Concerned

[Imperfect Christian]

Hello all.
I came here after stumbling across this site and frankly I'm concerned. If so many of you are followers in Christ as you claim, then why do you talk with so much hate? God loved us enough to send his perfect Son here to save us when none of us deserved it. NONE deserve it. I don't deserve it, you don't deserve it. Yet I go seeing things like "Unsaved trash" and talks of hoping other people burn in hell around this site. Brothers and sisters, this is not Christ-like. Jesus himself did not come to condemn the world but to save it. Too many of you I've seen that are too quick to judge and condemn others when you yourself are no different. We have all sinned, and to deny that is to lie. I fear that this site is supporting a sad arrogance among Christians, a view that they are better or higher than the rest of the sinners when in fact we aren't. We just accepted the gracious gift of our Lord and Savior!
I pray that you all will open your hearts and allow it to overflow with the unending love of God so that others can see it and feel it flowing from you as well. I pray that God opens your eyes to see this and turn from the ways of judgment, condemnation, and hatred for sinners. The simple truth is that if God did as I've seen many do on this site we would all burn in hell for our sins, regardless of what they are.

[Nobar King]

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The simple truth is that if God did as I've seen many do on this site we would all burn in hell for our sins, regardless of what they are.

Are you denying the existence of Hell or God's plan for nonbelievers?

[Imperfect Christian]

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Are you denying the existence of Hell or God's plan for nonbelievers?

Not at all! I'm leaving the judgment of our sins to one that is perfect, our God, and allowing Him to decide who goes to hell and who is saved. It is not our job to do that, but rather to love one another (even enemies) as God loves us. He loved us in our sin enough to have Jesus die for us. I am just concerned that my brothers and sisters here are caught up in a sense of superiority that they have forgotten this, that we would end up in hell along with every nonbeliever and every other sinner since we are no different from them besides accepting Jesus.

[Didymus Much]

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Blah, blah, blah. If you're not perfect, you're not good enough for God.

James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

Oh, and, "Here is where you introduce yourself. Tell us what church you go to and what your favorite Bible verse is and how you came to find Jesus." <--- That. Thanks.

[James Hutchins]

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Hello all.
I came here after stumbling across this site and frankly I'm concerned. If so many of you are followers in Christ as you claim, then why do you talk with so much hate? God loved us enough to send his perfect Son here to save us when none of us deserved it. NONE deserve it. I don't deserve it, you don't deserve it. Yet I go seeing things like "Unsaved trash" and talks of hoping other people burn in hell around this site. Brothers and sisters, this is not Christ-like. Jesus himself did not come to condemn the world but to save it. Too many of you I've seen that are too quick to judge and condemn others when you yourself are no different. We have all sinned, and to deny that is to lie. I fear that this site is supporting a sad arrogance among Christians, a view that they are better or higher than the rest of the sinners when in fact we aren't. We just accepted the gracious gift of our Lord and Savior!
I pray that you all will open your hearts and allow it to overflow with the unending love of God so that others can see it and feel it flowing from you as well. I pray that God opens your eyes to see this and turn from the ways of judgment, condemnation, and hatred for sinners. The simple truth is that if God did as I've seen many do on this site we would all burn in hell for our sins, regardless of what they are.

Friend, welcome!
Often, I see people just like you. Full of questions. No answers. Walking up to every person they meet. Begging to be told. Things as simple as 'Should I cross the street?' Why do you think this is?
The answers friend, are all in the Holy Bible. Any question you can possibly think of, God has already provided the answer to. Which makes sense because He made us.
Now, being you are new to the world and are obviously rather clueless, I'll do a little reading of the KJV for you and give you some of the answers for your questions.
Regarding Judging of People:
Leviticus 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

Psalm 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

Proverbs 31:9 Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

1st Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1st Corinthians 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

1st Corinthians 6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
1st Corinthians 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1st Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?.
1st Corinthians 6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
1st Corinthians 6:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
1st Corinthians 6:6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.

2nd Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2nd Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2nd Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2nd Timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2nd Timothy 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.


Followed up by Gods Choosing Us (True Christians(tm)) over Unsaved Trash (r) like you:
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

1st John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


Why we are Divinely Correct and you are Hellously Wrong:
Isaiah 29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

Matthew 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

John 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
John 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

John 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

1st Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1st Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1st Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1st Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

1st Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1st Corinthians 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
1st Corinthians 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1st Corinthians 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1st Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

1st Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1st Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

1st Corinthians 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1st Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1st Corinthians 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
Jude 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jude 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jude 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.


Now, if you find I quoted His Word wrong, please let me know. I could make a mistake. After all, I am merely a True Christian(tm) and not God.

Now, how about you show a little common courtesy and read the section about new visitors to our friendly forum.

[Imperfect Christian]

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I do not appreciate or understand the assumptions that have been made about me and the few things I've said here thus far (e.g. denying the existence of Hell, being "full of questions" having "no answers" and being "clueless"). But upon further reading around on the forums it seems my words most likely fall on deaf ears. I suppose I'm not familiar with the god you're serving, but my God is loving and His people demonstrate fruits of the spirit Galatians 5:22-23. These fruits are not apparent here from what I've seen. Nor is the grace of God seen in John 8:1-11 apparent.
I had hoped to not have been met with the arrogance of mortal men, but that went unmet as well. I also hoped that those who call themselves Christians would have met me with more respect for a brother who sincerely seeks God and reads the Bible. I was wrong in that as well.

For the glory of my Lord Jesus I say I'm imperfect and a wretched sinner, one that has only been saved and guided by Him through His love and mercy.
But to show respect for you and answer the questions of the introduction, I do not go to church but am a member of the church of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:12-26), I have not yet picked out a single verse out of God's word to consider somehow more important than every other, and I came to really find Jesus after arrogantly thinking I shouldn't be saved even though Jesus came to save me, a situation that drove me near to suicide a few years ago. God spoke through a brother in Christ to tell me that He loves me and wants me to be saved and so I really found Jesus.

[James Hutchins]

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I do not appreciate or understand the assumptions that have been made about me and the few things I've said here thus far (e.g. denying the existence of Hell, being "full of questions" having "no answers" and being "clueless"). But upon further reading around on the forums it seems my words most likely fall on deaf ears. I suppose I'm not familiar with the god you're serving, but my God is loving and His people demonstrate fruits of the spirit Galatians 5:22-23. These fruits are not apparent here from what I've seen. Nor is the grace of God seen in John 8:1-11 apparent.
I had hoped to not have been met with the arrogance of mortal men, but that went unmet as well. I also hoped that those who call themselves Christians would have met me with more respect for a brother who sincerely seeks God and reads the Bible. I was wrong in that as well.

For the glory of my Lord Jesus I say I'm imperfect and a wretched sinner, one that has only been saved and guided by Him through His love and mercy.
But to show respect for you and answer the questions of the introduction, I do not go to church but am a member of the church of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:12-26), I have not yet picked out a single verse out of God's word to consider somehow more important than every other, and I came to really find Jesus after arrogantly thinking I shouldn't be saved even though Jesus came to save me, a situation that drove me near to suicide a few years ago. God spoke through a brother in Christ to tell me that He loves me and wants me to be saved and so I really found Jesus.

Friend, no assumptions are being made about you. We only care about what God thinks. Don't you care what He thnks?

Were not my scripture posts correct? Tell me, do you follow all of the Holy Bible or do you skip some of it?

[Imperfect Christian]

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I would call some of the statements made about me assumptions (e.g. "clueless" "unsaved trash") considering you couldn't know those things by any means known to me including the Bible. Otherwise I'd be delighted to learn of how you came to know those inaccurate things.

I also care about what God thinks. That's what really matters, after all.
As for the scriptures you posted being correct, I'm not sure what you're asking. If you are asking if the scriptures as you posted them were accurate, i.e. actually what the Bible says in those verses, then yes. If you asking if they prove your point, I don't think so. What about the scripture I posted? Is that correct?
As for following all of the Bible, I do, as far as I know. I don't skip any of it, but I am not perfect and I'm still learning.

[James Hutchins]

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I would call some of the statements made about me assumptions (e.g. "clueless" "unsaved trash") considering you couldn't know those things by any means known to me including the Bible. Otherwise I'd be delighted to learn of how you came to know those inaccurate things.

I also care about what God thinks. That's what really matters, after all.
As for the scriptures you posted being correct, I'm not sure what you're asking. If you are asking if the scriptures as you posted them were accurate, i.e. actually what the Bible says in those verses, then yes. If you asking if they prove your point, I don't think so. What about the scripture I posted? Is that correct?
As for following all of the Bible, I do, as far as I know. I don't skip any of it, but I am not perfect and I'm still learning.

Friend, if the scripture I posted is correct, do you think any of it applies to you?

Just so you know, yes, the scripture you posted is valid, when used as God intended. Tell me, do you know His intentions?

[Imperfect Christian]

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I would appreciate the courtesy of you answering the question I gave you after I answered your questions before asking me more.

[James Hutchins]

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I would appreciate the courtesy of you answering the question I gave you after I answered your questions before asking me more.

Friend, it appears you have some comprehension issues. It would explain a lot.

Friend, if the scripture I posted is correct, do you think any of it applies to you?

Just so you know, yes, the scripture you posted is valid, when used as God intended. Tell me, do you know His intentions?

[Imperfect Christian]

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My bad for making a mistake. We are all imperfect, after all. Apologies to you and I hope you are forgiving like God is. But now I'm curious, why is my mistake a sign of "comprehension issues" and what do they explain?
Of course scripture applies to me.
And I make no claim to know all of God's intentions. Do you know God's intentions?

Also, I noticed you have an "eats the most pork" award. What about Deuteronomy 14:8?

[James Hutchins]

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My bad for making a mistake. We are all imperfect, after all. Apologies to you and I hope you are forgiving like God is. But now I'm curious, why is my mistake a sign of "comprehension issues" and what do they explain?
Of course scripture applies to me.
And I make no claim to know all of God's intentions. Do you know God's intentions?

Also, I noticed you have an "eats the most pork" award. What about Deuteronomy 14:8?

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I would appreciate the courtesy of you answering the question I gave you after I answered your questions before asking me more.
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[Imperfect Christian]

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"
I would appreciate the courtesy of you answering the question I gave you after I answered your questions before asking me more.
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I'm unaware of any questions I didn't answer. If you could point them out I would appreciate it.

[James Hutchins]

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Friend, try reading more and not questioning Gods Word. It is perfect, you are not.