[Didymus Much]

Re: Here I Am

...It is identical to how Muhammad received it.

Wrong. Mo was illiterate (Qu'ran 7:157), "received" the koran in a series of visions, and told other people what he saw/heard.

Then someone else again (they can't agree who, or even whether it was one person or a committee, some even think it was Mo himself, but how does an illiterate put together a book), collated the now second-hand bits and pieces, put in the most illogical order possible (longest chapter first, instead of chronological, as the Bible is) in order to further obfuscate its meaning, then destroyed all of his sources, preventing the correction of any possible errors that may have sneaked in.

So, at best, it's third-hand information you're dealing with. Unacceptable for even a high-school term paper, somehow billions of people consider it to be God's truth (hmm, torture and gruesome death for those with the temerity to question it couldn't have anything with that, now could it?).

I hope this has been informative.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Christianity has so many different versions of the Bible, based on many variant texts. Christians can't even agree among themselves how many books should be in the Bible, the catholics throw in the apocrypha.

Wrong. The Holy Bible has only one version, and True Christians™ follow it to the letter. Furthermore, cathlics are not even Christian, so their version is irrelevant.

It's foolishness to think the LORD speaks arabic. Why would the LORD of Lords speak some nomadic desert language? That doesn't make sense.

[Izmael ibn Ibrahim]

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Welcome, Izmael. What are your views on Christianity? Are we mere infidels? Or are we People of the Book?

Well, that's tricky. I'm relatively new to Islam and there are different opinions. I believe that if you are a trinitarian, you are a polytheist and therefore kafir. But if you followed the original monotheistic teachings of Jesus (pbuh), you would be People of the Book in the proper sense.

What was it that really changed your mind about Christianity?

For me the clincher was the fact that the Qur'an is pure. Christianity has so many different versions of the Bible, based on many variant texts. Christians can't even agree among themselves how many books should be in the Bible, the catholics throw in the apocrypha. No one speaks the original languages the Bible was written in anymore, and this makes translation difficult. The Qur'an was written in one language: Arabic, which is still spoken today. Muslims are encouraged to read the Qur'an in Arabic (I'm still learning). There are no textual variants of the Qur'an. It is identical to how Muhammad (pbuh) received it.

[Irinka the repentant jewess]

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I have just recently taken a second wife and I have two sons and a daughter. I would never strap bombs to them, especially not my wives or daughter. Their main chance for martyrdom is if they die in childbirth. We're not going to take over the country if we blow up our children, are we? I'm just hoping that Obama will soon bring in Sharia law and we can breath a sigh of relief. Not sure if he'll do it, though. He seems a bit soft.

Oh yes, and I'd you are aspiring to take over the country, it would help to learn how to spell first. The verb "breathe" is spelled with an "e" at the end (without it this word is a noun - as in "breath", like a breath of fresh air, which is what I need after reading your disturbing posts.)

[Irinka the repentant jewess]

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I have just recently taken a second wife and I have two sons and a daughter. I would never strap bombs to them, especially not my wives or daughter. Their main chance for martyrdom is if they die in childbirth. We're not going to take over the country if we blow up our children, are we? I'm just hoping that Obama will soon bring in Sharia law and we can breath a sigh of relief. Not sure if he'll do it, though. He seems a bit soft.

You, sir, give me the creeps. As far as our current president is concerned, no such thing as you wish for will happen because he will get himself impeached before he has a chance to attempt such a silly thing!

[Pim Pendergast]

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Welcome, Izmael. What are your views on Christianity? Are we mere infidels? Or are we People of the Book?

What was it that really changed your mind about Christianity?

[Izmael ibn Ibrahim]

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Hello Mr. Abraham, and welcome to our friendly forums!

Are you married? Do you have any wives and children to strap bombs to?

I have just recently taken a second wife and I have two sons and a daughter. I would never strap bombs to them, especially not my wives or daughter. Their main chance for martyrdom is if they die in childbirth. We're not going to take over the country if we blow up our children, are we? I'm just hoping that Obama will soon bring in Sharia law and we can breath a sigh of relief. Not sure if he'll do it, though. He seems a bit soft.

[Didymus Much]

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That’s true. Atheists are kafir (infidels)...

Sticks and stones may break my bones,
But names will never hurt me.

Guys on planes with fucked-up brains...




Meh, that's enough poetry for this year.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Hello Mr. Abraham, and welcome to our friendly forums!

Are you married? Do you have any wives and children to strap bombs to?

[Izmael ibn Ibrahim]

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I think we can all agree what the real problem is here, eh Sinbad?

That’s true. Atheists are kafir (infidels).

If it was referring to Mohamhed, the fact he is dead (in direct contradiction to Jesus who is alive and well in us all) obviously means he spoke about the wrong god and is therefor a liar.

We don’t deny Muhammad (pbuh) is dead. So are most of the other prophets we believe in like Moses (pbuh) or Noah (pbuh). Allah took Isa/ Jesus (pbuh) and let Judas be crucified in his place. So yes, Jesus (pbuh) is still alive and he will soon return to rule the earth.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

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That's wrong: here:

Deut 18:18
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Hab 3:3
God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of his praise.

These passages are about the Prophet (pbuh).

Keep reading, Bucko.

Deuteronomy 18:20 But the prophet, which eshall presume fto speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or gthat shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

If it was referring to Mohamhed, the fact he is dead (in direct contradiction to Jesus who is alive and well in us all) obviously means he spoke about the wrong god and is therefor a liar.

YIC

[Zechariah Smyth]

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I started out with belief in Allah (when I was born), I became a polytheistic trinitarian Christian and then reverted back to belief in Allah. We prefer not to call it "conversion."

Ah, gotcha. So it's like a re-conversion. Interesting.

Deut 18:18
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

This is a promise that a prophet would come from among the brethren of the Israelites. If this was about Isa/ Jesus (piss be upon him), shouldn't it read "from among their children?" The brothers of the Israelites are the Ishmaelites and the Prophet (pbuh) was a descendant of Ishmael. Also it says that Allah will put His words in his mouth and the Prophet (pbuh) would speak everything Allah commanded. Muhammad (pbuh) did this.

Hab 3:3
God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of his praise.

The Holy One from mount Paran is Muhammad (pbuh). Paran is in the region of Mecca.

Do you twist the koran as much as you twist the Bible?



By the way, I agree with you that islam is simpler than Christianity...that's why it attracts so many simpletons.

YiC,

Zech

[Izmael ibn Ibrahim]

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Welcome! You say that you "reverted" back to islam. I thought you started out as a Baptist?

I started out with belief in Allah (when I was born), I became a polytheistic trinitarian Christian and then reverted back to belief in Allah. We prefer not to call it "conversion."

Prove it.

Deut 18:18
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

This is a promise that a prophet would come from among the brethren of the Israelites. If this was about Isa/ Jesus (peace be upon him), shouldn't it read "from among their children?" The brothers of the Israelites are the Ishmaelites and the Prophet (pbuh) was a descendant of Ishmael. Also it says that Allah will put His words in his mouth and the Prophet (pbuh) would speak everything Allah commanded. Muhammad (pbuh) did this.

Hab 3:3
God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of his praise.

The Holy One from mount Paran is Muhammad (pbuh). Paran is in the region of Mecca.

[Little Donkey]

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And shooting girls in the head for daring to want to go to school so that their children aren't forced to grow up in a disease-ridden, poverty-stricken hellhole where they have the basic human right to *obscenity deleted*.

I don't think you need a link.

Steady there now Didymus! Isn't it just typical that, while the religious folk are quietly discussing the differences in our beliefs, an atheist barges in uninvited trying to offend everyone and making veiled threats about shooting people . I think we can all agree what the real problem is here, eh Sinbad?

[FreeFromBrains]

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Ahem! Iraq. Afghanistan.

They are economic wars. Not religious wars.