[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hello, all.

If the Judeo-Christian God created evil, then God is not omnibenevolent.

Gee, it's almost like I said that myself.

Oh, wait. I DID.

And yes, I deny the work of any so-called "Christian philosopher" who claims God to be omnibenevolent, since he is putting qualities he desires onto God instead of reading what the Bible clearly says.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Hello, all.

Because of God's omniscience, omnipotence, and omnibenevolence would have God desire to eliminate evil.

You still do not understand. What is with today's educational system.
Tell me, how YOU know what God wants?

Of course I don't *KNOW* if God exists, but then again, neither do any of you.

Of course we know He exists. He has touched us all. He is as real as you.

A theory and a scientific theory are different...

The commonly used definition of theory is the one you are using which is "an assumption with a lack of evidence. A scientific theory is an hypothesis with evidence supporting it. lol

A 'theory' and a 'scientific theory' are 'best guesses based on available information'. They are not facts. Did the example I give you go completely over your head? How old are you anyway? I bet not more than 15.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Hello, all.

Because of God's omniscience, omnipotence, and omnibenevolence would have God desire to eliminate evil...

How many times do you have to be shown that God of the Bible IS NOT OMNIBENEVOLENT? Oy vey.

Just ask the Midianites or the Amelekites, or even better, anyone who WASN'T on the Ark.

[Brother Jared]

Re: Hello, all.

Okay, then? How. Provide evidence. Surely you know any rational person needs evidence, and you claim to *KNOW* god exists.

The sixty-six books of the Old and New Testaments is the full record of God’s self-disclosure to mankind. Different men, while writing according to their own styles and personalities, were supernaturally moved along by the Holy Spirit to record God’s very words, inerrant in the original writings. Therefore, those applying themselves to study its literal, historical-grammatical context can accurately understand God’s Word. Scripture is fully trustworthy as our final and sufficient authority for all of life (2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20-21).

[MissKage]

Re: Hello, all.

Why would God want to eliminate evil? Evil is a sure way for Him to test us. Which is easier, working hard to earn wealth or rob a bank? God provides us with the opportunity to do either one. You need to think and not just regurgitate other peoples comments. It is painfully obvious.

Because of God's omniscience, omnipotence, and omnibenevolence would have God desire to eliminate evil.

You do not know the Bible, you do not know if God exists, you do not know much, yet you have the audacity to make a comment like that? Friend, you are rapidly loosing any credibility given.

Of course I don't *KNOW* if God exists, but then again, neither do any of you.

That makes no sense. You comment that a 'theory' is a hypothesis and therefore it is true?

A theory and a scientific theory are different...

Think about this. A person walks through a house and constantly bangs into furniture, walls, you name it. Why?
Are they:
Blind
Eyes closed
Someone pushing them
Stupid
Having a heart attack
Retarded
A gimp
...

See friend, those are all 'guesses', 'theories', 'hypothesis'. Until you have every fact, all you can do is narrow it down and even then, you do not know for sure. You really need to learn more. You are embarrassing yourself with every post.

The commonly used definition of theory is the one you are using which is "an assumption with a lack of evidence. A scientific theory is an hypothesis with evidence supporting it. lol

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Hello, all.

And the Problem of Evil argument is neither a theory or a guess. It is an argument against the existence of your god.

Only if you erroneously believe God is omnibenevolent.

Adonai — compassion before a person sins;
Adonai — compassion after a person has sinned;
El — mighty in compassion to give all creatures according to their need;
Rachum — merciful, that humankind may not be distressed;
Chanun — gracious if humankind is already in distress;
Erech appayim — slow to anger;
Rav chesed — plenteous in mercy;
Emet — truth;
Notzer chesed laalafim — keeping mercy unto thousands;
Noseh avon — forgiving iniquity;
Noseh peshah — forgiving transgression;
Noseh chatah — forgiving sin;
Venakeh — and pardoning.

A) This is not a Bible Verse.

2) No where do the words "omni" or "always" or "everysingletimewithoutexception" appear.

Want to try again?

[James Hutchins]

Re: Hello, all.

How? If God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent (which are the qualities of the J-C God), then wouldn't God want to eliminate evil?

Why would God want to eliminate evil? Evil is a sure way for Him to test us. Which is easier, working hard to earn wealth or rob a bank? God provides us with the opportunity to do either one. You need to think and not just regurgitate other peoples comments. It is painfully obvious.

Uh... no. You have no "cold hard facts" in your religion, lol.

You do not know the Bible, you do not know if God exists, you do not know much, yet you have the audacity to make a comment like that? Friend, you are rapidly loosing any credibility given.

I'm assuming you are using this in a foolish way to refute the scientific claims I have used? A scientific theory is a hypothesis that has a significant amount of evidence to support it, so no.

That makes no sense. You comment that a 'theory' is a hypothesis and therefore it is true?

Think about this. A person walks through a house and constantly bangs into furniture, walls, you name it. Why?
Are they:
Blind
Eyes closed
Someone pushing them
Stupid
Having a heart attack
Retarded
A gimp
...

See friend, those are all 'guesses', 'theories', 'hypothesis'. Until you have every fact, all you can do is narrow it down and even then, you do not know for sure. You really need to learn more. You are embarrassing yourself with every post.

[MissKage]

Re: Hello, all.

Well then, why do you use stoopid definitions, friend?

And of course you are evil, you are unsaved and do not know Jesus. You cannot be good without Jesus, friend.

John
15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

The Bible says it and that settles it!

What makes the Bible automatically true?

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Hello, all.

Prove it.

Btw, no one here is just going to take your word for it. Independent, non-biased, verifiable sources only, please.

But he had some thoughts in his head that he agrees with...

[Didymus Much]

Re: Hello, all.

...I am not evil...

Prove it.

Btw, no one here is just going to take your word for it. Independent, non-biased, verifiable sources only, please.

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: Hello, all.

Adonai — compassion before a person sins;
Adonai — compassion after a person has sinned;
El — mighty in compassion to give all creatures according to their need;
Rachum — merciful, that humankind may not be distressed;
Chanun — gracious if humankind is already in distress;
Erech appayim — slow to anger;
Rav chesed — plenteous in mercy;
Emet — truth;
Notzer chesed laalafim — keeping mercy unto thousands;
Noseh avon — forgiving iniquity;
Noseh peshah — forgiving transgression;
Noseh chatah — forgiving sin;
Venakeh — and pardoning.

Friend, what is wrong with your head? That is not a Bible verse.

Who taught you not to know what a Bible verse is and to hate Jesus?

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: Hello, all.

Stupid definitions are stupid. I am not evil.

Well then, why do you use stoopid definitions, friend?

And of course you are evil, you are unsaved and do not know Jesus. You cannot be good without Jesus, friend.

John
15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

The Bible says it and that settles it!

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Hello, all.

These atheists sure try to overcomplicate Jesus's message of "believe in me without question and obey God's commands."

[MissKage]

Re: Hello, all.

Still avoiding the questions. Stanford's 'Conclusion' is only valid if God were man (and even then, not really), which everyone knows He is not. He is the supreme being and as such, mortal rules do not apply to Him.
Since when does being 'morally perfect' mean you want to eliminate evil? Evil and morals are two totally different things. Have you not heard of 'Honor among thieves'?

How? If God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent (which are the qualities of the J-C God), then wouldn't God want to eliminate evil?

You see friend, being a community college philosophy 101 summer school major like you are, it is obvious you are devoid of original thought. This is why when pressed, you are compelled to use other peoples (often flawed, but you are unaware and cannot tell for yourself) works.

And yet most of your "arguments" are false... Huh.

You can use your lines of BS on drunken bar sluts and you will probably get some Syphilis. But True Christians™ base their 'philosophy on cold hard facts, not one of which you have provided.

Uh... no. You have no "cold hard facts" in your religion, lol.

Hint:A 'conclusion' is not a fact, it is a 'theory'. A 'theory' is a 'guess'. All your facts are 'guesses'.

I'm assuming you are using this in a foolish way to refute the scientific claims I have used? A scientific theory is a hypothesis that has a significant amount of evidence to support it, so no.

And the Problem of Evil argument is neither a theory or a guess. It is an argument against the existence of your god.

I'd love to see just where in the KJV 1611 Holy Bible you found the verse that says the LORD is omnibenevolent.

Adonai — compassion before a person sins;
Adonai — compassion after a person has sinned;
El — mighty in compassion to give all creatures according to their need;
Rachum — merciful, that humankind may not be distressed;
Chanun — gracious if humankind is already in distress;
Erech appayim — slow to anger;
Rav chesed — plenteous in mercy;
Emet — truth;
Notzer chesed laalafim — keeping mercy unto thousands;
Noseh avon — forgiving iniquity;
Noseh peshah — forgiving transgression;
Noseh chatah — forgiving sin;
Venakeh — and pardoning.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Hello, all.

So... You believe I, an atheist, will be cast into Hell simply because I disbelieve in God, even if I was a good person in my lifetime?


Utterly predictable copy paste from atheists web site.

Yes. If you don't believe in Jesus you go to Hell. What's to explain?