[LetMeMockJesus]

Re: Hi!

Pastor, I was simply answering James's question, nothing more, nothing less.

James is a Christian, and thus it applies to him under your logic, correct?

Am I misunderstanding anything here?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hi!

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

I never claimed that it did. BUT, right there ^

That Scripture applies to CHRISTIANS, not unsaved scum such as yourself. Anyway, why would you care what the Bible says?

The Holy Bible foretold that your tribe wouldn't be able to understand Scripture properly, because your father is satan.

John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

[LetMeMockJesus]

Re: Hi!

Where in the Holy Bible, does it tell you to question anything? Why would God give us all the answers to everything important if He wanted us to ask questions?

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

I never claimed that it did. BUT, right there ^

[LetMeMockJesus]

Re: Hi!

I am not a moderator, just a humble servant of God. Private Messaging is a privilege not extended to unsaved scum such as yourself. My email link can be found at the bottom of my signature, if you are in need of Christian Counseling.

Pastor Ezekiel,

Thank you for answering the PM question. I asked for a moderator because that is the person whom I am looking to contact in regards to forum policy.

If you are not a forum moderator, then my question was not meant for you, although I appreciate the response. If you are, please identify yourself as such so I know you are the one I am looking for.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Hi!

.......... I still assert that the scripture is again subject to the question itself, .......... I cannot find it.

You refuse to look at the Truths sitting and bouncing on your lap. To deny them is to deny the Perfection of God.

Where in the Holy Bible, does it tell you to question anything? Why would God give us all the answers to everything important if He wanted us to ask questions?

Looks to me like someone is due a tuition refund.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hi!

Moderator, is there a method for private messaging members or yourself? I cannot find it.

I am not a moderator, just a humble servant of God. Private Messaging is a privilege not extended to unsaved scum such as yourself. My email link can be found at the bottom of my signature, if you are in need of Christian Counseling.

And by the way, this IS about your Salvation. Why do you think Jesus called you here to His favorite forum?

[LetMeMockJesus]

Re: Hi!

Bioggy, I am not questioning everything here, just one thing. I have plenty of problems besides the need to question things, but we are not discussing my problems nor my salvation here. We are, I hope, discussing the question at hand, which has been answered.

God tells us to have faith.

Hebrews 11:1 11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Faith is a wonderous gift to all humanity.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

With faith as our nourishment we need only hold to that faith above all Earthly considerations.

Matthew 6:25 "Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?"

God could be lying but my faith overrides my critical thinking.

YIC

Dr Niles, thank you. Even though I still assert that the scripture is again subject to the question itself, your response satisfactorily answers my question. To confirm and distill what you've said, your belief that the Bible is the irrefutable Word of God and that everything in it is true is based purely and simply upon the faith that it is so.

Is this consistent with what you have told me?


Moderator, is there a method for private messaging members or yourself? I cannot find it.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hi!

Read THIS thread for answers to your unsaved questions.

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[bioggy]

Re: Hi!

The problem you have is you question everything, have you took the time to sit down and study the Bible? have you prayed and asked the lord to show you the Holy Spirit?.

You can ask all the questions in the world but unless you look for your self you will never find Salvation.

We have air you cannot see it but we use it, but again you can say on science proves it is there, well science is a man made vice they search for the explanation but if they can't find one they make a mathmatical equation that will answer it.

So all in all they develop a method that will answer their own questions.

Christians use the Bible where all the answers are written from long ago which proves science doesn't have all answers or made up ones.

There is only one answer to every thing that is God.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

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The inconsistency is still raised that if God can and does tell lies, then you cannot hold that His claiming that the Bible is His word is 100% accurate, as He may have been lying. Again, I'm not saying it's not true, I'm questioning the substantiation, not the belief.

God tells us to have faith.

Hebrews 11:1 11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Faith is a wonderous gift to all humanity.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

With faith as our nourishment we need only hold to that faith above all Earthly considerations.

Matthew 6:25 "Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?"

God could be lying but my faith overrides my critical thinking.

YIC

[LetMeMockJesus]

Re: Hi!

Why should one assume God does not tell lies?

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Does this make it any clearer?

YIC

I did not assume that he does not, in fact, I proposed that he does. Your scripture quotes do certainly do enforce the point that God can lie, though that was not in question. The inconsistency is still raised that if God can and does tell lies, then you cannot hold that His claiming that the Bible is His word is 100% accurate, as He may have been lying.

Again, I'm not saying it's not true, I'm questioning the substantiation, not the belief.

Ah, I see the source of your confusion, friend! You think this fact is assumptive, when in actuality, it is a known fact. There is irrefutable evidence to show this...

Hi Mary, thank you for your response. A know fact can still be assumptive. If the evidence you speak of is in scripture it is still subject to my first question. Please see my above response to Dr Niles.

[LetMeMockJesus]

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Of course you have. Rudely ignored me, asked childish quetions, ones had you read the required reading material first, you's never ask. Community colleges let just anyone in.

James,

if you felt ignored I certainly apologize. Actually, you asked if I had any questions and I did in fact ask some, so I actually did not ignore you and I appreciate your responses.

I did read the relative readings and I actually included what I had found while stating my question as the common "response" I mentioned. If I am in error please tell me.

And I agree, community colleges do let nearly anyone in. Fortunately, I received my degrees from a full-scale university.

Again, beyond the perceived maturity or validity of the question, I would very much appreciate a clarification for it.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Hi!

Interesting.

Well I have another question and I can't post anywhere else yet so I'll ask it here.

All the beliefs here seem to be predicated on the assumptive fact that the Bible is the irrefutable Word of God.

Ah, I see the source of your confusion, friend! You think this fact is assumptive, when in actuality, it is a known fact. There is irrefutable evidence to show this. Really, all you need to do is read the Holy Bible with an open mind, ask the Holy Spirit to reveal itself to you. Would you like a True Christian™ sponsor to pray for you while you undergo this life-changing act? In the meantime, you can look through our informative and Biblically Guaranteed Bible Study Threads HERE.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

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Interesting.

Well I have another question and I can't post anywhere else yet so I'll ask it here.

All the beliefs here seem to be predicated on the assumptive fact that the Bible is the irrefutable Word of God.

The question has been posed as "How do you know it's the Word of God" to which the response is "It says so in the Bible."

I cannot see how you can prove the validity of something based on its own claims, when it is the validity of that claim that is itself in question.

Unless we or God are incapable of lying, then simply stating something does not imply that it is factual. If however, you claim that the Bible is indisputably the Word of God simply because that is what it claims itself to be, you also must accept that God is incapable of lying. If He can lie, then the Bible's claim that it is His word could be a lie also (regardless of whether he would even do so).

I am asserting that the statement alone is insufficient evidence (not that it is wrong, per-say). There must be an independent source.

Again, I'm not attacking, slandering, or debasing anyone's claims. I don't understand this point, but I wish to understand the reasoning.

Why should one assume God does not tell lies?

1 Kings 22:19-24 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left. And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner. And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade [him], and prevail also: go forth, and do so. Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

Jeremiah 4:10
Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.

Jeremiah 20:7
O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.

2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

2 Chronicles 18:22
Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.

Ezekiel 14:9
And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.

But he also tells us that we must obey Him to avoid Hell.

Psalm 9:17 "The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God."

Does this make it any clearer?

YIC

[bioggy]

Re: Hi!

I am not particularly religious, but I didn't come here to argue or prove anyone right or wrong

You are not religious yet "Location: Doing satan's bidding".

Clearly you are mocking God