[TheWiccanWhore]

Re: Creationism

Anna, I think you should drop the matter. Don't try to explain to these people in what we believe, they will not hear. Don't try to convince them that their ways are wrong either. They are happy about who they are, even if we are taught differently. Respect that they have every right to say what they want. Keep the peace honey
Blessed be
-T

[{Anna}]

Re: Creationism

So you admit you deliberately are cruel. How can you live like that?
All we do is share True Christian™ Love.

If you can show were in the Bible we did not Follow the Gospel as is written, we wil take appropriate corrective action. Otherwise, you have a lot, and I mean a real lot, of hurt feelings to mend. We are not pillars of stone, we are flesh and blood!

No-I admit to be hurt by your words-but not much

Prayer is completely different to magick. When we pray, we are talking to God, who always answers prayer. The answer could be yes, no or later, but He always answers. Prayer has a 100% success rate.



Would they have got better on their own, anyway?



I think it is relevant. You are basically admitting magick could be a placebo. Not proof.

That is not relevant in this though.
The fact is it initiated a change. To me this is a proof.

I know it was invented in England in the early 20th century, pretty much within living memory (for some people), and its origins are well documented. It is not an ancient religion, as some claim, but borrows extensively from older religions. The wiccan rede only goes back to 1964. Why would you believe something that was so obviously just made up?

Ther is ansfer for that here
wicca-information

Of course, there is no evidence that modern Wicca is not the direct continuation of the ancient Pagan religion, either!
In science, when there can be no final proof nor disproof, the question is deemed to be meaningless. We will never know the answer. What's left, then, is what we believe.
Most Wiccans prefer to claim an ancient heritage, however. And in some ways, it's indisputable that Wicca stems from the Old Pagan Religions.
Personally, I believe Wicca is a reincarnation of the Old Religion. An heir, rather than the original.

I belive that Wicca is reincarnation of the Old Religion too.
Read rest yourself

And that page says: "...The Wiccan Wheel of the Year, given above, represents the most common dates that Witches celebrate the Sabbats.

It doesn't mean that these are the historical dates..."

And: "...Each Circle, or each Witch, will have their own method..." (for determining times and dates of celebrations).

So you have no idea if you're doing Wicca "right". You could just as easily be doing the EXACT OPPOSITE of what your deity(-ies) would want. Doesn't that thought frighten you in the least?

Is this enough

The Wiccan Wheel of the Year, given above, represents the most common dates that Witches celebrate the Sabbats.
It doesn't mean that these are the historical dates.
Using a Julian-based calendar gives us dates that don't align with the Lunar as well as Solar phases. For example, it seems that Samhain was celebrated at the full (or perhaps the dark) moon nearest November 1 (or the 11th or 12th moon)
It's also possible that historically the pagan rituals would have followed an agricultural calendar more than a Solar one. For instance, Midsummer might have been celebrated near the beginning of August rather than at Summer Solstice.
I haven't found definitive answers to these issues.
Nonetheless, what you are likely concerned with is when Wiccan Sabbats are celebrated today.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Creationism

...What do YOU know about your "Sabbats"? What source document are you using to determine their dates? What tells you you're doing the right things at the right times on the right days?

How do you even know the right dates? Do you have any idea how much the calendar has been changed? Read up on the Gregorian vs. Julian calendars, to begin with.

...Here
Wiccan Sabbats...

And that page says: "...The Wiccan Wheel of the Year, given above, represents the most common dates that Witches celebrate the Sabbats.

It doesn't mean that these are the historical dates..."

And: "...Each Circle, or each Witch, will have their own method..." (for determining times and dates of celebrations).

So you have no idea if you're doing Wicca "right". You could just as easily be doing the EXACT OPPOSITE of what your deity(-ies) would want. Doesn't that thought frighten you in the least?

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Creationism

How do you know that prayer works?
and what is the difference between prayer and magick?
Really very little if anything
They have the same goal in mind,
and sometimes use the same ways to accomplish their goal.
I have heard many argue the effectiveness of prayer.
This could be one proof.

Prayer is completely different to magick. When we pray, we are talking to God, who always answers prayer. The answer could be yes, no or later, but He always answers. Prayer has a 100% success rate.

Physically, I have seen healing changes made through magick,
on others, or on myself.

Would they have got better on their own, anyway?

Whether or not it was actually the magick,
or the belief in the effectiveness stimulating our minds is
not really relevant in this though.
The fact is it initiated a change. To me this is a proof.

I think it is relevant. You are basically admitting magick could be a placebo. Not proof.

What do you know about Wicca?

I know it was invented in England in the early 20th century, pretty much within living memory (for some people), and its origins are well documented. It is not an ancient religion, as some claim, but borrows extensively from older religions. The wiccan rede only goes back to 1964. Why would you believe something that was so obviously just made up?

[James Hutchins]

Re: Creationism

...
And you don't think it hurt me when you insult me
...

So you admit you deliberately are cruel. How can you live like that?
All we do is share True Christian(tm) Love.

If you can show were in the Bible we did not Follow the Gospel as is written, we wil take appropriate corrective action. Otherwise, you have a lot, and I mean a real lot, of hurt feelings to mend. We are not pillars of stone, we are flesh and blood!

[{Anna}]

Re: Creationism

It's made up fantasies that appeal to those who are unhappy with the reality of their lives.



Emotional talismans, verbal charms to help you feel secure and safe in an unpredictable and therefore unsettling world.



They serve as distractions from reality, encouraging you to think you're doing something positive when in reality all you're doing is elevating your emotional state to something less depressive than normal.



Irrelevant. Only the LORD God is relevant.

You know all that how?

You have not come right out and said it, but your words hurt, Anna, they truly do. I am mere flesh and blood and it hurts me deeply when you say the mean things you do. Re-read your cruel comments to me.

And you don't think it hurt me when you insult me

Give an example.



Give an example.



Give an example.



Give an example.



Give an example.



Give an example.



What do YOU know about your "Sabbats"? What source document are you using to determine their dates? What tells you you're doing the right things at the right times on the right days?

How do you even know the right dates? Do you have any idea how much the calendar has been changed? Read up on the Gregorian vs. Julian calendars, to begin with.

Here
Wiccan Sabbats
And there are different dates on Southern Hemisphere
Wiccan holidays on Southern Hemisphere
This is why

There are two schools of thought.

-One viewpoint is that the Sabbats should be celebrated as they were originally created to be... in other words, Samhain is Oct 31, regardless of where you live. In the Southern Hemisphere, even though you are just gearing up to summer on Oct 31, this perspective says that you celebrate the cleansing and releasing, the honouring of the dead just as you would if you lived in the Northern Hemisphere.

-The other viewpoint is that Wicca is a nature religion which must, if it is to be alive and not merely dogmatic procedure, fit your own circumstances.So this perspective says that when the Southern Hemisphere is gearing up for spring, you would celebrate Wiccan rituals of spring. Regardless of what Northern Witches are doing.

Get
It
Into
Your
Head

I don't want to know anything about Wicca. It is a false doctrine and you are a heathen trying to get me to worship false gods or something. It doesn't matter what it is, it's against Jesus and therefore evil. I really don't know why you haven't been banned because you are here trying to convert good True Christian™ men with the love of Jesus in their hearts to darkness and damnation. None of us is interested in Wicca. It's stupid made up nonsense that has no foundation in the reality of Christ's temporary sacrifice to save you from this sort of sin.

OK

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Creationism

OK
What do you know about Wicca?
or our spirituality?
What do you know about our Sabbats
and do you know which are and what is date of them?

Get
It
Into
Your
Head

I don't want to know anything about Wicca. It is a false doctrine and you are a heathen trying to get me to worship false gods or something. It doesn't matter what it is, it's against Jesus and therefore evil. I really don't know why you haven't been banned because you are here trying to convert good True Christian(tm) men with the love of Jesus in their hearts to darkness and damnation. None of us is interested in Wicca. It's stupid made up nonsense that has no foundation in the reality of Christ's temporary sacrifice to save you from this sort of sin.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Creationism

...Magick is

-A natural process,...

Give an example.

...-Inherent in every living being, and especially human beings,...

Give an example.

...-A skill that can be taught and developed,...

Give an example.

...-In action all the time, in every situation, whether we're aware of it or not,...

Give an example.

...-A reflection of our Divine Essence and a channeling of Divine Creative Power,...

Give an example.

...-An art and a science, with clearly definable processes.

Give an example.

...What do you know about our Sabbats
and do you know which are and what is date of them?

What do YOU know about your "Sabbats"? What source document are you using to determine their dates? What tells you you're doing the right things at the right times on the right days?

How do you even know the right dates? Do you have any idea how much the calendar has been changed? Read up on the Gregorian vs. Julian calendars, to begin with.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Creationism

I do not hate you
Where did you got that idea?

You have not come right out and said it, but your words hurt, Anna, they truly do. I am mere flesh and blood and it hurts me deeply when you say the mean things you do. Re-read your cruel comments to me.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Creationism

What do you know about Wicca?

It's made up fantasies that appeal to those who are unhappy with the reality of their lives.

or our spirituality?

Emotional talismans, verbal charms to help you feel secure and safe in an unpredictable and therefore unsettling world.

What do you know about our Sabbats

They serve as distractions from reality, encouraging you to think you're doing something positive when in reality all you're doing is elevating your emotional state to something less depressive than normal.

and do you know which are and what is date of them?

Irrelevant. Only the LORD God is relevant.

[{Anna}]

Re: Creationism

You see Anna, that is part of the lack of vision, that knowing God, in His truest sense, would give you.
I'll try to explain it though being you hate everyone and everything so much, I doubt you'll understand. But God commands me to try anyway.
I like everyone. Even those that hate me. Those that hate me, well, it takes a lot of effort to like them. People like you. You hate me because I am decent and loving and want to go to Heaven. You do not know me but still, the hate is pervasive in your tone. It does make me weep when I have a 'personal' moment.

I do not hate you
Where did you got that idea?

[{Anna}]

Re: Creationism

They're both an abomination in the eyes of the Lord.

Leviticus 19:26 Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times

Deuteronomy 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,

That's good enough for me.

OK
What do you know about Wicca?
or our spirituality?
What do you know about our Sabbats
and do you know which are and what is date of them?

[James Hutchins]

Re: Creationism

....What do you mean by "like"
Yes,nothing personal

You see Anna, that is part of the lack of vision, that knowing God, in His truest sense, would give you.
I'll try to explain it though being you hate everyone and everything so much, I doubt you'll understand. But God commands me to try anyway.
I like everyone. Even those that hate me. Those that hate me, well, it takes a lot of effort to like them. People like you. You hate me because I am decent and loving and want to go to Heaven. You do not know me but still, the hate is pervasive in your tone. It does make me weep when I have a 'personal' moment.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Creationism

Magick and sodomy two different things
That is like compering homosexual and heterosexual

They're both an abomination in the eyes of the Lord.

Leviticus 19:26 Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times

Deuteronomy 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,

That's good enough for me.

[{Anna}]

Re: Creationism

Sodomy is a part of life, according to queer abominations. Is that magic?

You're just coming out with weird stuff that makes you feel good if something works out the way you wanted it to, which is bound to happen eventually by chance. All you need to do then is ignore all the times it doesn't work.

This is the exact opposite of how prayer works because prayer is the result of intervention by God when we ask Him in prayer.

I hope this helps you in your path to realising you are talking nonsense.

Magick and sodomy two different things
That is like compering homosexual and heterosexual