[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


Genesis 3:4-5
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Second, "Ye shall not surely die", he is calling God a liar.
Gen:2:17: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


Also another scripture that shows God speaks only the truth:
Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
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I am saying nothing of the sort, the Bible does not lie and the Bible says God does not lie and is a God of truth. I am simply speaking through the scriptures. Also the scriptures I gave do show God always protects is faithful and those that believe in him.


The serpent in Genesis chapter 3 was Satan. Satan was either appearing as a serpent, possessing the serpent, or deceiving Adam and Eve into believing that it was the serpent who was talking to them. Serpents / snakes do not possess the ability to speak.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

I will have an extra "Thank you Jesus" for God tonight.

Ralph and I had an uneasy feeling about this. We did not know what to do. So we both spent a lot of time praying together, asking for His Divine guidance.
God spoke to us both, telling us to steer clear of this 'female'. He told us 'she' was not as she seemed and could not be trusted. He warned us of impending decit and trickery. He told us her name was not 'Ashley' but really was 'Lilith'.

How does that make any sense? One moment you say "God has spoken to me and told me that you are a decent, loving Christian that just needs a little tenderness and understanding." and the next you say "He told us 'she' was not as she seemed and could not be trusted. He warned us of impending decit and trickery. He told us her name was not 'Ashley' but really was 'Lilith'"

Are you suggesting God changed his mind, or perhaps worse? You cannot at one time say God told you I was good and the next say God told you I am bad, that is a contradiction.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

This says nothing about the Garden. This says "from the beginning", which means the beginning of the devil. You are interpreting.

Genesis 3:4-5
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

And that was true.

Genesis 3:7
7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Second, "Ye shall not surely die", he is calling God a liar.
Gen:2:17: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Adam lived to be 900 years old. He did not die in the day he ate of the Tree. Again, the serpent (whom you still have not shown to be Satan) told the truth.

Also another scripture that shows God speaks only the truth:
Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

But I have shown you where He brags about lying. Are you again suggesting that the Bible contradicts itself?

I am saying nothing of the sort, the Bible does not lie and the Bible says God does not lie and is a God of truth.

It also shows that He deceives people specifically so He can damn them to Hell or destroy them. How do you reconcile this with your assertion that God only tells the truth?

The serpent in Genesis chapter 3 was Satan. Satan was either appearing as a serpent, possessing the serpent, or deceiving Adam and Eve into believing that it was the serpent who was talking to them.

Please provide Scripture to support this assertion.

Please explain how it is that God cursed the serpent to go on his belly and eating the dust of the earth forever, but Satan is never, ever depicted as crawling on his belly, including when he is seen elsewhere in the Bible.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years

This doesn't show that Satan was the serpent in the garden.

Are you sure you're not a Catholic?

[James Hutchins]

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How does that make any sense? One moment you say "God has spoken to me and told me that you are a decent, loving Christian that just needs a little tenderness and understanding." and the next you say "He told us 'she' was not as she seemed and could not be trusted. He warned us of impending decit and trickery. He told us her name was not 'Ashley' but really was 'Lilith'"

Are you suggesting God changed his mind, or perhaps worse? You cannot at one time say God told you I was good and the next say God told you I am bad, that is a contradiction.

Your quandry is not with the Hutchins family, it is with God.

He told us to hear you out, to give you a chance at proving your devotion, just as God does with all of us. Everyone listened to you and God has spoken.

By the way, it was not 'one moment and then the next'. It spanned nearly a week. God created everything in merely six days. So it was a lot of time.

See, this is part of the trickery He is warning us about, 'Lilith'. It breaks my heart I tell you, to see my boy be used like a couple of 'C' batteries. Fortunately, he has gotten over it and returned his focus to God and the family business.

[StarDreamerNight]

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But I have shown you where He brags about lying. Are you again suggesting that the Bible contradicts itself?

It also shows that He deceives people specifically so He can damn them to Hell or destroy them. How do you reconcile this with your assertion that God only tells the truth?

You tell me, we both believe the Bible to be completely and 100% and we both know it is... but how can the Bible say the God both never lies and that he does.
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; Neither the son of man, that he should repent: Hath he said, and shall he not do it? Or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Titus 1:2 in hope of eternal life, which God, who never lies, promised before the ages began
Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Your quandry is not with the Hutchins family, it is with God.
He told us to hear you out, to give you a chance at proving your devotion, just as God does with all of us. Everyone listened to you and God has spoken.
By the way, it was not 'one moment and then the next'. It spanned nearly a week. God created everything in merely six days. So it was a lot of time.
See, this is part of the trickery He is warning us about, 'Lilith'. It breaks my heart I tell you, to see my boy be used like a couple of 'C' batteries. Fortunately, he has gotten over it and returned his focus to God and the family business.

My name is Ashely and I am starting to feel you are not being completely honest. You said that "God has spoken to me and told me that you are a decent, loving Christian that just needs a little tenderness and understanding." Then you suggest with your words that God changed his mind and or made a mistake? I have not used yoru son you have used me, I was willing to consider your son but when I tell you God tells me to wait you turn around and slap me in the face. Are you suggesting I should I have ignored what God told me and his warning to to meet you and are son at this time?
I'm sorry Brother Hutchins but that is just not hwo it works. God's guidance comes first and he will never lead on of his faithful astray. Especially not by telling you at one moment "God has spoken to me and told me that you are a decent, loving Christian that just needs a little tenderness and understanding" and then the next he supposedly says "no nevermind, she is a deciever and her name is Lilith." That is insulting not just to me but to God.

[StarDreamerNight]

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You tell me, we both believe the Bible to be completely and 100% and we both know it is... but how can the Bible say the God both never lies and that he does.
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; Neither the son of man, that he should repent: Hath he said, and shall he not do it? Or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Titus 1:2 in hope of eternal life, which God, who never lies, promised before the ages began
Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.



My name is Ashely and I am starting to feel you are not being completely honest. You said that "God has spoken to me and told me that you are a decent, loving Christian that just needs a little tenderness and understanding." Then you suggest with your words that God changed his mind and or made a mistake? I have not used your son but you have used me, I was willing to consider your son but when I tell you God tells me to wait you turn around and slap me in the face. Are you suggesting I should I have ignored what God told me and his warning not to meet you and are son at this time?
I'm sorry Brother Hutchins but that is just not how it works. God's guidance comes first and he will never lead one of his faithful astray. Especially not by telling you at one moment "God has spoken to me and told me that you are a decent, loving Christian that just needs a little tenderness and understanding" and then the next he supposedly says "no nevermind, she is a deciever and her name is Lilith." That is insulting not just to me but to God.

Yes I know I made typing mistakes I'm upset and forgot to double check

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Yes I know I made typing mistakes I'm upset and forgot to double check

Yes friend, when you are afraid that your dishonesty is being revealed you will make many mistakes, such as the ones you have made.

Friend, Jesus can set you free from the sin that so easily besets you.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

You tell me, we both believe the Bible to be completely and 100% and we both know it is... but how can the Bible say the God both never lies and that he does.

It would appear to say both. However, to whom does He lie? To false prophets and idolators, people whom He already hates. Not to people He loves. Except to Adam and Eve, to protect them from knowing the difference between good and evil. Oh, and the Jews in general, and Jeremiah the prophet.


Jeremiah 4:10
Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace; whereas the sword reacheth unto the soul.

Jeremiah 20:7
O LORD, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived; thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me.

[StarDreamerNight]

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Luke 16:15

And he said unto them, Ye are theywhich justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: forthat which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sightof God.

Psalm 139:13-16
13 For thou hast possessed my reins:thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
14 I will praise thee; for I amfearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that mysoul knoweth right well.
15 My substance was not hid from thee,when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest partsof the earth.
16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yetbeing unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, whichin continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the thoughtsthat I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and notof evil, to give you an expected end.

Ephesians 2:10 For we are hisworkmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hathbefore ordained that we should walk in them.

Luke 12:7 But even the very hairs ofyour head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more valuethan many sparrows.


Hebrews 6:18 That by two immutablethings, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have astrong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon thehope set before us

Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life,which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;


God knows each of us completely andfully, as such why would you suggest he would tell you one thing andthen tell you another then later? At the very least... why would hedeceive his faithful. You call yourself a Truth Christian and yet youhave posted that God told you one thing and then now God tells yousomething completely different.

To false prophets and idolators, people whom He already hates. Not to people He loves.

God would never lie to those that seek him and are his followers, it is the Devil that is the father of lies while the Father is a God of Truth. It is the people deceiving themselves by not understanding God or trusting in his ways, not God lying.

Also if you notice is the other speaking of God, did you not consider in their time of distress they would say God has decieved them when in truth he has not. What matters to me is the Bible says God is not a liar, that it is impossible for him to lie. The Bible says so and so I will believe.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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God would never lie to those that seek him and are his followers, it is the Devil that is the father of lies while the Father is a God of Truth. It is the people deceiving themselves by not understanding God or trusting in his ways, not God lying.

So when God says He will or He has deceived someone, He's not telling the truth?

If you're saying He can't lie, even though He Himself has bragged about doing so, who's right and who's wrong? And is it not blasphemy to attempt to limit God's abilities?

Do tell, where do you think evil comes from? God, or Satan?

[Deaner]

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Please stop your senseless insults please, and you call yourself a True Christian. I am not a slut and my posts show this time and again. I will not ever allow men to do more then give me a hug and kiss my cheek, and as I told you very clearly I will not show myself to any man but my husband. I would first die before breaking the Law of Chastity.

What about a hand-job? Jesus never mentioned that in the Bible.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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What about a hand-job? Jesus never mentioned that in the Bible.

Brother Deaner, I must say you've become far more entertaining (and outgoing) since you switched to faith healing instead of that horrid clonidin/Prozac cocktail they were using for your Tourette's Syndrome!

[Deaner]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Brother Deaner, I must say you've become far more entertaining (and outgoing) since you switched to faith healing instead of that horrid clonidin/Prozac cocktail they were using for your Tourette's Syndrome!

Thank you my brother. All supportive encouragement helps.

[StarDreamerNight]

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So when God says He will or He has deceived someone, He's not telling the truth?

If you're saying He can't lie, even though He Himself has bragged about doing so, who's right and who's wrong? And is it not blasphemy to attempt to limit God's abilities?

Do tell, where do you think evil comes from? God, or Satan?

Hebrews 6:18 That by two immutablethings, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have astrong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon thehope set before us.

So by the word of the Bible it is animmutable truth that it was impossible for God to lie. Sorry but you can't have any stronger wording, as the Bible says it is impossible for God to lie and an immutable truth.
Immutable: meaning not subject orsusceptible to change
Impossible: unable to be done,performed, effected

I am not limiting God's abilities, and thus there is no blasphemy. Are you suggesting the Bible speaks blasphemy to God? Are you suggesting the Bible is false or in error? I would suggest picking your words carefully Rev. M. Rodimer as in this case I am speaking using the Bible and God's Word clearly states that God is not a liar but a God of truth.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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I have not used yoru son you have used me, I was willing to consider your son but when I tell you God tells me to wait you turn around and slap me in the face. Are you suggesting I should I have ignored what God told me and his warning to to meet you and are son at this time?
I'm sorry Brother Hutchins but that is just not hwo it works. God's guidance comes first and he will never lead on of his faithful astray. Especially not by telling you at one moment "God has spoken to me and told me that you are a decent, loving Christian that just needs a little tenderness and understanding" and then the next he supposedly says "no nevermind, she is a deciever and her name is Lilith." That is insulting not just to me but to God.

Ashley, I think you're misunderstanding a few important things here. For one thing, you say God tells you to call off the nuptials with Ralph, but how can that be the message of the LORD when there is no more Godly bachelor willing to take you as a wife? The good and noble Captain Porter has already taken on a bride out of Christian charity, Dr. Niles lives rather far away (and was instantly turned off by your feminist ways), Ralph offered to give you a chance. Surely God would not convince you to walk away from the blessing of a lifetime.

For another, your understanding of Scripture is alarmingly one-sided (that is, to support your side). For example, you talk about Satan's role in the Garden as being the serpent. From what Holy Scripture do you deduce that? The LORD replies to the serpent,

And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field;
upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life
Genesis 3:14

How do you know the reason serpents don't talk today is because of the dust in their vocal boxes? The truth is, you don't. You simply assume this. If you are comfortable assuming something so important as the very first sin on earth, how can you be trusted to not assume something relatively minor, like thinking a husband ought to share in the role of raising his children?

If you don't trust the Holy Word of God as a guide for your life, then you are trusting yourself, your own understanding. This goes against God's Will:

Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Proverbs 3:5-6

That means YOU go against God's Will. You are a rebel and have rejected the LORD. If you had faith, you would have trust. You have as much as admitted to spitting in His Holy Eye.

I will pray for you, dear.



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