Hiya

[TinaSantafe, whore]

I don't think I can be saved. I wanted to see if any of y'all could save me or turn me to Jesus or something. Any takers? Or any other questions y'all got for me?

[Brother Jared]

Re: Hiya

Hello. Tell us what church you go to and what your favorite Bible verse is and how you came to find Jesus.

[TinaSantafe, whore]

Re: Hiya

I'm not really a Christian, or at least I'm not one anymore. I was raised in a Catholic family and I went to Saint Clements church for a few years when I was little. Later on, I started going to a Baptist church and even later than that I went to a couple of non-denominational churches and even tried a Unitarian church. Then I looked at the Bible critically for the first time an realized it's just silly and sometimes dangerous. So now, I guess you could say I'm an open minded agnostic: if God is out there and wants me to believe, God knows exactly what it will take to turn me towards him. The fact that he hasn't convinced me to believe yet leads me to believe it really isn't that important to him.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Hiya

Well, dear, maybe that's your answer.

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Matthew 25:34

Maybe the Good LORD didn't predestine you to inherit the kingdom. Perhaps no amount of begging or pleading will change His divine mind and you'll spend eternity in Hell no matter what you do. It doesn't make sense to our human minds, maybe, but then again, God's ways are higher than ours. (Isaiah 55:9)

[Deaner]

Re: Hiya

Do you have any STD'S?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hiya

I'm not really a Christian, or at least I'm not one anymore. I was raised in a Catholic family and I went to Saint Clements church for a few years when I was little. Later on, I started going to a Baptist church and even later than that I went to a couple of non-denominational churches and even tried a Unitarian church. Then I looked at the Bible critically for the first time an realized it's just silly and sometimes dangerous. So now, I guess you could say I'm an open minded agnostic: if God is out there and wants me to believe, God knows exactly what it will take to turn me towards him. The fact that he hasn't convinced me to believe yet leads me to believe it really isn't that important to him.

This is a Christian forum. Why are you here?

[TinaSantafe, whore]

Re: Hiya

Do you have any STD'S?

Nope, and I get checked every 6 months or so when I go to get my prescriptions refilled.

This is a Christian forum. Why are you here?

I figured if anyone was going to help me find Jesus, it would be the True Christians™ here.

[Steve]

Re: Hiya

I figured if anyone was going to help me find Jesus, it would be the True Christians™ here.

Dear girl, it's easy to find Jesus. He left His instruction manual in the form of the King James Version Bible. Do you have one?

Are there are any specific concerns you have that are keeping you from embracing Christ? Any doubts or misgivings? I'll be happy to answer any questions you have, it's why I'm here.

Ezekiel 33:8-9
When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

You see? If I don't help you, or at least try to, I get tossed into Hell too.

[Jedediah]

Re: Hiya

I don't think I can be saved. I wanted to see if any of y'all could save me or turn me to Jesus or something. Any takers? Or any other questions y'all got for me?

You're probably right about that. God creates many people for the express purpose of eternal condemnation.

As for questions, we really don't care about anything you have to say. As unsaved trash, you are beneath us.

I Corinthians 5:11
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

I'm not really a Christian, or at least I'm not one anymore. I was raised in a Catholic family and I went to Saint Clements church for a few years when I was little. Later on, I started going to a Baptist church and even later than that I went to a couple of non-denominational churches and even tried a Unitarian church. Then I looked at the Bible critically for the first time an realized it's just silly and sometimes dangerous. So now, I guess you could say I'm an open minded agnostic: if God is out there and wants me to believe, God knows exactly what it will take to turn me towards him. The fact that he hasn't convinced me to believe yet leads me to believe it really isn't that important to him.

No, you were never a True Christian™. If the Word of God drives you away, then that is just a clear indication that you have been preordained to spend eternity in hell. We can only lead a horse to water; we can't make you drink.

It's often a surprise to people who falsely call themselves "Christian" but can't be bothered to actually read God's Word that God doesn't love everybody and that He creates most people (Matthew 7:14) simply so that He can damn them to eternity in the lake of fire He created for satan and the demons (Matthew 25:41).

But if you scratch more than skin deep into what we Christians actually believe, you will find that God creates evil (Exodus 4:11, Isaiah 45:7, Amos 3:6) and that He creates wicked children with full intention. Just as I and the rest of Jesus' elect were preordained to Salvation™ from the time before we were born (Romans 9:11), unrepentant sinners like you were born with an entirely different destination in mind.

Psalm 58:3
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Proverbs 16:4
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Jesus didn't come to save everyone; he came to save those predestined to the Glory. If it wasn't given unto you by God the Father, then I'm afraid that there are nothing in the way of comforting words to be found for you in the Holy Bible (KJV 1611)

John 6:64-65
But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

II Thessalonians 2:11-13
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

But look on the bright side. At least you get to serve as a reminder for me and my Brothers and Sisters in Christ of how lucky we are to be destined for Heavenly bliss, pressed against Jesus' bosom, singing praise songs, for all eternity.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hiya

Then I looked at the Bible critically for the first time an realized it's just silly and sometimes dangerous. So now, I guess you could say I'm an open minded agnostic: if God is out there and wants me to believe, God knows exactly what it will take to turn me towards him. The fact that he hasn't convinced me to believe yet leads me to believe it really isn't that important to him.

You just called the Word of God "silly and dangerous", then said you were "open minded".

How exactly do those two go together?

Humans have a little thing called free will. God gave it to us so we could choose to believe in Him or not.

If God popped in to visit every couple of years, and showed us all a vision of Hell, then everybody on Earth would know that if they didn't obey Him, He would burn them alive for all time in His Lake of Fire. Right?

So then everybody would KNOW. Nobody would have to BELIEVE.

That's why God isn't going to appear to you, or do some trick to make you accept the fact that He is real. He only wants those who will believe, those who have faith in Him.

Everyone else will go to Hell for all time.

I suggest you make with the believing, Miss!

[TinaSantafe, whore]

Re: Hiya

You just called the Word of God "silly and dangerous", then said you were "open minded".

How exactly do those two go together?

As of now, it sounds silly and dangerous. However, I'm willing to listen to explanations that people give and if they can make it sound like it makes sense, I'll believe.

Humans have a little thing called free will. God gave it to us so we could choose to believe in Him or not.

If God popped in to visit every couple of years, and showed us all a vision of Hell, then everybody on Earth would know that if they didn't obey Him, He would burn them alive for all time in His Lake of Fire. Right?

So then everybody would KNOW. Nobody would have to BELIEVE.

As for free will, no, that doesn't work. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSZqH0Ms4ds

That's just it. If God is all knowing, he knows exactly what it takes to get you to believe. He also knows exactly what it takes to get me to believe. If not, he is not all knowing.

If God knows what it takes to get me to believe but still chooses to do nothing about it, this means God doesn't care if I believe (which is cool with me). If God can't do whatever it takes to get me to believe, God is not all-powerful.

That's why God isn't going to appear to you, or do some trick to make you accept the fact that He is real. He only wants those who will believe, those who have faith in Him.

Otherwise, that would mean God created me, knowing all along that he's going to spend eternity torturing me. If that's the case, God is the biggest fucking psychopath in history and is in dire need of a damn good therapist.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hiya

That's just it. If God is all knowing, he knows exactly what it takes to get you to believe. He also knows exactly what it takes to get me to believe. If not, he is not all knowing.

If God knows what it takes to get me to believe but still chooses to do nothing about it, this means God doesn't care if I believe (which is cool with me). If God can't do whatever it takes to get me to believe, God is not all-powerful.

That's why God isn't going to appear to you, or do some trick to make you accept the fact that He is real. He only wants those who will believe, those who have faith in Him.

Otherwise, that would mean God created me, knowing all along that he's going to spend eternity torturing me. If that's the case, God is the biggest piffleing psychopath in history and is in dire need of a damn good therapist.

Tina, did you not even read what I wrote? Or did you see "free will" and immediately hit "Reply"?

If God popped in to visit every couple of years, and showed us all a vision of Hell, then everybody on Earth would know that if they didn't obey Him, He would burn them alive for all time in His Lake of Fire. Right?

So then everybody would KNOW. Nobody would have to BELIEVE.

That's why God isn't going to appear to you, or do some trick to make you accept the fact that He is real. He only wants those who will believe, those who have faith in Him.

Showing you "whatever it would take to MAKE you believe", whether that's a vision of Hell or something else, would violate your free will. You would no longer be able to have faith in Him, because you would have knowledge.

Hebrews 11:1, dear. The Biblical definition of faith:

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Faith is your evidence, not parlor tricks.

[TinaSantafe, whore]

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Tina, did you not even read what I wrote? Or did you see "free will" and immediately hit "Reply"?

Showing you "whatever it would take to MAKE you believe", whether that's a vision of Hell or something else, would violate your free will. You would no longer be able to have faith in Him, because you would have knowledge.

Hebrews 11:1, dear. The Biblical definition of faith:

Faith is your evidence, not parlor tricks.

Well, if we're playing that game, fine. My faith is that God is really a 300 pound hedonist homosexual, living in West Hollywood. No, there is no 'reason' behind this belief, it's all based on faith.

Can you prove that's wrong?

Anyway, I'm reviving this. I wanted to know how I got a 'cancer' link on my posts. What is that and how did I earn it?

[Zechariah Smyth]

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Well, if we're playing that game, fine. My faith is that God is really a 300 pound hedonist homosexual, living in West Hollywood. No, there is no 'reason' behind this belief, it's all based on faith.

Can you prove that's wrong?

Anyway, I'm reviving this. I wanted to know how I got a 'cancer' link on my posts. What is that and how did I earn it?

Well then, your faith is about a valuable as a croker sack full of VCRs covered in dog vomit and chocolate sprinkles, since He is never described that way in Scripture.

Nice try, slut.



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Hiya

You just called the Word of God "silly and dangerous", then said you were "open minded".

How exactly do those two go together?

Humans have a little thing called free will. God gave it to us so we could choose to believe in Him or not.

If God popped in to visit every couple of years, and showed us all a vision of Hell, then everybody on Earth would know that if they didn't obey Him, He would burn them alive for all time in His Lake of Fire. Right?

So then everybody would KNOW. Nobody would have to BELIEVE.

That's why God isn't going to appear to you, or do some trick to make you accept the fact that He is real. He only wants those who will believe, those who have faith in Him.

Everyone else will go to Hell for all time.

I suggest you make with the believing, Miss!

That's why Jesus spoke in parables. He didn't want just anyone getting saved.

YIC


Jack