[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Creationism

I am going to admit to a subterfuge. In asking for a definition of "spiritual" and knowing that no definition would be forthcoming I was able to confirm my suspicion that OP was not attempting direct proselytisation but wanting us to read the links.

Semiotics as a subject concerns signs. Applied to language, words become signifiers. What does "spiritual" signify to {Anna}?

Well we have our answer. Why does she want us to read the links?

To answer that we'd need to look at the content of the links but my purpose is not to intrude opinions or instruction of any kind and of course I didn't click the links.

Why bother? Full maniac MacGregor-Mathers probably originated more nonsense before breakfast than all the wolfbaneravens and hemlockbutterflies could produce in a lifetime. Take a look at this disaster area:

would you

believe
a
single
word
he
said
?

Christians do not "think" things. Perhaps I might think about a recipe or something but in that context the verb signifies something different.

I do not "think" the sky is blue, for example. The sky IS blue.
The word "blue" signifies the hue of the sky.
Now say if MacGregor-Mathers wants to call the sky-hue "tartan" — what word will he use to signify Tartan?
If he wants to call this "blue" and square "round" he is speaking a different language and no-one will understand him.

Even if they'd listen to a man walking around with 3 stars on his head in the first place. Which they wouldn't. Neither is any Christian audience interested in the undefined secret language of witchcraft.

Life is not a trial run. What happens here is determined by the Creator. Christians do not "think that" witchraft is satanic

GOD STATES IT TO BE SO

Neither do we have opinions concerning the efficacy of blood for remitting the filthy rag of sin, even the ordure of "righteousness" as interpreted by fools upon their broad and reeking path to everlasting ruin.

FROM THE NEW TESTAMENT

Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
KJV

FROM THE HISTORICAL RECORD

Isaiah 64:6-8 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities. But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.
KJV

We do not "think that" almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

GOD SAYS SO

We do not "think that" foul sinners at the turn of the 34th century were all as an unclean thing, and all their righteousnesses as filthy rags

GOD SAYS SO

Jesus explains:

MATTHEW 7
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
KJV

Praise and glorify His wonderful Name!

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Creationism

The only thing I've got out of this thread is that wiccans are sneaky by first trying to rubbish other people's beliefs as ridiculous and irrational before going for a sucker punch and preaching their own brand of ridiculous patently made up tosh.

You can't seem to get any two of them to agree on what it is they believe because they all just basically make it up in their own heads then sort of glue it back on to some vague mutual framework. They then just sort of politely ignore the bits where they believe in two mutually exclusive things at the same time while claiming to believe in the same religion.

They are vicious and intolerant and seem to think that everyone should believe what they believe and they also seem to find it impossible to take a polite, "No!" for an answer when ramming their message down other people's throats.

Compare this to the simple, unstained (conditional) love of Jesus who died (temporarily) for their sins, without being asked to and whether they wanted Him to or not. Yet they can't see how Jesus is right and they are wrong.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Creationism

Yes,I understand that perfectly
Do you know this applies to you to?

Okay, so you understand that just believing in something doesn't make it true. How then do you determine whether something is true? Or how should you determine whether something is true? Relying on your feelings -- whether something feels good -- isn't an accurate method, because that doesn't make something true either.

You kept mentioning earlier that alternative science supports wicca. When I looked up alternative science on Wikipedia, I found a disambiguation page that led me to pseudoscience.

Pseudoscience is a claim, belief, or practice which is presented as scientific, but does not adhere to a valid scientific method, lacks supporting evidence or plausibility, cannot be reliably tested, or otherwise lacks scientific status. Pseudoscience is often characterized by the use of vague, contradictory, exaggerated or unprovable claims, an over-reliance on confirmation rather than rigorous attempts at refutation, a lack of openness to evaluation by other experts, and a general absence of systematic processes to rationally develop theories.

You shouldn't use alternative science, or pseudoscience, to support wicca.

[{Anna}]

Re: Creationism

But don't you understand that just because YOU beleive something does not make it true?

It's like banging my head against a wall, talking to someone without an open mind and fixed beliefs.



YIC

Yes,I understand that perfectly
Do you know this applies to you to?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Creationism

I try to explain to you in what I believe

But don't you understand that just because YOU beleive something does not make it true?

It's like banging my head against a wall, talking to someone without an open mind and fixed beliefs.



YIC

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Creationism

what I believe

We already know what you believe. It would be interesting to learn however,
what is your definition of spiritual?

[{Anna}]

Re: Creationism

Anna, I can't speak for anybody else here, but the only thing I care about is your aeternal soul. I really want you to have a relationship with Jesus Christ, and I know that's what He wants.

Won't you please consider accepting Him as your personal savior?

No

What is it you want to acheive, here? Why do you want to tempt people away from God?

The Bible specifically says we should not associate with your kind or we will go to Hell with all the dogs and wizards.

Do you get some kick out wanting good, decent, kind, loving, innocent True Christians™ who only want to quietly and with humility trumpet the word of God to everyone to go to Hell?

What kind of monster are you? I will pray for you.

YIC

I try to explain to you in what I believe

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Creationism

I was abaut give up anyway
Thanks and Blessed be

What is it you want to acheive, here? Why do you want to tempt people away from God?

The Bible specifically says we should not associate with your kind or we will go to Hell with all the dogs and wizards.

Do you get some kick out wanting good, decent, kind, loving, innocent True Christians(tm) who only want to quietly and with humility trumpet the word of God to everyone to go to Hell?

What kind of monster are you? I will pray for you.

YIC

[Faith_Machine]

Re: Creationism

Anna, I can't speak for anybody else here, but the only thing I care about is your aeternal soul. I really want you to have a relationship with Jesus Christ, and I know that's what He wants.

Won't you please consider accepting Him as your personal savior?

[{Anna}]

Re: Creationism

Anna, I think you should drop the matter. Don't try to explain to these people in what we believe, they will not hear. Don't try to convince them that their ways are wrong either. They are happy about who they are, even if we are taught differently. Respect that they have every right to say what they want. Keep the peace honey
Blessed be
-T

I was abaut give up anyway
Thanks and Blessed be

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Creationism

"Spontaneous creation is the reason why there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," - Stephen Hawking

I've had an empty mayonnaise on my desk for years now. I keep waiting for some life form to suddenly appear in there, but so far, nothing has happened.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Creationism

That is not relevant in this though.
The fact is it initiated a change. To me this is a proof.

It is relevant. If magick is a placebo, it initiated no change. The change came from within the person, perhaps from a change in attitude or a resolution to try harder. It is a trick of the mind. A person taking sugar pills may be convinced they are helping him get better. Doesn't mean it's true.

Ther is ansfer for that here
wicca-information

Of course, there is no evidence that modern Wicca is not the direct continuation of the ancient Pagan religion, either!
In science, when there can be no final proof nor disproof, the question is deemed to be meaningless. We will never know the answer. What's left, then, is what we believe.
Most Wiccans prefer to claim an ancient heritage, however. And in some ways, it's indisputable that Wicca stems from the Old Pagan Religions.
Personally, I believe Wicca is a reincarnation of the Old Religion. An heir, rather than the original.

There is overwhelming evidence to suggest that wicca was made up by Gerald Gardner a few others from bits of older religions and (as far as I know) no evidence to the contrary. Generally one believes what one has evidence for and rejects what one does not have evidence for. It's not so much a scientific issue as a historical one.

[TheWiccanWhore]

Re: Creationism

Hello Pastor so kind of you to notice me. I hope you're having a good day

[Rylee Cline]

Re: Creationism

"Spontaneous creation is the reason why there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," - Stephen Hawking

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Creationism

Anna, I think you should drop the matter. Don't try to explain to these people in what we believe, they will not hear. Don't try to convince them that their ways are wrong either. They are happy about who they are, even if we are taught differently. Respect that they have every right to say what they want. Keep the peace honey
Blessed be
-T

This is a very powerful prayer against Witchcraft. This prayer can shut down witches and satanists forever. Being that this prayer basically shuts down the senders of the hexes and vexes by returning their evil to them sevenfold. I now hurl it at you in Christ's name!


Father,
In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, I plead the precious uncorruptable blood of Jesus over myself and my church and everything that belongs to us. I ask for giant warrior Angels to be loosed from Heaven to surround and protect us. As your war club and weapons of war I break down, undamn, and blow up all walls of protection around all witches, warlocks, wizards, satanists, and the like, and I break the power of all curses, hexes, vexes, spells, charms, fetishes, physic prayers, physic thought, all witchcraft, sorcery, magic, voodoo, all mind control, jinxes, potions, bewitchments, death, destruction, sickness, pain, torment, physic power, physic warfare, prayer chains, and everything else being sent my way or my family members way, and I return it and the demons to the senders right now!, SEVENFOLD, and I BIND it to them by the Blood of Jesus!

Father, I pray that these lost souls will find the light of your son Jesus.. Their own snares and traps have been set against themselves.. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth I now loose them from all mindcontrol of satan!.. Father I also ask that you Bind the Holy Spirit to there hearts as a guide to your son Jesus.. So they may be set free from the bondages of satan.

In Jesus name I pray..
Amen