[Pim Pendergast]

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Heaven is not the reward of the saved, or the promise of God given to our father abraham. Reigning with Christ here on earth under the heavens is. You know nothing and have no wisdom

How will we be able to reign on earth after it has been destroyed by fire?

2 Pet 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I know that hell holds unspeakable pain and torture for all unrepentant sinners. God tells me so, so I know it to be true.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

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Brother Moss, Has anyone done any studies regarding the actual temperature of hell? I am sorry to be such a silly woman - interrupting a thread and all - but my foolish woman side is just gushing with curiosity. Bless you! NRL

Well, the Lake of Fire burns with molten sulfur and flames. Also, since it's below ground, it would be sort of like an oven and keep the heat in.

I expect it's pretty hot.

You're correct Brother Moss, according to Revelation 21:8 the Lake of Fire is sulfur (brimstone).

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

- Revelation 21:8

As to the exact temperature of Hell, that is a little more complex. We have our God mockers out there that claim that Heaven is hotter than Hell (http://www.greatplay.net/uselessia/a...avenhhell.html), but as usual the atheists and God mockers just don't know their science very well. Their assumption is that hell can't be any hotter than the vaporization temperature of sulfur - which is obviously wrong. That would be like saying your gas oven can't get any hotter than the vaporization temperature of natural gas (-256 deg F).

The meddlesome nanny state Federal Government has required that the fuel used in Hell have a MSDS (excerpted below) that can assist us in at least setting a lower bound for the temperature of hell. We can see that the vaporization temperature of sulfur is 832 deg F.

The upper bound is a complicated thing to calculate because we don't know how big Hell really is or the thermal conductivity properties of its boundaries. We do know that the adiabatic flame temperature of burning sulfur is 3,089 deg F - which is, as you pointed out, pretty damn hot.

SULFUR MSDS

FLASH POINT: 405 deg F
AUTOIGNITION TEMPERATURE: 450 deg F
BOILING POINT: 832 deg F
MELTING POINT: 235 to 248 deg F
VAPOR PRESSURE: 4x10-6 mm Hg @ 86 deg F

http://www.hovensa.com/pdf/sulfur.pdf

[Didymus Much]

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glad you asked lets start with matthew 5..blesses are the meek...inherit the earth. John recored in revelation 5 and has made them (the saints) unto our God kings and priests and they shall feign on the earth. Daniel 7 and there given Him (Jesus) dominion and glory and a kingdom that all people nations and languages ....that shall not be destroyed. Revelation 3 he that overcomes... jude 3. Revelations 20 john 3 no man has ascended... acts 2. Acts 3 acts 5. Shall i go on? Heaven is not the reward of the saved, or the promise of God given to our father abraham. Reigning with Christ here on earth under the heavens is. You know nothing and have no wisdom

Yeah, that pretty much proves that there was a "first age" billions of years ago.

Just mentioning chapters in the Bible does not make your case in any way, shape or form. Cite the verses that contain the "proof" of your claim, and explain WHY your interpretation is correct.

And: PROOFREAD. There's a "Preview Post" button available underneath the box where you type in your response. USE IT. If your meaning is not clear, and someone misunderstands it (because of the grammatical, spelling, or other errors your posts are rife with), it is YOUR failure, not theirs.

And yes, I know that the Bible says that no man has gone to Heaven. I also know that it implies Enoch went there (perhaps you'd like to take this chance to offer an alternate explanation for Genesis 5:24, do your best to make it at least semi-coherent) and it EXPLICITLY states that Lazarus (from the rich man and Lazarus story, not the raised-from-the-dead Lazarus) IS in Heaven. But that blatant contradiction is only a problem for me; being without faith, I lack the "discernment" to understand that someone could be in Heaven and not at the same time if the Bible says they are, because there couldn't be anything in the Bible which contradicts something else in the Babble because it's God's perfect word and all that. So maybe you could help me understand that bit?

[Mary Etheldreda]

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glad you asked lets start with matthew 5..blesses are the meek...inherit the earth. John recored in revelation 5 and has made them (the saints) unto our God kings and priests and they shall feign on the earth. Daniel 7 and there given Him (Jesus) dominion and glory and a kingdom that all people nations and languages ....that shall not be destroyed. Revelation 3 he that overcomes... jude 3. Revelations 20 john 3 no man has ascended... acts 2. Acts 3 acts 5. Shall i go on? Heaven is not the reward of the saved, or the promise of God given to our father abraham. Reigning with Christ here on earth under the heavens is. You know nothing and have no wisdom

If you do go on, kindly preview your posts and edit as necessary so they make better sense. As far as True Christians ruling the earth, this much is true (Revelation 5:10). Why, one of our very first responsibilities will be to judge the very angels (1 Corinthians 6:2-3)! That will be so awesome, don't you think? But as far as eternity, you seem to be confused, dear. You see, the LORD will reward us with new, immortal bodies (1 Corinthians 15:42-44; Revelation 21:4). Our Heavenly reward has not yet been delivered to us, we can know with confidence, because we do not yet see God and are not yet like him (1 John 3:2). But True Christians™ can be confident in expecting these rewards after Jesus' Glorious Return!

As far as Mr. Much having no wisdom, that is true, for the fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom (Proverbs 1:7), and he has no fear of the LORD. However, he is a crafty fellow, and is surprisingly knowledgeable in the Word of God. He is not an easy target for evangelism. Pastor Ezekiel has been working with him personally, trying to lay hands on him for years now, but Mr. Much seems to avoid these loving advances. We keep him in our prayers of course, that the Holy Ghost may show him he is wrong and we are right.

[Alvin Moss]

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Well, the Lake of Fire burns with molten sulfur and flames. Also, since it's below ground, it would be sort of like an oven and keep the heat in.

I expect it's pretty hot.

[Naomi Ruth Lamb]

Re: Greetings!

You reveal yourself as an unsaved wretch and Hell bound as a sinful follower of some false religion.

I don't know what kind of "first age" there was "billions of years ago", but I do know this: God Himself made the Earth in the dark mists of prehistory, over 6,000 years ago. Before that, there was always God, but no Earth and thus, no first age.

Get your facts straight and avoid the religion of science. That cult lies squarely on the path to Hell.

Don't go there; it's too hot.

Brother Moss, Has anyone done any studies regarding the actual temperature of hell? I am sorry to be such a silly woman - interrupting a thread and all - but my foolish woman side is just gushing with curiosity. Bless you! NRL

[Alvin Moss]

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your straight comedy..we are not promised an etenal life in heaven. No man has ascended to heaven fools. Jesus preached the kingdom of God.in which He has been given authority to rule. That kingdom is going to be right here on earth, restored to what it was billions of yrs ago in the first world age. Your following the rulers of darkness what are you going to do when we stand in the synagog of satan and you wont be able to pop off your decieved doctrine. Not to worry though you will still be able to get in on the inheritance. While awaiting your judgement. Gain wisdom and most of all gain understanding.

You reveal yourself as an unsaved wretch and Hell bound as a sinful follower of some false religion.

I don't know what kind of "first age" there was "billions of years ago", but I do know this: God Himself made the Earth in the dark mists of prehistory, over 6,000 years ago. Before that, there was always God, but no Earth and thus, no first age.

Get your facts straight and avoid the religion of science. That cult lies squarely on the path to Hell.

Don't go there; it's too hot.

[Joeulman12]

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your straight comedy..we are not promised an etenal life in heaven. No man has ascended to heaven fools. Jesus preached the kingdom of God.in which He has been given authority to rule. That kingdom is going to be right here on earth, restored to what it was billions of yrs ago in the first world age. Your following the rulers of darkness what are you going to do when we stand in the synagog of satan and you wont be able to pop off your decieved doctrine. Not to worry though you will still be able to get in on the inheritance. While awaiting your judgement. Gain wisdom and most of all gain understanding.

glad you asked lets start with matthew 5..blesses are the meek...inherit the earth. John recored in revelation 5 and has made them (the saints) unto our God kings and priests and they shall feign on the earth. Daniel 7 and there given Him (Jesus) dominion and glory and a kingdom that all people nations and languages ....that shall not be destroyed. Revelation 3 he that overcomes... jude 3. Revelations 20 john 3 no man has ascended... acts 2. Acts 3 acts 5. Shall i go on? Heaven is not the reward of the saved, or the promise of God given to our father abraham. Reigning with Christ here on earth under the heavens is. You know nothing and have no wisdom

[Esther B.]

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Welcome, Mr. Petrus! It's nice to see that someone has actually read the instructions for making an introduction!

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Hi there! I am a young christian male from Europe,

I sort of gathered the "male" bit from your name. However, I got to thinking... are there many women in Europe called Johannes?

Scriptural support for ANY of that crap?

He's probably Catholic. They'll believe anything.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Greetings!

your straight comedy..we are not promised an etenal life in heaven. No man has ascended to heaven fools. Jesus preached the kingdom of God.in which He has been given authority to rule. That kingdom is going to be right here on earth, restored to what it was billions of yrs ago in the first world age. Your following the rulers of darkness what are you going to do when we stand in the synagog of satan and you wont be able to pop off your decieved doctrine. Not to worry though you will still be able to get in on the inheritance. While awaiting your judgement. Gain wisdom and most of all gain understanding.

Scriptural support for ANY of that crap?

[Joeulman12]

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Hey Mr. Petrus! Welcome to our friendly forums. We're happy you're here, too. You should feel very lucky: not many people have the privilege of knowing the cell phone number of . You can be certain that the senior pastors of Landover Baptist Church have Him on speed dial.

I look forward to getting to know you better as we serve our in the spirit of grace and truth.

Brother Larry

your straight comedy..we are not promised an etenal life in heaven. No man has ascended to heaven fools. Jesus preached the kingdom of God.in which He has been given authority to rule. That kingdom is going to be right here on earth, restored to what it was billions of yrs ago in the first world age. Your following the rulers of darkness what are you going to do when we stand in the synagog of satan and you wont be able to pop off your decieved doctrine. Not to worry though you will still be able to get in on the inheritance. While awaiting your judgement. Gain wisdom and most of all gain understanding.

[Cranky Old Man]

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Welcome to God's favorite forum!

I also don't think I can use my real name, since I fear that I could quickly become a social outcast, as the people in my country look down on those who truly belive. They do accept gays and black people as "normal"...

I hope you can respect that.

You are making a huge mistake there. You should invite people to persecuted you instead of avoiding it.

Matthew 5:10
King James Version (KJV)

10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

[Brother Larry]

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Hi!
Thank you all very much for the warm welcoming!
I am very happy that you seem to share my veiwpoints, and that there is a place in Heaven even for me.

God Bless!
- L.

Hey Mr. Petrus! Welcome to our friendly forums. We're happy you're here, too. You should feel very lucky: not many people have the privilege of knowing the cell phone number of . You can be certain that the senior pastors of Landover Baptist Church have Him on speed dial.

I look forward to getting to know you better as we serve our in the spirit of grace and truth.

Brother Larry