only place after death were you will go no matter your ethnicity and religion?

If that person didn't believe that Jesus is the son of God, then yes they would go to hell.

Please see John 3:16-18

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

[redhaven]

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Jack O'fagan, I see that you have a scientist icon. What do you consider a scientist? Can you prove me with solid evidence (without mentioning the Bible) that people who don't believe in God, do go to hell no matter how helpful they've been to humanity?

[Catherine Moore]

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Redhaven dear thats a bit of a silly question.

There's nothing about God, Hell, anything like that ANYWHERE but the Bible. Sure, there are threads on here, books out in bookshops that mention it but they are all secondary sources, without the Bible none of those would exist.

So asking for "solid evidence" of soemthing relating to God without referencing the Bible is just, well, stupid.

It's like saying "Give me solid evidence your name is Catherine Moore without referencing your birth certificate" (not sure if this analogy applies outside the UK.

I can't. Every other form of ID I have has just "copied" the name from my birth certificate. Equally every fact we know about God is known from the Bible so cutting that out of the conversation means there is no conversation.

Do you understand?

[redhaven]

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Redhaven dear thats a bit of a silly question.

There's nothing about God, Hell, anything like that ANYWHERE but the Bible. Sure, there are threads on here, books out in bookshops that mention it but they are all secondary sources, without the Bible none of those would exist.

So asking for "solid evidence" of soemthing relating to God without referencing the Bible is just, well, stupid.

It's like saying "Give me solid evidence your name is Catherine Moore without referencing your birth certificate" (not sure if this analogy applies outside the UK.

I can't. Every other form of ID I have has just "copied" the name from my birth certificate. Equally every fact we know about God is known from the Bible so cutting that out of the conversation means there is no conversation.

Do you understand?

No, as I said multiple times, I don't consider the Bible as evidence. There's nothing proving that the Bible is true.

[Catherine Moore]

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Well, the Bible (the King James Version of 1611 minus the deuterocanonical books, at lest) is the Word of God. God proves that its true, He says so right there in the Bible.

But what you're not understanding is that without the Bible we would know nothing about God. To put it in terms you might understand, you've essentially said "prove to me Darwinian Evolution is true without mentioning anything from Darwin's work". It's a nonsensical thing. Not impossible, simply a random collection of words that just so happen to be a grammatical sentence. Fearless green ideas and suchlike.

[redhaven]

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I also wonder, why are all true christians here republicans? What's wrong with democrats? What do you think of obamacare, and why is it wrong in your eyes?

[Catherine Moore]

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Well, I'm actually from the UK and a female, so I wouldn't understand politics and all that stuff at all.

From what I gather though 2 Thessalonians 3:10 is the answer. Why should decent hard working Americans be forced to pay for scrounging nigras just because the latter have been too lazy to buy medical insurance. What business is it of the goverment how Americans spend their money (so long as taxes are paid). Why should a minority (rich, white, Christians) have to pay to support everyone else - imagine if blacks were being forced to pay to support whites! There would be uproar.

I stress though that I'm just repeating parrot fashion the opinions of those smarter than me here, I'm not really able to engage in a debate. Not that thats a bad thing - this isn't a debate forum. Its for praising God.