[Thomas Taylor]

Re: Like some ideas with Babtism

Terrorist propaganda removed.

Don't you have someone to kidnap and execute boy?

[Izmael ibn Ibrahim]

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So muslims and jews are stupid? Or ignorant?

No that would be Christians. They are just terrified of us and always have been. Just look at the crusades and their wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and support of Israel. They will do whatever their silly corrupted little book tells them to do. Or whatever they think it tells them to do and that changes over time. The pope long ago though it justified the crusades and some today believe it justifies the atrocities in Palestine.

I never remember anyone mentioning Jesus Christ as God before Jesus Christ came to this planet. Moses, Noa, Abraham and Adam prayed to Allah, not to Jesus Christ.

FTFY. Yes, Christians are very fond of retroactively claiming the prophets as Christians, when in fact, like Jesus (p-b-u-h), they were all Muslims. Adam was the first Muslim.

Why don't you ask me to ask God what is true instead of relying solely on your preachment?

You should read the Qur'an for the truth. You want to find out if Jesus (p-b-u-h) was God and the Holy Spirit was God. The teaching of the trinity is polytheism. Try to get one of these guys to explain it to you in a way that makes sense and they can't. Jesus (p-b-u-h) was a prophet, he was definitely not God.

They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers. (Surah 5:72)

The Holy Spirit is not God either. In fact the verse Reverend Edward quoted earlier is Jesus prophesying the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). It's not about the Holy Spirit being God.

John 14:6 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

There is no verse that says the Holy Spirit is God except an interpolation in first John. The Qur'an is the pure message of Allah.

[Pim Pendergast]

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So muslims and jews are stupid? Or ignorant?

Yes, that goes without saying.

I never remember anyone mentioning Jesus Christ as God before Jesus Christ came to this planet. Moses, Noa, Abraham and Adam prayed to Elohim, not to Jesus Christ.

I've already mentioned how Abraham knew Jesus. Moses and Elijah also knew Jesus and that He would die for their sins.

Lk 9:28-36
28 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray.
29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment [was] white [and] glistering.
30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

Moses wrote about Jesus.

Jn 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

Jesus was King David's Lord.

Mat 22:42-45
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, [The Son] of David.
43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

The New Testament makes it clear what the Old Testament really means. Jesus tells us that these Old Testament saints believed in Him, even though it is not recorded in the Old Testament that any of them professed faith in Him or prayed to Him. Also, if the Old Testament prophets didn't believe in Jesus, why did they prophesy about His coming? And we know those prophecies were fulfilled because the New Testament tells us they were. Even prophecies by unknown prophets not recorded in the Scripture or anywhere else were fulfilled (Mat 2:23).

Why don't you ask me to ask God what is true instead of relying solely on your preachment?

What good is it to ask God when you won't listen to the answer that's right there in His Word?

[Pim Pendergast]

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How can you know nobody has changed the Bible

God has promised to preserve His Word.

Ps 12:6-7 The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

It would be great if everything came from the Holy Spirit.

The Bible did come from the Holy Spirit.

2 Tim 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Pet 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.

The Bible is called God's Word for a reason, you know. The Holy Spirit speaks to us through it. How else would the Holy Spirit speak to people? You're not one of those pentecostal types who believes the Holy Spirit speaks to you through your gut, are you? He tells you what color tie to choose in the morning and what to eat for breakfast.

Jesus is a God incarnate?

Yes.

Jn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Why did then Abraham pray to Elohim and not Jesus Christ?

Abraham knew Jesus.

Jn 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it], and was glad.

[Didymus Much]

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...Why don't you ask me to ask God what is true instead of relying solely on your preachment?...

Why would they trust you, when you deny the Bible?

[evasson]

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Friend, the Lord Speaks through the Bible to us.


John
14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Jesus is the Word and IS God.

John
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus(the Word; Ephesians 5:26) is the Holy Ghost and is God, who shed His Soul Cleansing Blood.

Acts
20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Colossians
1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

The Word did return to Himself, while still remaining on earth as Himself, through Himself, by beseeching Himself, to send Himself to us, while returning to Himself by ensuring that Himself is still active in the earth.

Isaiah
55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Friend, this is very clear.

So muslims and jews are stupid? Or ignorant?

I never remember anyone mentioning Jesus Christ as God before Jesus Christ came to this planet. Moses, Noa, Abraham and Adam prayed to Elohim, not to Jesus Christ.

Why don't you ask me to ask God what is true instead of relying solely on your preachment?

"Please God, almigthy God, the one and only God, help me know if Jesus Christ was you or a prophet?"

[evasson]

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How can you know nobody has changed the Bible, it would be great if everything came from the Holy Spirit.

Jesus is a God incarnate? Why did then Abraham pray to Elohim and not Jesus Christ?

[Rev. Edward Clement]

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It is allways better to trust God and the Holy Spirit more then the Bible atleast this is what I would recommend.

You are absolutely wrong friend, it is not the Lord you are following then because the Lord WILL NOT violate His Own Word®.

Psalm
89:34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.

Matthew
24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

[Rev. Edward Clement]

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I like this, but God and HolySpirit are different from the Bible.

Friend, the Lord Speaks through the Bible to us.


John
14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Jesus is the Word and IS God.

John
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus(the Word; Ephesians 5:26) is the Holy Ghost and is God, who shed His Soul Cleansing Blood.

Acts
20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Colossians
1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

The Word did return to Himself, while still remaining on earth as Himself, through Himself, by beseeching Himself, to send Himself to us, while returning to Himself by ensuring that Himself is still active in the earth.

Isaiah
55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Friend, this is very clear.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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It is allways better to trust God and the Holy Spirit more then the Bible atleast this is what I would recommend.

Listen up, heathen: Without the Holy Bible, what would we know about God? Do you think we should just make God up? Use our perverted, sinful imagination instead of the Holy Word of God!?

[evasson]

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That's True Christianity™ in a nutshell. Why you would trust your own judgement, what you see and hear, more than the Bible, I will never know.

It is allways better to trust God and the Holy Spirit more then the Bible atleast this is what I would recommend.

[evasson]

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Friend, the Bible tells us not to follow what we think is right by our own understanding.

Proverbs
3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

The Lord speaks through us; therefore, He thinks for us.

Matthew

10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

I like this, but God and HolySpirit are different from the Bible. We know Paulus denied Jesus Christ (if we trust the Bible), what does this tell us about the Apostel Paulus?

[evasson]

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His own hearth, or the hearth of God.

Ofcourse I trust more God, then myself.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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You trust less your own judgement then the Bibles?

He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered. -- Proverbs 28:26

[Didymus Much]

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So the "real", "true" religion will only happen at some time in the future?

If that is true, then God has pre-condemned to everlasting torment in Hell everyone unfortunate enough to live before that time, because they (and we are part of that "they") never had a chance to be exposed to the "real" "true" religion.

If that is true, then God is a monster who deserves no worship, hence is not God, and that "religion" you foresee is naught but a sham.

God (by definition) must be eternal and unchanging.

Science can only validate what is true or not in the Bible, ofcourse some parts of the New Testament are originally from God.

That's nice, too bad it has NOTHING to do with my post.

Doing you more courtesy than you've shown me:

2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

What standard do you use to determine which parts are from God, and which parts can be safely ignored?