[Oliver Brendan Hayve]

Re: My Response

No, I call few Bible translators and some Bible cribber as incompetent and unknowing. God is God, he is perfect. But humans are not perfect.

So God, despite being omnipotent, depends for whatever reason on "incompetent and unknowing" human beings to get His point across? That doesn't sound perfect to me.

[Dirtbag Nazi Childmolestor (Quarantined)]

Re: My Response

You just called your God an incompetent hack.

No, I call few Bible translators and some Bible cribber as incompetent and unknowing. God is God, he is perfect. But humans are not perfect.

[Dirtbag Nazi Childmolestor (Quarantined)]

Re: My Response

You are not answering my question.

I did, dude, but you don't wanna hear it.
What is translate as effeminates in your post, had Luther correctly translated as catamites (young male prostitutes). And Mr. Kittel published it in his Theological Dictionary of the New Testament at the same way. So "effeminate" isn't correct, it is CATAMITE. Even such a trash as you, can understand it.
And, I don't care, what you think about me, I'm a Christian and a woman. And I knew, that God and Jesus accept me as I am. And, juristically I'm also female. I can show you my birth certificate. It is legally changed from male to female.

[Oliver Brendan Hayve]

Re: My Response

The Bible is the Word of God. Pure and simple. This does not mean that the Bible is perfect or has been completely translated.

You just called your God an incompetent hack.

[Dirtbag Nazi Childmolestor (Quarantined)]

Re: My Response

That problem would be irrelevant to a Bible inspired and preserved by an omnipotent and omniscient God, right?

The Bible is the Word of God. Pure and simple. This does not mean that the Bible is perfect or has been completely translated. Most of this forum are idiots with blinders on, because they see only what they want to see. Not what really is!
Christ is gay! Paul was gay, the whole apostles are gay and make orgies.

[Oliver Brendan Hayve]

Re: My Response

At that time people were not as far as getting in their knowledge . They did not know that a Greek word twenty or more different meanings can have.

That problem would be irrelevant to a Bible inspired and preserved by an omnipotent and omniscient God, right?

[Basilissa]

Re: My Response

Finally a halfway reasonable question! Thank you .
This is easy to explain. The original texts were written in Aramaic / Hebrew and Greek. At that time people were not as far as getting in their knowledge . They did not know that a Greek word twenty or more different meanings can have. Take, for example, the word " malokoi " ( German spelling) , which is mentioned in Paul's Epistle to the Corinthians ( in all of us known quote about homosexuals The word can be translated as . :
soft, gentle , tender ; but also as a coward , a liar and effeminate. Here is an overview of the different Bible translations :

https://christiangays.com/articles/malakoi.shtml

Earlier translators brought it first with the masturbation related. It was only in the fifties was constructed as homosexual, a connection that is not consistent.
So if there was a conspiracy , then it came from homophobic fundamentalist Christians. Not from the Bible , and not even by the translators.

You are not answering my question. The word you mention is translated as effeminate, which in the Bible is listed alongside homosexuality, but does not mean homosexuality:

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

See? Being effeminate and committing homosexual act are two different sins.

Now let's have a look at the verse in Leviticus, shall we?

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

While the KJV version does not use the word "homosexuality" in this verse (some more recent translations do; see http://biblehub.com/parallel/leviticus/20-13.htm), it clearly condemns what today we call a homosexual act. However, this verse does not speak about being effeminate. (I don't know much about homosexuals, but from what I gather not all of them are effeminate anyway).

[Dirtbag Nazi Childmolestor (Quarantined)]

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Could you explain to me, then, why every single Bible translation translates it as "homosexuals" and not as "pederasts?" Is there some international conspiracy of Bible translators?

Finally a halfway reasonable question! Thank you .
This is easy to explain. The original texts were written in Aramaic / Hebrew and Greek. At that time people were not as far as getting in their knowledge . They did not know that a Greek word twenty or more different meanings can have. Take, for example, the word " malokoi " ( German spelling) , which is mentioned in Paul's Epistle to the Corinthians ( in all of us known quote about homosexuals The word can be translated as . :
soft, gentle , tender ; but also as a coward , a liar and effeminate. Here is an overview of the different Bible translations :

https://christiangays.com/articles/malakoi.shtml

Earlier translators brought it first with the masturbation related. It was only in the fifties was constructed as homosexual, a connection that is not consistent.
So if there was a conspiracy , then it came from homophobic fundamentalist Christians. Not from the Bible , and not even by the translators.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: My Response

Is there some international conspiracy of Bible translators?

And if so, what stops Almighty God from doing something about it, especially when He has promised to preserve His words (Psalm 12:6-7, Isaiah 40:8, Matthew 24:35)?

[Basilissa]

Re: My Response

Little fool if you believe that, you do not know the Bible said quotes! Because they ALL are not talking about a homosexual relationship, but about pederasts and their catamites. This is particularly evident in the 1st Corinthians, where Paul uses the words malokoi and arsenokoites.

Could you explain to me, then, why every single Bible translation translates it as "homosexuals" and not as "pederasts?" Is there some international conspiracy of Bible translators? (Hint: in addition to reading several English translations, I've also read the Bible in five other languages, including two non Indo-European).

It is a abuse of the Bible to use the texts differently than the writers meant.it

And that's exactly what you are doing with all of our fancy-shmancy dictionaries. You are reading too many commentaries and too little Bible, sweetie.

First of all, you outbreak at Hillbilly intelligence, I'm a lesbian, no lesbian slut.

Technically, you are an eunuch cheating lesbian women to think that he's a woman.

I'm not arrogant, but confident. I know what I know. And I know that I know much more about the subject than anyone I've met in this forum yet.

Which is why you just ignore the instances when somebody points out how wrong you are.

I'm going to stir things up here until you have deleted my account. That's a promise. And I'm used to keep my promise!

Go on. I have the whole day!

[Nobar King]

Re: My Response

It's almost as if you are trying to prove God doesn't exist...

Yeah, like that will ever happen!

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: My Response

I am referring to the Bible and biblical scholars. Most of them very devout men, as the theologian Norbert Greinacher. Or professionals like R. Scoggs and DS Bailey, but also the Theological Dictionary of the New Testamentpublished by Kittel

So you think you found some people who, just like you, think the Bible means the exact opposite of what it actually says. You are wrong on both accounts. The Bible means what it says, it's surprisingly simple that way. Also, I actually met Norbert Greinacher a long while ago and what he says and has written down is completely different from your utter nonsense. But it's no surprise that if you are incapable of reading the Bible you are incapable of reading other things as well.

Do you really not see how unlikely all this is? Do you really believe our almighty creator is powerful enough to create everything and everyone but incapable of creating a Bible that means what it says? Do you really honestly believe that God wrote the exact opposite in the Bible of what He actually meant to say? Are you really that stupid???

And even if your extremely unlikely theory that the translators completely changed the meaning of the Bible would be true. Would an almighty God really allow almost all his people to be so severely misled?

It's almost as if you are trying to prove God doesn't exist...

[Dirtbag Nazi Childmolestor (Quarantined)]

Re: My Response

Your claim to be familiar with dictionaries is a little hard to believe.

Come, visit me in Germany, and have a look at my library. And see the articles I have had written about this topic, even published in books (e.g. "Let our voices be heard - Lesbian Christians telling their stories", published by a Norwegian Christian, Randi Solberg). I knew much more about this topic, because I have studied it, than you or anybody else here.


BTW, to change my avatar wasn't mean, and not Christian like. Therefore, I post a witch to make a little joke about it.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: My Response

Is it to be very painful, ignorant and illiterate, or at least to do so? If there is such a thing as religious Fachismus, so you can see him here in abundant measure. The Bible used the word "whore" as a metaphor. The dictionaries explain das. And to call someone a whore; even though someone is not; is wrong and bad behavior. My mother would have washed my mouth for it with plain soap.

Your claim to be familiar with dictionaries is a little hard to believe.



Also: tell me how this is metaphorical:

(Leviticus 19:29) "Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a whore; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness."



I think it was your pal Freud who said, "Sometimes a whore is just a whore" or something like that.

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[Dirtbag Nazi Childmolestor (Quarantined)]

Re: My Response

OK, so it's good enough to put in the Bible or any dictionary but it's NOT OK for someone who is Christian to use? Do you understand what I said about Fascism, yet?

Is it to be very painful, ignorant and illiterate, or at least to do so? If there is such a thing as religious Fachismus, so you can see him here in abundant measure. The Bible used the word "whore" as a metaphor. The dictionaries explain das. And to call someone a whore; even though someone is not; is wrong and bad behavior. My mother would have washed my mouth for it with plain soap.