[Levi Jones]

Re: Hail Hamlet

the Baptist ritual, which makes it sound cult-like.

Oh hey! Speaking of cult-like, I see you haven't answered my question about eating Jesus' flesh and drinking His literal blood by some magical ritual performed by a priest. Does that seem particularly logical to you ?

[Faith_Machine]

Re: Hail Hamlet

Actually, to correct your English, for it to be an acronym of that sort, it would be M.Ass, or M.A. The way I spelled it, however, was mass, which could also be used to the amount of matter an item is made of, in the scientific sense. I called it a Baptist mass because I figured it might be rude to call it the Baptist ritual, which makes it sound cult-like.

Lokuul, I've asked the pastors here to issue you an infraction for attempting to correct one of your betters.

Please do not take this in the wrong way. It's not meant as a punishment, or to make you feel bad; it's just that, legally, we have to make sure there's an electronic paper trail documenting anything bad you may have done.

We have to do this because in the past, we've banned people from this site and then they've turned around and hit us with bogus discrimination lawsuits.

Thank you for understanding, and I do look forward to working with you to help you improve your behavior and become a productive member of this community.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Hail Hamlet

Actually, to correct your English, for it to be an acronym of that sort, it would be M.Ass, or M.A. The way I spelled it, however, was mass, which could also be used to the amount of matter an item is made of, in the scientific sense. I called it a Baptist mass because I figured it might be rude to call it the Baptist ritual, which makes it sound cult-like.

Sorry, friend, I'm afraid you're just wrong about everything as usual.

ac·ro·nym

/ˈakrəˌnim/
Noun
A word formed from the initial letters of other words (e.g., radar, laser).

You should try Googling things before you embarrass yourself by posting them publicly.

Just trying to help.

[Lokuul]

Re: Hail Hamlet

Oh hey! Speaking of cult-like, I see you haven't answered my question about eating Jesus' flesh and drinking His literal blood by some magical ritual performed by a priest. Does that seem particularly logical to you ?

Seems more logical than to take a book that was written thousands of years ago and translated into multiple languages verbatim. Especially one that is, to be true, filled with folk tales. A good half of the Bible comes from Jewish histories and scriptures. Now, the other half does have historical fact in it, except for Revelations, which was all interpretations.

[Lokuul]

Re: Hail Hamlet

Oh hey! Speaking of cult-like, I see you haven't answered my question about eating Jesus' flesh and drinking His literal blood by some magical ritual performed by a priest. Does that seem particularly logical to you ?

Also, just to add, this reminds me of the Baptist Crutch, minus the colourful equines, because they actually believe in the "Love thy Neighbor" spiel you guys put on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT_vPzvIGFM

[Didymus Much]

Re: Hail Hamlet

Seems more logical than to take a book that was written thousands of years ago and translated into multiple languages verbatim...

Impossible.

ver·ba·tim [ver-bey-tim] Show IPA
adverb
1. in exactly the same words; word for word: to repeat something verbatim...

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/verbatim

How do you translate something into another language using exactly the same words?

...Especially one that is, to be true, filled with folk tales...

Just because you don't want to acknowledge the Truth™ of an omniscient entity being unaware of proceedings in His immediate vicinity (as would have been necessary for the serpent to have convinced Eve to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge), or for the embodiment of Perfection to make a mistake (when, as an omniscient being, He would have been aware that He would make that mistake) and be forced to start over (the Flood), then it's easy to dismiss those stories as "folk tales".

... A good half of the Bible comes from Jewish histories and scriptures....

If you're talking about the Old Testament, then it's closer to three quarters of the content of the Bible.

... Now, the other half does have historical fact in it,...

Really? Like what?

...except for Revelations, which was all interpretations.

Do you know what "interpretations" means? The word means that whatever is under discussion was based on earlier sources. If there is an error, and the error is not due to misinterpretation (and it's not, otherwise you would have used that word), then the earlier material must be in error. As you have not shown this to be the case, any "error" here is solely yours.

[Lokuul]

Re: Hail Hamlet

Impossible.



How do you translate something into another language using exactly the same words?



Just because you don't want to acknowledge the Truth™ of an omniscient entity being unaware of proceedings in His immediate vicinity (as would have been necessary for the serpent to have convinced Eve to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge), or for the embodiment of Perfection to make a mistake (when, as an omniscient being, He would have been aware that He would make that mistake) and be forced to start over (the Flood), then it's easy to dismiss those stories as "folk tales".



If you're talking about the Old Testament, then it's closer to three quarters of the content of the Bible.



Really? Like what?



Do you know what "interpretations" means? The word means that whatever is under discussion was based on earlier sources. If there is an error, and the error is not due to misinterpretation (and it's not, otherwise you would have used that word), then the earlier material must be in error. As you have not shown this to be the case, any "error" here is solely yours.

When I said verbatim, I meant taking the Bible word for word, not translating it word for word. As in, yes, I think I should fuck my daughters and sisters, or that I lepers are evil. And the folk tales I speak of are the splitting of the Red Sea and the Pillar of Fire and Cloud, along with the seven days of creation (I do believe it to be seven days, but not seven days of twenty-four hours). Also, I can interpret it any way, because after all the translation, it can't come close to the actual words.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hail Hamlet

When I said verbatim, I meant taking the Bible word for word, not translating it word for word. As in, yes, I think I should piffle my daughters and sisters, or that I lepers are evil. And the folk tales I speak of are the splitting of the Red Sea and the Pillar of Fire and Cloud, along with the seven days of creation (I do believe it to be seven days, but not seven days of twenty-four hours). Also, I can interpret it any way, because after all the translation, it can't come close to the actual words.

Look pal; If the Bible is wrong when it tells us it is infallible, then it contradicts itself. If it contradicts itself, then it is unreliable. If it is unreliable, then our faith is totally shattered and Christianity is a lie. You need to seriously reconsider your logic.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Hail Hamlet

...I can interpret it any way...

Hey, so can I! I can "interpret" it to mean I can drink like a fish, tell everyone else to get piffled, blaspheme the Holy Spirit, rape and kill any number of schoolchildren I want to, etc.

It's just when I expect to do all that and still go to Heaven that there's an issue.

You see, the Bible says God is omniscient and omnipotent. I'll give you a few minutes to go look those words up in a dictionary, so that there's no misunderstanding.

Ready to continue? Good. Now, if God is omniscient and omnipotent, that means that the Bible says EXACTLY what He wants it to. You claim that the translators made mistakes (either intentional or otherwise). If this was so, God would be able to change every Bible in the world, instantly, to reflect His wishes perfectly. The fact that He hasn't done so means that one of the following must be true:

1) The Bible already says EXACTLY what God wants it to say.
2) God is unaware of the imperfections of the Bible, and is not omniscient. The Bible has therefore lied to us, and is unreliable.
3) God is unable to change the Bible to reflect His wishes, and is not omnipotent. The Bible has therefore lied to us, and is unreliable.
4) God does not exist.

So, which of the above possibilities do you agree with?

[Lokuul]

Re: Hail Hamlet

Hey, so can I! I can "interpret" it to mean I can drink like a fish, tell everyone else to get piffled, blaspheme the Holy Spirit, rape and kill any number of schoolchildren I want to, etc.

It's just when I expect to do all that and still go to Heaven that there's an issue.

You see, the Bible says God is omniscient and omnipotent. I'll give you a few minutes to go look those words up in a dictionary, so that there's no misunderstanding.

Ready to continue? Good. Now, if God is omniscient and omnipotent, that means that the Bible says EXACTLY what He wants it to. You claim that the translators made mistakes (either intentional or otherwise). If this was so, God would be able to change every Bible in the world, instantly, to reflect His wishes perfectly. The fact that He hasn't done so means that one of the following must be true:

1) The Bible already says EXACTLY what God wants it to say.
2) God is unaware of the imperfections of the Bible, and is not omniscient. The Bible has therefore lied to us, and is unreliable.
3) God is unable to change the Bible to reflect His wishes, and is not omnipotent. The Bible has therefore lied to us, and is unreliable.
4) God does not exist.

So, which of the above possibilities do you agree with?

Two and Three, because I cannot believe any document that has been written by man. Look at Joseph Smith. He said he found some tablets and shit and wrote the Book of Mormon, and boom. Religion founded. Kinda like the game Civilization, except you don't need to get culture or piety, just need to have a silver tongue and gullible people. Not to say that I'm not a Christian, I just don't put all my faith into a book.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Hail Hamlet

Friend, the Holy Bible was written by man by the Word of God. God dictated what He wanted in the Bible. If it were not His Perfect Word, He would of had us change it. After all, He was able to perform many miracles so do really think having a few edits done to a Book is that big a deal? Heck, you God haters constantly edit your 'wikis' and you are a bunch of idiots.

There are many people who refused to listen to Him. It is their choice via 'Free Will'. So a bunch of wack jobs make up some kind of 'woo'. That does not mean they are anything like a True Christian(tm).

[Didymus Much]

Re: Hail Hamlet

...Not to say that I'm not a Christian, I just don't put all my faith into a book.

I get it that you don't want to say you're not a Christian, so I will: You're not a Christian.

A Christian believes the Bible is the truth. A Christian has a foundation for their faith, the Bible.

You? You got nothing. Discount the Bible, as you do, and what evidence is left for the existence of God and Jesus in the first place? 0. <--- that's a zero, not the letter between "n" and "p" in the alphabet

You believe in a "God" that's neither omniscient nor omnipotent. In what way do they qualify as a god at all?

Just calling yourself a Christian doesn't make you one. If I live in a garage and yell "vroom vroom" at passersby, does that me a motorcycle?

[Irinka the repentant jewess]

Re: Hail Hamlet

Two and Three, because I cannot believe any document that has been written by man. Look at Joseph Smith. He said he found some tablets and shit and wrote the Book of Mormon, and boom. Religion founded. Kinda like the game Civilization, except you don't need to get culture or piety, just need to have a silver tongue and gullible people. Not to say that I'm not a Christian, I just don't put all my faith into a book.

You, pal, are a really messed up dude! On one hand, you insist on being a Christian, and on the other you deny the very core of your supposed faith by negating the main source of TRUTH that Christianity is based on! You need to make up your mind, and the sooner, the better!

[Lokuul]

Re: Hail Hamlet

You, pal, are a really messed up dude! On one hand, you insist on being a Christian, and on the other you deny the very core of your supposed faith by negating the main source of TRUTH that Christianity is based on! You need to make up your mind, and the sooner, the better!

I get it that you don't want to say you're not a Christian, so I will: You're not a Christian.

A Christian believes the Bible is the truth. A Christian has a foundation for their faith, the Bible.

You? You got nothing. Discount the Bible, as you do, and what evidence is left for the existence of God and Jesus in the first place? 0. <--- that's a zero, not the letter between "n" and "p" in the alphabet

You believe in a "God" that's neither omniscient nor omnipotent. In what way do they qualify as a god at all?

Just calling yourself a Christian doesn't make you one. If I live in a garage and yell "vroom vroom" at passersby, does that me a motorcycle?

You, pal, are a really messed up dude! On one hand, you insist on being a Christian, and on the other you deny the very core of your supposed faith by negating the main source of TRUTH that Christianity is based on! You need to make up your mind, and the sooner, the better!

I get it that you don't want to say you're not a Christian, so I will: You're not a Christian.

A Christian believes the Bible is the truth. A Christian has a foundation for their faith, the Bible.

You? You got nothing. Discount the Bible, as you do, and what evidence is left for the existence of God and Jesus in the first place? 0. <--- that's a zero, not the letter between "n" and "p" in the alphabet

You believe in a "God" that's neither omniscient nor omnipotent. In what way do they qualify as a god at all?

Just calling yourself a Christian doesn't make you one. If I live in a garage and yell "vroom vroom" at passersby, does that me a motorcycle?

The main truth of Christianity is Jesus being the Son of God. That I believe.
The main truth of Christianity is Jesus being crucified for our sins. That I believe.
The main truth of Christianity is that I believe in God, in Heaven, in Hell, and in the Devil. All of this I believe.
The evidence that God exists is inside. We believe, and that makes us True Christians. Not that we read a book, even if it is one that is written by a man of God. Not that we go to church and give tithe to it. But it is that we believe in the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. The Trinity. The holiest of all. The Creator of the World.
Also, yes, if you sit in your garage and yell "vroom vroom" then you are a motorcycle in your own mind if you want. Because you believe that you are.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Hail Hamlet

...Also, yes, if you sit in your garage and yell "vroom vroom" then you are a motorcycle in your own mind if you want. Because you believe that you are.

But I'd be believing a delusion. For being a Christian to be any good to you, God would have to suffer from the same delusion (agree with your opinion that reading the Bible and obeying His rules are not necessary, points that the Bible, your only evidence for the existence of God and Jesus in the first place, goes repeatedly to great lengths to refute). Are you willing to wager eternity that both you and God are insane?





I would, now that I think of it.