[redhaven]

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He temporarily died for you!

There are no other sources but the Bible claiming that, so I don't consider that to be true.

[Jack O'fagan]

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Father, are you saying that even if a person saves dozens of lives, even of baptists, they'd still go to hell just like Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden? Do you believe that hell is the only place after death were you will go no matter your ethnicity and religion?

You can spend your life doing work for charity, striving for world peace and helping old ladies cross the road and it will matter not by one jot or tittle! If you reject the offer of salvation through Jesus Christ then you deserve eternal damnation and good riddance.

He temporarily died for you!

Remember also that if Hitler, Hussein or Bin Laden repented and accepted Jesus just before their deaths then they would take their rightful place in heaven.

Luke 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

YIC

Jack

[redhaven]

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Friend, hell will be filled with good people.

Jesus said that no one can come to God except through Him. You either have to believe it or not.

Father, are you saying that even if a person saves dozens of lives, even of baptists, they'd still go to hell just like Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden? Do you believe that hell is the only place after death were you will go no matter your ethnicity and religion?

[Levi Jones]

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Friend, hell will be filled with good people.

Jesus said that no one can come to God except through Him. You either have to believe it or not.

[redhaven]

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Yes, I know the difference between tolerating and accepting, but what I've noticed from this forum is that you're kinda mean towards people who believe differently than you do, e.g. you consider people who just joined here unsaved trash, while you don't even know these people. Who are you to say a person who doesn't believe in the existence of God is unsaved trash and who will burn in hell for all eternity? Is it really that strange for you that there's so much diversity about faith? If God is really out there then why doesn't he show that he's really there, e.g. by a clear sign. It would not only prove that He's there, but it could also greatly support people who already believe in Him, that He's really there to help you.

what I said about the Bible: when I said I don't consider the Bible as evidence, I meant everything what it said doesn't need to be true, e.g. Jesus turned water into wine, walked on water and he even made sure that a handicapped person could walk again. There's no other source except the Bible claiming this.

A lot of you claim that we're all born with an original sin, and that God punishes good people for no reason. That's something extremely hard to for me to accept, if He would really exist and do that, then I'd still choose not to worship Him, as I find it wrong if you would only believe in him to save yourself from going to hell. If God exists, and if He really does punish innocent people and not evil people like Breivik and Robert M, then I can't accept Him as my Lord.

People like Mohandas Gandhi, Mother Theresa and Nelson Mandela were all very good people. I think those people deserve a lot more than most of us do, for example Mandela. I've seen the movie Invictus which is about him, and there was one quote that really touched me and which was the following: I was thinking about how you spend 30 years in a tiny cell, and come out ready to forgive the people who put you there. - Francois Pienaar about Nelson Mandela. In my opinion those people really do have the heart of a God, they help and forgive people no matter how bad they get treated.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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I'm not that much of a book reader, I'd much rather discuss with people. Also, the Bible doesn't tell the whole story, as everyone conceive what's told in it differently.

About the live after death part, I didn't say that was true what I was saying, but just the most logical in my eyes.

Most christians, actually every christian I met tolerates other peoples believes.

Do you know the difference between tolerating and accepting?

I might tolerate a cold drizzle on my neck because I'm outside at a parade. That doesn't mean I enjoy it, or that I encourage it. "Tolerating" means "putting up with".

And secular law requires us to "put up with" the people around us. That doesn't mean we agree with them, it just means we don't execute them.

As for being a book reader, why not look at the links in my signature? One is on this very forum, where you can read a section of the Bible and join discussion about it. The other is written more toward kids and Bible-beginners, and is set in a Sunday school class where the teacher and kids discuss the Bible. (I think they're still in Genesis, though.)

[Noah Sole]

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No I didn't.

I was deliberately being wrong to show this unsaved trash that she would need to know her literature and cite the relevant plays in the same way as the Bible is the only way to be informed about God.

Ah.. A cunning ploy... I wonder if she will fall for it?

[Didymus Much]

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I guess the main thing that would seperate us is that I don't consider the Bible as evidence, but just literature.

What better evidence can their be about what is in the Bible than WHAT'S IN THE BIBLE?

I now believe 2x6's have gained the power of speech.

[Redeemed Papist]

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I think he meant a fairy king.

No I didn't.

I was deliberately being wrong to show this unsaved trash that she would need to know her literature and cite the relevant plays in the same way as the Bible is the only way to be informed about God.

[Noah Sole]

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So what! If I told you that A Midsummer Night's dream was a tragedy about a Scottish king then what's the most robust way to counter my claim?

I think he meant a fairy king.

[Redeemed Papist]

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I guess the main thing that would seperate us is that I don't consider the Bible as evidence, but just literature.

So what! If I told you that A Midsummer Night's dream was a tragedy about a Scottish king then what's the most robust way to counter my claim?

[redhaven]

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I guess the main thing that would seperate us is that I don't consider the Bible as evidence, but just literature.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Hello

I'm not that much of a book reader, I'd much rather discuss with people. Also, the Bible doesn't tell the whole story, as everyone conceive what's told in it differently.

About the live after death part, I didn't say that was true what I was saying, but just the most logical in my eyes.

Most christians, actually every christian I met tolerates other peoples believes.

How can you know what the Bible means if you ask other people to tell you what is in it? As you say: people can just tell you lies about what Christianity is. Look at the Catholics. Generations of women told lies about this thing called Limbo for unbaptised dead babies to go to. At least we acknowledge that they go to Hell. And that purgatory nonsense.

Oh! That's not in the Bible? What about the seven deadly sins? What? Not in the Bible? But someone told me they were what God said.

Do you see? To truly know when so-called Christians are lying to you about what they believe in and that it's about God you need to understand the Bible.

[redhaven]

Re: Hello

I'm not that much of a book reader, I'd much rather discuss with people. Also, the Bible doesn't tell the whole story, as everyone conceive what's told in it differently.

About the live after death part, I didn't say that was true what I was saying, but just the most logical in my eyes.

Most christians, actually every christian I met tolerates other peoples believes.

[Didymus Much]

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I've read tiny parts of it and heard what's told in it.

DANGER!!! Do NOT accept what other people tell you. Most people will lie, telling you that God loves everyone, or other such bull***t. Read it for yourself. It may change your life.