[TaniaM]

Re: Hi, how are you

Oh, hello there. Welcome. You're being insolent and rude. I don't like you.

I like you, because Jesus is in you. Step down from your high horse and prostrate your sorry self in front of the Jesus that is in me or remain unsaved trash!

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Hi, how are you

I have read the bible he gave me from cover to cover . . . I am at a loss as to which teaching of god is the correct one as I am unfamiliar with the differences and am trying to give each one it's fair chance.

So your reading of the Bible didn't lead you to the conclusion that Baptists must be right? Did you read it with your eyes closed?

As for Leviticus' laws.

The laws in the Old Testament were set forth by god as the rules the Hebrews needed to follow in order to be righteous, to atone for the sin of Adam and Eve and to be able to get into Heaven. That is also why they were required make sacrifices, because it was part of the appeasement for Original Sin.

According to Christian theology, when Jesus came from Heaven, it was for the express purpose of sacrificing himself on the cross so that our sins may be forgiven. His sacrifice was supposed to be the ultimate act that would free us from the former laws and regulations and allow us to enter Heaven by acting in his image. That is why said "it is finished" when he died on the cross. That is why Christians don't have to circumcise their sons (god's covenant with Jacob), that is why they don't have to perform animal sacrifice, or grow out their forelocks, or follow any of the other laws of Leviticus.

When you quote Leviticus as god's law and say they are rules we must follow because they are saying what God or Jesus wants us to do, what you are really saying, as a Christian, is that Christ's sacrifice on the cross was invalid and that he died in vain because you believe we are still beholden to the old laws.

That is what you, a self-professed good Christian, are saying to your god and his son, that their plan for your salvation wasn't good enough for you.

I believe your answers have all enlightened me enough about Baptism.

Maybe you should actually read the bible before you start quoting it, as the implications of your action go deeper than you think.

I wrote a thread for fluffy-bunny Christians like you who don't believe the Old Testament applies anymore: You can’t be a Christian if you don’t believe the Old Testament.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hi, how are you

Maybe the same reason that he approves of torturing and raping the innocent apparently?

Uhm excuse me? God didn't have those people tortured and raped for no reason. Just because you don't know what that reason is, it doesn't follow that there is none.

[Basilissa]

Re: Hi, how are you

Maybe the same reason that he approves of torturing and raping the innocent apparently?

He does, and we have the Biblical proof for that.

Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Psalm 137:9
Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

Sorry, but the way I see it, following the atrocities of this abusive cult-esque following would land me in hell far faster than any whore-mongering or defilement.[/QUOTE]

You haven't provided any proof that God actually did change His mind and abolished the OT rules. Would you care to provide me with a Bible quote to prove me wrong?

[Elijah Mee, PhD]

Re: Hi, how are you

Maybe the same reason that he approves of torturing and raping the innocent apparently?

Sorry, but the way I see it, following the atrocities of this abusive cult-esque following would land me in hell far faster than any whore-mongering or defilement.

If it's cult-like to follow the Holy Bible down to the letter then consider me cult member #1, friend!

No offence but I feel like you would be better suited to another church. Perhaps somewhere like Westboro where they also have a habit of cuddly Christianity? I'm sure a cherry-picker like you would be more than welcome!

[Halleluyah Rob]

Re: Hi, how are you

Maybe the same reason that he approves of torturing and raping the innocent apparently?

Sorry, but the way I see it, following the atrocities of this abusive cult-esque following would land me in hell far faster than any whore-mongering or defilement.

You are the prime example of a cherry picking false Christian. You claim to follow Jesus yet you refute the laws He Himself has written! John 1:1
Absolutely unbelievable.

Romans 1:18. You will surely be damned.

[Draknirv]

Re: Hi, how are you

When you say that the laws have changed, you implied that God Himself has somehow changed. Why would He do that? Why would He have changed the rules so drastically?

Maybe the same reason that he approves of torturing and raping the innocent apparently?

Sorry, but the way I see it, following the atrocities of this abusive cult-esque following would land me in hell far faster than any whore-mongering or defilement.

[Elijah Mee, PhD]

Re: Hi, how are you

When you say that the laws have changed, you implied that God Himself has somehow changed. Why would He do that? Why would He have changed the rules so drastically?

I would just like to follow on from this with an extra question if you don't mind, Brother.

If God had intended for the Old Testament rules to be voided by Jesus's sacrifice, don't you think He would've written that in the Bible?

[Halleluyah Rob]

Re: Hi, how are you

Morally decaying? Sir, I don't mean to offend, but looking around the forums more, I found that there is a high-ranking member here whom has tags that speak POSITIVELY towards things like Torturing CHILDREN and purposely having your own daughter RAPED! What kind of morals are those?

Proverbs 23:13-14 clearly calls for discipline of children by rod.

1st Timothy 2:9 commands women to dress properly,
and Deuteronomy 22:28-29 dictates that women marry their rapist.

The thread you're referring to is authored by a well respected member of our Church. If you actually bothered to read the thread you'd acknowledge that it is Biblically sound.

As for your common mistaken theory that the Old Testament has been rendered invalid, read this.

Your insults directed at our Church will not be well received. Or perhaps they won't even be noticed, considering you lacked the decency to create your own introduction thread.

[Elijah Mee, PhD]

Re: Hi, how are you

Speak for yourself.

I thought I was. I am going to Heaven, friend!

Praise Him!

[Basilissa]

Re: Hi, how are you

Morally decaying? Sir, I don't mean to offend, but looking around the forums more, I found that there is a high-ranking member here whom has tags that speak POSITIVELY towards things like Torturing CHILDREN and purposely having your own daughter RAPED! What kind of morals are those?

God's. 100% of what we say is based on His Own Words.

As for Leviticus' laws.

The laws in the Old Testament were set forth by god as the rules the Hebrews needed to follow in order to be righteous, to atone for the sin of Adam and Eve and to be able to get into Heaven.

Of course. And things like slavery, killing homosexuals, and killing enemy babies and pregnant women was part of that.

According to Christian theology, when Jesus came from Heaven, it was for the express purpose of sacrificing himself on the cross so that our sins may be forgiven. His sacrifice was supposed to be the ultimate act that would free us from the former laws and regulations and allow us to enter Heaven by acting in his image.

That may be part of some errant "tradition," but it is not in the Bible. The only OT laws lifted by Jesus were dietary restrictions.

Otherwise, why would Jesus say this:

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

These are Jesus' words, not mine.

When you quote Leviticus as god's law and say they are rules we must follow because they are saying what God or Jesus wants us to do, what you are really saying, as a Christian, is that Christ's sacrifice on the cross was invalid and that he died in vain because you believe we are still beholden to the old laws.

When you say that the laws have changed, you implied that God Himself has somehow changed. Why would He do that? Why would He have changed the rules so drastically?

Maybe you should actually read the bible before you start quoting it, as the implications of your action go deeper than you think.

Oh, believe me, we've read it, and several times, too!

[Scott Scenter]

Re: Hi, how are you

There are a lot of requests for information on these threads and most of them can be dismissed as a simple signal from the devil. An eye wink, if you will, like something a cat does. It is a principle of any church to dismiss the actions of a common barnyard animal as unimportant, but the fact remains that ranchers often tithe in large amounts. It remains a problem for the church to discern that breeders are not amused by the insolent activities of the occasionally queer stud. The rancher, or shepherd for the simple minded, is never amused by talk about niggers and queers and is instead interested in developing a better and more productive breed of humans that will not suck on the teat of advertising and ignore the gospel.

[Draknirv]

Re: Hi, how are you

Heaven isn't for everyone, after all.

Speak for yourself.

[Elijah Mee, PhD]

Re: Hi, how are you

I believe your answers have all enlightened me enough about Baptism.

I feel it's better that you found out sooner rather than later, friend.

Heaven isn't for everyone, after all.

[Draknirv]

Re: Hi, how are you

You used homosexuality as an example of our "harshness". Romans 1:26-27 and Leviticus 20:13 clearly condemn homosexuality as an egregious offense against God. Is it not then righteous for us to go by what the LORD himself has told us and denounce these homosexuals? Unlike other "Christian" denominations, we do not cherry pick from the Bible and ignore the more "ugly" passages that people wish to forget exist. We take the entire package as it is, even if that means being criticized by our morally decaying modern society.

Morally decaying? Sir, I don't mean to offend, but looking around the forums more, I found that there is a high-ranking member here whom has tags that speak POSITIVELY towards things like Torturing CHILDREN and purposely having your own daughter RAPED! What kind of morals are those?

As for Leviticus' laws.

The laws in the Old Testament were set forth by god as the rules the Hebrews needed to follow in order to be righteous, to atone for the sin of Adam and Eve and to be able to get into Heaven. That is also why they were required make sacrifices, because it was part of the appeasement for Original Sin.

According to Christian theology, when Jesus came from Heaven, it was for the express purpose of sacrificing himself on the cross so that our sins may be forgiven. His sacrifice was supposed to be the ultimate act that would free us from the former laws and regulations and allow us to enter Heaven by acting in his image. That is why said "it is finished" when he died on the cross. That is why Christians don't have to circumcise their sons (god's covenant with Jacob), that is why they don't have to perform animal sacrifice, or grow out their forelocks, or follow any of the other laws of Leviticus.

When you quote Leviticus as god's law and say they are rules we must follow because they are saying what God or Jesus wants us to do, what you are really saying, as a Christian, is that Christ's sacrifice on the cross was invalid and that he died in vain because you believe we are still beholden to the old laws.

That is what you, a self-professed good Christian, are saying to your god and his son, that their plan for your salvation wasn't good enough for you.

I believe your answers have all enlightened me enough about Baptism.

Maybe you should actually read the bible before you start quoting it, as the implications of your action go deeper than you think.