[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Looks like you have invalidated your own argument. Of course it would be proof, and I agree completely with this post. But it has not happened, and therefore (according to you) God has not changed anything in the Bible, so it was free to be manipulated by man.

Um, no. Therefore, God did not want to change it, and it says what He wants it to say.

Where did I say that God couldn't allow people to see that He changed the Bible? He can allow them to see whatever He likes.


I said, quite clearly, that He knows what it says, and if He wanted it to say something else, He could change it. He hasn't, therefore, it says what He wants it to say.

Very simple. Maybe too complex for you to follow?

[Question.Everything]

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We don't care what they say. They are going to burn in a lake of fire for eternity.

Whatever you say

Muslims "know" that they're right because they follow the Qur'an, which contains the rantings of an epileptic desert nomad who hallucinated visits from the Angel Gabriel and incorporated distorted versions of earlier religions' scriptures. Those rantings, half-remembered by his followers, were later written down in a book. Still later, a power-mad religious leader redacted that book and had all competing editions burned in order to "prove" that he had an accurate record of the revelation.

The muslims probably say something similar. Maybe something along the lines of Jesus being an epileptic having hallucination about speaking to God, mad ramblings, half-remembered scriptures, etc, etc. Now dont act all insulted: it is exactly as you put it, from a different perspective. Regardless of who is right or wrong.

[James Hutchins]

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It is not God or the Bible that interest me, but the people that follow them.

That maks no sense at all. There are hundreds of millions of people who are Christians. Each one different. There is no point and it is impossible to know each and every one. Your only option is to create generalizations from the few you meet. That would be pretty stupid. I suggest you take a moment to reflect on the real reasons you are here.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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The muslims probably say something similar. Maybe something along the lines of Jesus being an epileptic having hallucination about speaking to God, mad ramblings, half-remembered scriptures, etc, etc. Now dont act all insulted: it is exactly as you put it, from a different perspective. Regardless of who is right or wrong.

Um, the Muslims claim Jesus was a great prophet, like MooHamHead. They then claim that the claim to deity was created later by His disciples.

Anyone with the most basic understanding of Islam knows this.

You're just ignorant all around, aren't you?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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The muslims probably say something similar. Maybe something along the lines of Jesus being an epileptic having hallucination about speaking to God, mad ramblings, half-remembered scriptures, etc, etc. Now dont act all insulted: it is exactly as you put it, from a different perspective. Regardless of who is right or wrong.

You might want to read up on Islam if that's what you think. Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet born of a virgin and even call Him by the title al-Masīḥ (an Arabic word cognate to "Messiah").

ETA: Cross-posted with Rev. Rodimer, it appears.

[Question.Everything]

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Um, no. Therefore, God did not want to change it, and it says what He wants it to say.

Where did I say that God couldn't allow people to see that He changed the Bible? He can allow them to see whatever He likes.


I said, quite clearly, that He knows what it says, and if He wanted it to say something else, He could change it. He hasn't, therefore, it says what He wants it to say.

Very simple. Maybe too complex for you to follow?

Oh no! The condescension is killing me! My poor little pea brain is too small to comprehend!

Seriously though, lets have some fun here, and implement a theoretical situation that reflects on the points you were making.

I am God. You don't believe me? I have the power to change any text in in this forum. Therefore I am God. Why haven't I changed any text, you ask? Because I had no need to.

Now you can try to disprove that I am God, but you wont be able to, because it is written in the previous paragraph that I am God.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Oh no! The condescension is killing me! My poor little pea brain is too small to comprehend!

Seriously though, lets have some fun here, and implement a theoretical situation that reflects on the points you were making.

I am God. You don't believe me? I have the power to change any text in in this forum. Therefore I am God. Why haven't I changed any text, you ask? Because I had no need to.

Now you can try to disprove that I am God, but you wont be able to, because it is written in the previous paragraph that I am God.

Gee whiz, I guess you got me there. You're so very clever!

Oh, wait. Your words have no potential to steer people toward or away from an eternity being burned alive in God's Lake of Fire, do they?

So I guess God has no reason to change your words.

Why are you even here, God-mocker? To remove all doubt that you are an ignorant fool?

[Question.Everything]

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That maks no sense at all. There are hundreds of millions of people who are Christians. Each one different. There is no point and it is impossible to know each and every one. Your only option is to create generalizations from the few you meet. That would be pretty stupid. I suggest you take a moment to reflect on the real reasons you are here.

This is true. But aren't the people on this forum the "True Christians(TM)"? So a generalization of Christianity based on this group of people would be perfectly accurate, since all other types of Christians are not "True Christians(TM)"

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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This is true. But aren't the people on this forum the "True Christians™"? So a generalization of Christianity based on this group of people would be perfectly accurate, since all other types of Christians are not "True Christians™"

Why would you "generalize" and play 20 questions with us, when you can simply read the Bible and learn everything we believe for yourself?

[Brother Jared]

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Why would you "generalize" and play 20 questions with us, when you can simply read the Bible and learn everything we believe for yourself?

I think this atheist one is beyond pedagogical reach...

[Question.Everything]

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Why would you "generalize" and play 20 questions with us, when you can simply read the Bible and learn everything we believe for yourself?

Reading the Bible will not tell me what you believe, as everyone interprets the Bible differently.

For example, one of you little medallion things beside you name says you believe that the earth is flat. Do you really believe that? Most Christians believe that it is round.

[Nobar King]

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I was going to write a detailed response to this thread but I thought I'd start with a simple question: Are you sure that you've questioned EVERYTHING? I think you should start with that before you start demanding that others follow your extreme atheist obsession.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Reading the Bible will not tell me what you believe, as everyone interprets the Bible differently.

For example, one of you little medallion things beside you name says you believe that the earth is flat. Do you really believe that? Most Christians believe that it is round.

No, and I've repeatedly asked for that to be removed. My congregation disagrees with Landover on the shape of the earth, and the Scriptural support therefor.

However, reading the Bible will show you God's Commands. Once you understand what God has commanded, you can begin to understand what Christianity is.

[Question.Everything]

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I was going to write a detailed response to this thread but I thought I'd start with a simple question: Are you sure that you've questioned EVERYTHING? I think you should start with that before you start demanding that others follow your extreme atheist obsession.

Of course I havent questioned everything, it is humanly impossible. It is just a saying, and not to be taken literally- much like many things in the Bible.

No, and I've repeatedly asked for that to be removed. My congregation disagrees with Landover on the shape of the earth, and the Scriptural support therefor.

However, reading the Bible will show you God's Commands. Once you understand what God has commanded, you can begin to understand what Christianity is.

Disagreeing with God's Word??? Well it looks as if I'm not the only one here that will be burning in Hell...

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Disagreeing with God's Word??? Well it looks as if I'm not the only one here that will be burning in Hell...

I never said I disagreed with God's Word.

There are very limited points on which Scripture is vague, such as the shape of the Earth. These are not salvation issues.

On salvation issues, my congregation and Landover are in perfect agreement.